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In some states it is illegal to have helmet speakers, in others ear plugs are illegal!
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Re: Did u know M/C laws vary from state to state?

From the Texas State Laws
Handlebar Height Maximum of 15" above seat - Required by inspection regulations
That would make most of the bikes with "ape hangers" banned here.

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Re: Did u know M/C laws vary from state to state?

Interesting info however at least for Florida a couple of things are out of date;

For example;
Helmet Speakers No Restrictions
The law specifically states;
it is acceptable for - "Any person operating a motorcycle who is using a headset that is installed in a helmet and worn so as to prevent the speakers from making direct contact with the user's ears so that the user can hear surrounding sounds." Therefore ear plugs with integral speakers are not legal.

State Funded Rider Ed Available for all eligible applicants-required under age 21 education. While there is a State administrated Rider Education Program, which uses the MSF BRC materials, it is not "free" as is implied by this statement. It is offered through for profit subcontractors and typically costs around $200 to $250 per student. Beginning in 2008 this schooling is now required for all persons, regardless of age, desiring to obtain a Motorcycle Endorsement on their drivers license. Completing this course qualifies the individual to operate any 2 or 3 wheel vehicle classed as a motorcycle. For those desiring to operate only 3 wheel (trike or sidecar) there is a separate class that results in a 3 wheel only Endorsement. Muffler No person shall modify the exhaust system in such a manner that the noise emitted is above that emitted by the vehicle as originally manufactured. No person shall operate a vehicle with an exhaust system so modified.I guess there must be a whole bunch of V-TWIN bike manufacturers offering bikes for sale with really loud mufflers!

State Insurance Requirements FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY LAW-IT DOES APPLY TO MOTORCYCLES! Florida's No-Fault, or "PIP Law" does not apply to motorcycles. HOWEVER, the Financial Responsibility FR Law applies to ALL motor vehicles in Florida, including motorcycles. ....... This one's interesting. If you read the entire LAW it more or less says that you can register and license a motorcycle without proof of insurance, but if you are involved in a accident, stopped for DUI or a couple of other infractions and can't show proof of insurance you are subject to "some or all of the following: Loss of license/tag and registration, and/or restitution or civil court judgment, and future proof (three years) of high risk, SR22 mandatory liability insurance coverage just to keep your driver license - even if you do not own any motor vehicles." Unfortunately, as a result of this ridiculous law there a a whole bunch of folks out there running around without any insurance. This is especially true of the crotch rocket crowd, most of whom couldn't afford to own a motorcycle if they had to obtain insurance.

Didn't mean to high jack this thread, it's just that some of these issues are high on my list of pet peeves and I felt obligated to share!


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If it were illegal for me to wear ear buds, why is it legal for a deaf person to ride a motorcycle?
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If it were illegal for me to wear ear buds, why is it legal for a deaf person to ride a motorcycle?
That's kinda like the drive through ATM having braille on the pads.

Kinda makes you wonder....

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Attn SmartPhone Users: There are apps that have all of the motorcycle laws per each State.

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Attn SmartPhone Users: There are apps that have all of the motorcycle laws per each State.
I didn't see any in the iTunes Store. I searched under motorcycle. What name(s) of any apps do you know of Joe?

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I didn't see any in the iTunes Store. I searched under motorcycle. What name(s) of any apps do you know of Joe?
bikelaws $0.99
state by state motorcycle laws
an Android app.
don''t know about iphone.

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Thanks Michael, I'll check it out!

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"Did u know M/C laws vary from state to state?"

Are you implying you didn't know?

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Re: Did u know M/C laws vary from state to state?

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"Did u know M/C laws vary from state to state?"

Are you implying you didn't know?
Yeah but . . . not with respect to helmet speakers for my tunes.

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Here's my strategy for getting stopped in states that don't allow tunes. I'll pull out some paper, and write the cop a note saying I'm deaf. If he asks about the tunes, I'll write back that I borrowed the helmet from my son, and had no way of knowing it was playing music. Let him/her prove otherwise
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Here's my strategy for getting stopped in states that don't allow tunes. I'll pull out some paper, and write the cop a note saying I'm deaf. If he asks about the tunes, I'll write back that I borrowed the helmet from my son, and had no way of knowing it was playing music. Let him/her prove otherwise
Until he goes back to his car, turns on the siren and watches you jump!

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Would the "no Speaker restrictions" of your state be accepted in/on the roads of a state that has restrictions? Being as each state i checked accepts the endorsement of every other state.

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When I was registered in Va, they have a no headphones, speakers, earbuds law. However there is a caveat, unless it is part of a rider intercom system. It's my intercom, I just happen to be playing tunes through it.

In Md. it is restricted to a single speaker in the helmet. I doubt the patrolman is going to check that diligently and have never had a problem with it. In fact, I suspect that like the MC inspection in Va, most police officers are oblivious to the laws. A friend of mine was riding in Va for 3 years on an expired inspection sticker and since it is not easy to see, no one ever noticed.

As for deaf people, the laws usually have an exception written that allows deaf people to use a hearing aid. These laws are basically there to keep someone from blasting music in their ears loud enough so that they can't hear traffic etc. So a deaf person wearing a hearing aid would be inline with the law. Honestly, I hear less inside my car, than I do in my helmet with the speakers playing music at a reasonable level.

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When I was registered in Va, they have a no headphones, speakers, earbuds law. However there is a caveat, unless it is part of a rider intercom system. It's my intercom, I just happen to be playing tunes through it.

In Md. it is restricted to a single speaker in the helmet. I doubt the patrolman is going to check that diligently and have never had a problem with it. In fact, I suspect that like the MC inspection in Va, most police officers are oblivious to the laws. A friend of mine was riding in Va for 3 years on an expired inspection sticker and since it is not easy to see, no one ever noticed.

As for deaf people, the laws usually have an exception written that allows deaf people to use a hearing aid. These laws are basically there to keep someone from blasting music in their ears loud enough so that they can't hear traffic etc. So a deaf person wearing a hearing aid would be inline with the law. Honestly, I hear less inside my car, than I do in my helmet with the speakers playing music at a reasonable level.
I believe that the original question was referring to people who are completely deaf and cannot hear anything, yet they are given driving privileges.
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Would the "no Speaker restrictions" of your state be accepted in/on the roads of a state that has restrictions? Being as each state i checked accepts the endorsement of every other state.
I believe that the "endorsement" is just an acknowledgement that you have passed the basic skills and knowledge tests to ride a motorcycle and not applicable to all of the specific laws of each state's highways & byways.

Years ago I was stopped in VA on vacation with my young family because I had one of the original Escort radar detectors on the dash. It was a double stop and the State Trooper came back to my car to explain that they were illegal in VA and he could confiscate it. It had a blown fuse in the cord and wasn't operable anyway which I offered to show him. He asked me to wait while he dealt with the other vehicle.

When he returned he said that his pen was dry of ink (great story!) and in the interest of not having me wait while another office brought him a new pen he decided to issue me a verbal warning as long as I secured the detector in the trunk. I agreed and was on my way.

Suspect that any “stop and discussion” for the bike specific violations would be greeted with a "Tell it to the Judge" response.

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Texas has a weird law about helmets:

"Required by law under age 21. Over age 21, riders are not required to wear a helmet with proof of successful completion of rider training or $10,000 of medical insurance covering injuries resulting from a motorcycle accident "

I actually think the medical insurance part makes sense. You shouldn't be able to decide not to wear a helmet if I am going to have to pay for your medical treatment.

However... I don't get the part about the rider training. Somehow going to rider training makes you ok to not have a helmet? How could you go to training and decide not to wear a helmet?
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$10,000 will only buy you about 3 hours of hospital time here in NJ. Doesn't seem to make any sense.

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Texas has a weird law about helmets:
"Required by law under age 21. Over age 21, riders are not required to wear a helmet with proof of successful completion of rider training or $10,000 of medical insurance covering injuries resulting from a motorcycle accident "

Florida is the same way. It was an ABATE sell-out to get the helmet law repealed...eliminate the "social burden" theorists from resisting the change.

I say "sell out" because it acknowledges the social burden theory and is a slippery slope.
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"Sir, I heard your siren, that's why I stopped. So, since my earplugs don't block out external sound, it's not a violation?"

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