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Yup

Guess Guvamint Motors will "comply"... Who said we were "paranoid"...?

Uuhhhmm... Yeah.

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Paul..........I don't know about you but I'm thinking of investing in Methanol, just to increase the octane value.................geez..........just when I was getting used to some of this silly sh*t.............



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So there will be another tank & pump?????

"The Obama administration will grant a request from ethanol producers to permit higher concentrations of the corn-based fuel additive in gasoline for vehicles made in 2007 and later, according to a person familiar with the decision."

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The lab boys at work have been testing the local "gas" and some have been up 16% already ,and you can see the MPG decrease 2 -3 lower in the F150 and about the same for the LT even tho they say it is not required that high octane gas be "stepped on with alcohol "
If they say we have to add "corn liquor" then regulate it , test it and require the pump to be marked with the % mix , or the BTU content per gallon . What else can you buy with so little consumer information than auto gasoline ?

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Boy, them corn lobby folks been workin' it, haven't they??

Oh wait - lobbying isn't permitted any longer!!

Dang, I think I'm cornfuzed again!!
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The lab boys at work have been testing the local "gas" and some have been up 16% already ,and you can see the MPG decrease 2 -3 lower in the F150 and about the same for the LT even tho they say it is not required that high octane gas be "stepped on with alcohol "
If they say we have to add "corn liquor" then regulate it , test it and require the pump to be marked with the % mix , or the BTU content per gallon . What else can you buy with so little consumer information than auto gasoline ?

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I have often wondered how they keep the mix from seperating while it is in the storage tanks. Could this possibly play a part in the % mixture being different from day to day.

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that the EPA has given in to the corn lobby and will allow an increase from 10% to 15% ethanol in gasoline. Stations will be required to inform and post at the pump the increase. They said the greatest negative impact will be felt in smaller engines fuel lines and seals. What impact will this have on our rides? and any known preventive fixes???

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The C-Store near us sells non ethanol gas. Kind of hard to find...
I filled our motorhome there last week and drove to the UP. Checked mileage-a whopping 8.4.
Of course conditions are a factor but we usually get 6.8-7.2. So I'm looking at a +-20%difference.
Production costs being what they are too, ethanol is a scary scam.

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It could be time to research how much 'Marvel Mystery' oil to add to the tank...........may have to consider investing in that.............hm-m-m-m-m.................



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First of all, wrong forum. Secondly this is voluntary from what I understand and most gas station owners don't plan to offer it at all.
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First of all, wrong forum. Secondly this is voluntary from what I understand and most gas station owners don't plan to offer it at all.
Yeah, I was suprised to see this here, but last weekend I pulled up to a pump in Lena, IL. Only two options were 25% ethanol premium and 15% ethanol regular. I went with the regular since it was a cool day and the least harmful option. I was running low and knew I'd only be on backroads for a long while.

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I have often wondered how they keep the mix from seperating while it is in the storage tanks. Could this possibly play a part in the % mixture being different from day to day.

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Roy,

Do you know about the gas station on the southeast side of Lina, IL that has 25% ethanol in their premium? The regular was posted at 15%. If I had noticed before everything was shutdown and ready to pump, I would have kept on going to the next station on the northwest side (about 3 blocks away in this little town).

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Not only sh***y gas, but just wait and see how much higher this drives all food prices. Corn feeds a lot of livestock. Instead of putting corn feed into cows, pork, and poultry, we're putting it into out gas tanks.

Then it won't be "fair" that some people can't buy food...

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shouldn't this thread be in a different category other?

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We grow so much corn we could be making TP out of it and not have a shortage...

If they want to sell Alcohol as motor fuel. Then sell it 100%. Build cars that will run off of Alcohol and everybody will be happy...We're not talking about a massive technology change..
Just some better gaskets and fuel lines and a little different timing and off you go..

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Wrong.

There are plenty of hidden costs of corn-based ethanol production. The corollary is that the amount of domestic arable land that can be devoted to corn is limited. As the demand pull for corn accelerates (livestock feed vs. ethanol raw material), the price of corn will continue to advance - supply and demand. this will lead to deteriorating economics of ethanol production and higher costs for food based on poultry, swine, and cattle.

The less corn available for feed, means that which is available for feed will be more expensive. Period.

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Ironically, I just took my nearly new Shindiawa String Trimmer into the dealer today because it was running so lousy. The service department said they have seen a number of carb problems in small engines due to ethanol and will probably have to dismantle and overhaul the carb.

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Ironically, I just took my nearly new Shindiawa String Trimmer into the dealer today because it was running so lousy. The service department said they have seen a number of carb problems in small engines due to ethanol and will probably have to dismantle and overhaul the carb.
I work on small motors, as long as people use gasoline with ethonol in the small motors I and others who work on small motors will have job security. Find a gas station that sells pure gasoline ( http://pure-gas.org/ ) for use in the small engines.

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Ironically enough, it takes a considerable sum of natural gas in the production of corn based ethanol...........I still don't understand how this product can be 'more energy efficient'........$00.02..............



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First of all, wrong forum. Secondly this is voluntary from what I understand and most gas station owners don't plan to offer it at all.
already asked for forgiveness, but I am wondering are the service stations able or even willing to test the the % of the mix. Can we trust that the sticker on the pump reflects what is really in the tank?

Preferring to be proactive instead of reactive, I am wondering is there an additive, or fuel line change, QD change, or any other measures to take.

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I work on small motors, as long as people use gasoline with ethonol in the small motors I and others who work on small motors will have job security. Find a gas station that sells pure gasoline ( http://pure-gas.org/ ) for use in the small engines.
Thanks for the tip! I used the web site and found a station close to my home. I will definitely begin buying the gas for my small motors from that store.

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I work on small motors, as long as people use gasoline with ethonol in the small motors I and others who work on small motors will have job security. Find a gas station that sells pure gasoline ( http://pure-gas.org/ ) for use in the small engines.
I used the web site, and they don't list anything in my state (CA). The nearest border is Mexico, over 100 miles away. It is hard to know what is in their fuel, but I doubt it has ethanol.
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First of all, wrong forum. Secondly this is voluntary from what I understand and most gas station owners don't plan to offer it at all.
I have every confidence that the drivers test the loaded product, and the service stations will have their little test kits to test the product when it is delivered.


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"The plan to allow increased ethanol levels was reported late yesterday by the Wall Street Journal.

Raising the “blend ratio” will increase demand. By law, the U.S. must use 12 billion gallons of renewable fuels such as ethanol next year, up from 10.5 billion in 2009, and use 15 billion gallons by 2015."

That "by law" part says to me that the ethanol will be going someplace.

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This was probably done just pre-election by the EPA as a sop to the farm lobby. Ethanol is in surplus supply as it is not competitive on an energy/dollar basis. The price is maintained in the US with a 50 cents/gallon import duty. Otherwise ethanol would be cheaper imported from elsewhere like Brazil etc.

If you were lucky or had inside political connections, you bought Archer Daniels Midland stock (ADM) before the announcement. Otherwise, the ethanol producers were failing or going bankrupt due to lack of demand. See today's Wall Street Journal editorial page for more on this.

We'll all just have to wait it out until the voters out what it is doing to us.

Actually a small amount of water can be mixed with an unknown gas mix to monitor the amount or even remove the ethanol, although this compromises the octane of what's left. Aircraft users have been checking for the prohibited stuff for years this way. Ethanol in aircraft fuel is a very strong no-no - and for good reason. Tank truck drivers do not verify fuel - even for aircraft useage. We just locally had an incident of a certified load of aircraft fuel that was still loaded with ethanol. A friend almost put his Cessna 140 into Lake Superior over this darn stuff. His fuel tested only 5% ethanol but his fuel line had swelled nearly shut

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Re: U.S. Said to Allow Rise in Ethanol Content in Gasoline Blends Up to 15%

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Ironically enough, it takes a considerable sum of natural gas in the production of corn based ethanol...........I still don't understand how this product can be 'more energy efficient'........$00.02..............
I think the answer may be in "energy efficient"..........for who ?
Adding 15% ethanol essentially increases you fuel (gasoline) reserves by 15% at the same time increasing consumption of the overall product by a % related to mpg lost...............

Auto manufacturers can always blame any engine failure on "you've been putting ethanol in here." Forget that you have no choice.........................

I've found a station that proudly sells gasoline with "no ethanol" and have copied the above site for on the road purchases....................................

I believe as these stations do more business and ethanol station do less, someone may start thinking.......or not.

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