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post #2 of 18 Old Dec 27th, 2010, 10:09 am
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Re: poor riding skills

Owwwww.

This can happen to anyone.. lose your concentration and focus on the wrong thing....wow...

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This can happen to anyone...
While this is certainly true, I still think that guy has no business on the street with a bike. At least, none with any curves.

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Re: poor riding skills

That's not the first time that guard rail has been hit in that exact location. At least he had some gear on.

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Typical rear wheel lock and high-side dump...
Another rider almost hit the crowd that went to help...

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That's not the first time that guard rail has been hit in that exact location. At least he had some gear on.
I noticed that too. At least he walked away from it.

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I get very suspicious of what seems like simple offs on straight forward corners when someone is perched waiting with a camera rolling.
This guy has very poor road position for the corner and definetly has a target fixation moment but take a look at his steering angle while the bike is still going straight. It looks like he has already lost traction at the front and trying to correct before he shits himself and goes for the brakes.
There was a thread on the "other" website showing low-side after low-side on Mullholland with the riders seemingly doing no wrong and an eager bunch of helpers running to the scene the second the bike went down and the whole time someones camera is running catching the lot. I am a conspiracy theorist but the thought of people doing this gets me a little testy.

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Dadicool, couldn't agree more.. A seemingly decent curve becomes slick as ice (seen on other videos). Wouldn't take much, some sand, or water or even a bit of dippity dew. Maybe even a gratuitous booby shot...That's some pretty serious target fixation he had going..just saying..

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I was wondering about the camera just happening to be there myself.
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I get very suspicious of what seems like simple offs on straight forward corners when someone is perched waiting with a camera rolling.
This guy has very poor road position for the corner and definetly has a target fixation moment but take a look at his steering angle while the bike is still going straight. It looks like he has already lost traction at the front and trying to correct before he shits himself and goes for the brakes.
There was a thread on the "other" website showing low-side after low-side on Mullholland with the riders seemingly doing no wrong and an eager bunch of helpers running to the scene the second the bike went down and the whole time someones camera is running catching the lot. I am a conspiracy theorist but the thought of people doing this gets me a little testy.
See this thread, where a rider low sides in front of a parked police officer. See my comments throughout the thread as well.

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I was wondering about the camera just happening to be there myself.
Some locations are notorious for having both still and video cameras that take shots and clips to be sold to the riders. Such places exist on Mulholland hwy in the L.A. area, and the Tail of the Dragon.

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I get very suspicious of what seems like simple offs on straight forward corners when someone is perched waiting with a camera rolling.
This guy has very poor road position for the corner and definetly has a target fixation moment but take a look at his steering angle while the bike is still going straight. It looks like he has already lost traction at the front and trying to correct before he shits himself and goes for the brakes.
Ditto! And then there is the issue of someone with obvious beginner skill tackling curves at speed with other riders. Brings to mind "the pace":

http://micapeak.com/info/thepace.html

Always good reading, even after years, and many miles, of safe, mishap-free riding.

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Ditto! And then there is the issue of someone with obvious beginner skill tackling curves at speed with other riders. Brings to mind "the pace":

http://micapeak.com/info/thepace.html

Always good reading, even after years, and many miles, of safe, mishap-free riding.
I quote "The Pace" often and agree whole heartedly with its philosophy.

I recently got a bad reaction for doing so on another forum when some guys in Europe posted some video of them doing some low altitude flying through some beautiful twisty stuff somewhere there.

They entered every corner form the extreme wrong side of the road and Im talking tight twisties that you could not see around.

Their response was that this was to enhance their view of anything that might have been coming around the corner.

I certainly dont want to have the debate again but they got plenty of support and some barbs too.

The guy in the video posted here was clearly wrongly positioned for the corner and panicked.

All the riding skills in the world wont help though if some tosser with a camera has tossed a bag of silica beads across the road.

I hope this guy realises how lucky he was and gets some lessons. When I see how hard his hip/thigh meets that armco I can almost smell the antiseptic and hear the orthopedic surgeons talking through the drug induced haze.
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Re: poor riding skills

I too, get suspicious of the "just happened to have a camera rolling" on these types of scenes. But whether this was a set up, with or without the rider's knowledge, it's clear he was in the wrong lane position going in and nutted up. Note his body position, bike position, bike angle and head position. "The Pace" is good advice. Target fixation is largely being ruled by your fears. Learning proper technique will give you confidence and the best chance of avoidance or at least minimizing the negative outcomes. Thank God he was wearing protective gear (the difference between walking away and being carried away).

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Classic case of going to fast for conditions/skill (and of course, leaving room for unforseen circumstances like oil on the road.)

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I guess it's always easier to 2nd guess someone after the fact. But once he locked up his brakes he was screwed. I've avoided a few of those situations in my life, by down shifting and putting some power on. Sometimes way on. Doesn't necessarily work in every situation, but did in mine. But then again that technique is not for the faint of heart or the squeamish.

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I guess it's always easier to 2nd guess someone after the fact.....
Actually, I find it easier to slow-down before the fact.

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Actually, I find it easier to slow-down before the fact.
I don't gun any tight turns on unfamiliar roads, unlike the days of my youth. With maybe the exception of a grizzly bear bolting out of the bushes. There's always exceptions.

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