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post #1 of 12 Old Nov 11th, 2010, 9:28 am Thread Starter
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Ethanol Free Gas, Sign This Petition

A fellow on another forum has created the attached petition to submit to the EPA and is trying to get at least 5000 signers, thought I would post it here. www.thepetitionsite.com/1/keep-pure-gas/

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That is a American thing I think, (no disrespect) at a roundabout price of 9 Dollars something for a gallon for petrol Europeans would pee in their tanks if we could only get urine to somehow become flammable.
Can´t say I have a problem with running on ethanol except for the fact that if we have to choose between growing crops for fuel or for food methinks I would choose to make corn into bread and whiskey, eat the bread, drink the booze and try to run my beemer on volatile pee.
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That is a American thing I think, (no disrespect) at a roundabout price of 9 Dollars something for a gallon for petrol Europeans would pee in their tanks if we could only get urine to somehow become flammable.
Can´t say I have a problem with running on ethanol except for the fact that if we have to choose between growing crops for fuel or for food methinks I would choose to make corn into bread and whiskey, eat the bread, drink the booze and try to run my beemer on volatile pee.
Well the problem with ethanol in gas is the negative effect it has on motorcycle and older car engines, and their components.

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From my time in Southamerica I know it reeks a bit strange but no more than full fossils, as far as we are told, by the feddlin german gunmint ethanol is mixed 10% to the fossils and will not harm engines that can run on unleaded 95 or 98 octane.
My beef with the stuff is that it is going to be heavily taxed and sold as the bees knees in "green" fuels, fact is ethanol is actually far more climate damaging than fossils.
Methinks we should really try to develop urine more.
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Ethanol sucks. There's just no way to get around it. Nobody in the government can describe a benefit that relates to the mechanics of how an engine works. They claim it doesn't hurt the engine but what they will not say is that it gives the performance or fuel mileage of pure gas. So we have a fuel that we have to burn more of and get less performance out of our engines.

So the question is, why? The claim is that it reduces our dependance on foreign oil. That's a crock of poop. The real reason is because the US government is giving huge subsidies to corn farmers to make this crap. The farmers think this is wonderful and are pushing for more of this shite to be put into our tanks.

Arrrgggghhh!!!!
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Ethanol sucks. There's just no way to get around it. Nobody in the government can describe a benefit that relates to the mechanics of how an engine works. They claim it doesn't hurt the engine but what they will not say is that it gives the performance or fuel mileage of pure gas. So we have a fuel that we have to burn more of and get less performance out of our engines.

So the question is, why? The claim is that it reduces our dependance on foreign oil. That's a crock of poop. The real reason is because the US government is giving huge subsidies to corn farmers to make this crap. The farmers think this is wonderful and are pushing for more of this shite to be put into our tanks.

Arrrgggghhh!!!!
Agreed and feel your frustration.

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Ethanol sucks. There's just no way to get around it. Nobody in the government can describe a benefit that relates to the mechanics of how an engine works. They claim it doesn't hurt the engine but what they will not say is that it gives the performance or fuel mileage of pure gas. So we have a fuel that we have to burn more of and get less performance out of our engines.

So the question is, why? The claim is that it reduces our dependance on foreign oil. That's a crock of poop. The real reason is because the US government is giving huge subsidies to corn farmers to make this crap. The farmers think this is wonderful and are pushing for more of this shite to be put into our tanks.

Arrrgggghhh!!!!
Correct, not only that, vast swaths of land is being cleared for the production of oil-crops especially in south america and south east asia.

The problem is that humans need to burn things for energy, we have been doing this since Ugg the caveman banged rocks and burned cow-pats, even nuclear power is burning metal to generate power.
There is no other source of energy on the planet with the same energy density as fossil oil.
Above oil you have Hydrogen but 'H' has to be manufactured so therefor it is a energy carrier not an energy source.
Above H it gets nuclear and even though a nuclear powered BMW would be cool I don't think I would want ionizing radiation near my family jewels.
Sooo once oil runs out and it will soon, the only other option is pee.
I am following the production of fuel oil by algae with interest that would at least let our species decline gracefully.
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Corn gas has a shelf life of about 2 or 3 months. I have to dump it out of my boat every Spring because no matter what you put in it, it stinks to high heaven and looks like you added milk instead of Sta Bil. I ride year round. I can't imagine letting that junk sit in my motorcyle over the winter............

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Ethanol sucks. There's just no way to get around it. Nobody in the government can describe a benefit that relates to the mechanics of how an engine works. They claim it doesn't hurt the engine but what they will not say is that it gives the performance or fuel mileage of pure gas. So we have a fuel that we have to burn more of and get less performance out of our engines.

So the question is, why? The claim is that it reduces our dependance on foreign oil. That's a crock of poop. The real reason is because the US government is giving huge subsidies to corn farmers to make this crap. The farmers think this is wonderful and are pushing for more of this shite to be put into our tanks.

Arrrgggghhh!!!!
I attribute much of this to the fact that the Iowa Caucus runs first during the Presidential primary season, giving Iowa undo (and unfair) influence. The attempts by various states to adjust their primary dates in 2008 and subsequent threats by New Hampshire and Iowa to move theirs into 2007 (!!) were almost laughable, if it hadn't been so sad.
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From my time in Southamerica I know it reeks a bit strange but no more than full fossils, as far as we are told, by the feddlin german gunmint ethanol is mixed 10% to the fossils and will not harm engines that can run on unleaded 95 or 98 octane..
Unfortunately the highest octane we can find in Southern California is 91... Other areas are lucky to have 93.

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It is my experience that online petitions rarely have an effect.
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E-Mail Tracker Programs -- very interesting and a must read:

The man that sent this information is a computer tech. He spends a lot of time clearing the junk off computers for people and listens to complaints about speed. All forwards are not bad, just some.

He wrote: By now, I suspect everyone is familiar with snopes.com and/or truthorfiction.com for determining whether information received via email is just that: true/false or fact/fiction. Both are excellent sites

Advice from snopes.com

Any time you see an email that says "forward this on to '10' (or however many) of your friends", "sign this petition," or "you'll get bad luck" or "you'll get good luck" or "you'll see something funny on your screen after you send it" or whatever -- it almost always has an email tracker program attached that tracks the cookies and emails of those folks you forward to. The host sender is getting a copy each time it gets forwarded and then is able to get lists of 'active' email addresses to use in SPAM emails or sell to other spammers. Even when you get emails that demand you send the email on if you're not ashamed of God/Jesus -- that is email tracking, and they are playing on our conscience. These people don't care how they get your email addresses - just as long as they get them. Also, emails that talk about a missing child or a child with an incurable disease "how would you feel if that was your child" – more email tracking. Ignore them and don't participate.

Almost all emails that ask you to add your name and forward on to others are similar to that mass letter years ago that asked people to send business cards to the little kid in Florida who wanted to break the Guinness Book of Records for the most cards. All it was, and all any of this type of email is, is a way to get names and 'cookie' tracking information for telemarketers and spammers -- to validate active email accounts for their own profitable purposes.

You can do your Friends and Family members a GREAT favor by sending this information to them. You will be providing a service to your friends. And you will be rewarded by not getting thousands of spam emails in the future!

Do yourself a favor and STOP adding your name to those types of listing regardless how inviting they might sound. Or try to make you feel guilty if you don't. It's all about getting email addresses and nothing more.

You may think you are supporting a GREAT cause, but you are NOT!

Instead, you will be getting tons of junk mail later and very possibly a virus attached! Plus, we are helping the spammers get rich. Let's not make it easy for them.

ALSO: Email petitions are NOT acceptable to Congress of any other organization - i.e. social security, etc. To be acceptable, petitions must have a “signed signature" and full address of the person signing the petition, so this is a waste of time and you are just helping the email trackers.

Tips for Handling Telemarketers
Three Little Words That Work!!
The three little words are: 'Hold On, Please...'
Saying this, while putting down your phone and walking off (instead of hanging-up immediately) would make each telemarketing call so much more time-consuming that boiler room sales would grind to a halt.

Then when you eventually hear the phone company's 'beep-beep-beep' tone, you know it's time to go back and hang up your handset, which has efficiently completed its task.

These three little words will help you eliminate telephone soliciting.

Do you ever get those annoying phone calls with no one on the other end?

This is a telemarketing technique where a machine makes phone calls and records the time of day when a person answers the phone. This technique is used to determine the best time of day for a 'real' sales person to call back and get someone at home.

What you can do after answering, if you notice there is no one there, is to immediately start hitting your # button on the phone, 6 or 7 times as quickly as possible. This confuses the machine that dialed the call, and it kicks your number out of their system. Gosh, what a shame not to have your name in their system any longer….

Junk Mail Help:
When you get 'ads' enclosed with your phone or utility bill, return these 'ads' with your payment. Let the sending companies throw their own junk mail away.

When you get those 'pre-approved' letters in the mail for everything from credit cards to 2nd mortgages and similar type junk, do not throw away the return envelope. Most of these come with postage-paid return envelopes, right? It costs them more than the regular 44 cents postage, when they receive them back.
It costs them nothing if you throw them away. The postage was around 50 cents before the last increase and it is according to the weight. In that case, why not get rid of some of your other junk mail and put it in these cool little, postage-paid return envelopes.

One of Andy Rooney 's (60 minutes) ideas.

Send an ad for your local chimney cleaner to American Express. Send a pizza coupon to Citibank. If you didn't get anything else that day, then just send them their blank application back!
If you want to remain anonymous, just make sure your name isn't on anything you send them.

You can even send the envelope back empty if you want to just to keep them guessing! It still costs them 44 cents.

The banks and credit card companies are currently getting a lot of their own junk back in the mail, but we need to OVERWHELM them. Let's let them know what it's like to get lots of junk mail, and best of all they're paying for it... twice!

Let's help keep our postal service busy since they are saying that e-mail is cutting into their business profits, and that's why they need to increase postage costs again. You get the idea.

THIS JUST MIGHT BE ONE E-MAIL THAT YOU WILL WANT TO FORWARD TO YOUR FRIENDS.
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