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Tinfoil hat or real concern?

So called protection from under-seat EM fields reduces risk of cancer. I personally think this is bogus. What do you say? Any studies on the rate of prostate cancer in bikers vs general public?

http://www.gizmag.com/seat-shield-re...cyclists/9149/

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Re: Tinfoil hat or real concern?

Don't you mean tin foil underpants!

been wearing mine for years, and have my helmet lined with tin foil too.

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Re: Tinfoil hat or real concern?

Some of the assumptions in the article as bogus such as "“ELF EMF magnetic fields penetrate through all conventional metals. Only highly processed material can dramatically shield us from these cancer controversial forces."

If you are really concerned I'd discard the hat and line your undies with highly processed material whatever that maybe.

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Oh goody, yet one more thing to worry about. I can here it now, 'my (insert friend, relative, etc) got cancer from riding one of those motorcycles then (he, she) was killed riding the darn thing to a doctors appointment.
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Some of the assumptions in the article as bogus such as "“ELF EMF magnetic fields penetrate through all conventional metals. Only highly processed material can dramatically shield us from these cancer controversial forces."

If you are really concerned I'd discard the hat and line your undies with highly processed material whatever that maybe.

I'm guessing the highly processed material would be depleted uranium. It's fairly safe as long as you don't lick it. We know LT riders aren't seat lickers.

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Ohh, man there for a moment I thought I was in the humor section.

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Re: Tinfoil hat or real concern?

Veering only slightly off-topic (hey, you started it ) I was going to make a remark about highly-processed materials and underwear, but then I thought better of it. Ugh.


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So called protection from under-seat EM fields reduces risk of cancer. I personally think this is bogus. What do you say? Any studies on the rate of prostate cancer in bikers vs general public?

http://www.gizmag.com/seat-shield-re...cyclists/9149/
Here is the kicker: You CANNOT protect yourself from the LF and ELF fields. While the inventor is correct that there are some small EM fields being emitted from all the wires in the motorcycle, the very nature of their LF end ELF makes it almost impossible to protect from them. Thats e.g the reason why atomic clock uses LF radiowaves. Because with very little power they reach our very far AND they follow the curvature of the earth instead like 'normal' radiowaves would behave and go straight. Extremely low frequencies and extremely high frequencies all the same behave much more like water. Extremely high frequencies behave like water under high pressure and low frequencies behave like water under low pressure. Now ask yourself: Would a simple pate be able to protect you from getting wet? No, it would not, it would just prevent that you get the water directly, instead it disperses it and you get the backsplatter, and undirected wetness, but are just as wet afterwards.

I know what some of the proponents will say: There is a reduction of water high behind(above) such a device and while technically correct, just the act of riding a motorcycle while not being protected by a full Faraday cage will put MUCH (like thousends of times) more EM 'stress' on your body, because technically you are a conductor moving through static fieldlines and thus inducing electricity.

The bottom line: While the inventor may have a rudimentary grasp of EM fields THIS device is completely bogus.
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I was just going to say that Andy................
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Here is the kicker: You CANNOT protect yourself from the LF and ELF fields. While the inventor is correct that there are some small EM fields being emitted from all the wires in the motorcycle, the very nature of their LF end ELF makes it almost impossible to protect from them. Thats e.g the reason why atomic clock uses LF radiowaves. Because with very little power they reach our very far AND they follow the curvature of the earth instead like 'normal' radiowaves would behave and go straight. . .
The bottom line: While the inventor may have a rudimentary grasp of EM fields THIS device is completely bogus.
Andy, sorry to disagree but the info from NIST Atomic clock is broadcast world wide from two locations:WWV- Ft. Collins, CO and WWVH from Kauai Hawaii . Both stations transmit on multiple frequencies with up to 10,000 watts of power but they are all considered short-wave and use the charged ionosphere as a faux mirror to bounce the signals back to earth. This may occur many times and is called multiple skip. There is some ground wave involved with short-wave transmissions which are similar to the AM radio broadcasts but a majority of the power does go into space and returns to earth.

ELF radio waves (radiation) are truly low frequency and follow the curvature of the earth. These frequencies are used to communicate with submerged submarines to some limited extent based on depth and other ocean transients.

The real danger is really related to very high power, low frequency magnetic radiation that can be emitted from high voltage transmission lines and/or RF sources within close proximity.

There have been many studies done relative to cell phone use and the potential of developing brain or skin tumors. These phones transmit at the micro or milliwatt level based on the distance to the cell tower. These systems work at the UHF and microwave portions of the RF spectrum. At the low power levels of our cells phones there have been no definitive correlation studies that these devices can cause cancer.

HOWEVER, I would not recommend spending too much time in front of a RADAR antenna or at the Seafarer ELF sites in Michigan and Wisconsin!

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My apologies, I did not know that the US actually really uses short wave. The European atomic clock signals run at 60KHz and 77KHz, which are by now means short wave and they transmit at much lower power levels.(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DCF77)


Anyway, with the exception regarding US atomic clock signals my comments still stand.
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My apologies, I did not know that the US actually really uses short wave. The European atomic clock signals run at 60KHz and 77KHz, which are by now means short wave and they transmit at much lower power levels.(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DCF77)


Anyway, with the exception regarding US atomic clock signals my comments still stand.
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Meanwhile,.. overheating of the danglies, poor seat padding and long-term effects of local vibration (not such an issue on BMWs, really) are far bigger concerns.

Then again, there was the lady biker who worked for BNFL (British Nuclear Fuels Limited), or similar, who attached 'Radiation Hazard' stickers to her alarm system to warn of a good testicular frying for any potential thieves...

Totally off topic, but hey...

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