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Possible Lane Splitting in AZ?

Looks like AZ has a chance of becoming enlightened. (At least Maricopa County)

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Re: Possible Lane Splitting in AZ?

Living in Ohio, lane-splitting is ... umm ... "illegal". (Quotes for comedic value.) I so looked forward to lane-splitting when I toured Cali. Once there, I acclimated quickly and found it to be so natural that it is simply absurd that no other State (that I'm aware of) allows this.

Can't wait to legally lane-split in May with the Cambria Klan.
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Re: Possible Lane Splitting in AZ?

Never living in a state that allows it, or riding in a state that allows it I am not sure about it.

I know here in Pennsatucky it would take years for even a small group of drivers to get use to it. It would be very scary for me based on driving in this, and surrounding states over the last 34 years. I mean Philly would be crazy, Baltimore hysterical, DC and Alexandria I would need to wear depends.

I know it would not work with the LT around here. I would really be afraid of someone getting pissed and closing up on you, or someone who is in gridlock decides to read the paper or some woman getting their face on for happy hour and drift over.

I hear it works in CA ,and have heard comments from European riders on here about it.

However, I have gone down a shoulder or two in my day. Which of course is illegal but I have never had any hassles doing it.

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I did involuntary lane splitting in St Louis. I was in the third lane next to someone in the fourth lane. Lane one and two both open. Lady gets on the highway and moves directly into the third lane. Gretchen is taking a deep breath (gotta love the Baehr intercom always on feature) and I'm mirror to mirror with the guy next to me. Twisted the throttle and got the heck outta there before either of them knew what happened.

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I hear it works in CA ,and have heard comments from European riders on here about it.

However, I have gone down a shoulder or two in my day. Which of course is illegal but I have never had any hassles doing it.
I did it daily for 4 years when I lived in CA. I moved to CA from SC, so when I first got to CA (long before I got the bike) I thought the motorcycle riders were absolutely nuts. Then I got an LT, sat in traffic for a few days watching other riders stream by me, and decided one day to try it, and pulled in behind a couple other riders. Took me about 3 days to decide it was far safer than I ever had thought it would be, and rapidly became an old hand at it. The LT handles lane splitting just fine, especially on the newer highways with wider lanes. A couple of the old roads I rode on would get your heart rate up though.

You are correct though, to do it where it is not legal would be asking for it, as the drivers would get pissed right away. And if any state changed their attitudes about it it would years to get drivers accustomed to it before it would become as safe as CA, even if legalized. It is quite safe in CA only because it has been done for decades and the drivers are completely used to it now. I did get where I watched for out of state tags though, those were the drivers you had to watch for!

Shoulder riding in CA will get you a ticket very quickly! That is VERY illegal, and will catch the eye of a LEO from a mile away.

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I hope the bill will pass. If all riders were to write or call their elected officials this might be the push neded to make it happen.
I wish the AMA would push that issue as well, but they seem more dedicated to protect the right to ride without a helmet...
Maybe some day the US will catch up with the rest of the developed nations and allow lane splitting at the national level.

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Looks like AZ has a chance of becoming enlightened. (At least Maricopa County)

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/03/27/t...splitting-may/
I figured in Arizona it would be REQUIRED!

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Agree, legalize!! Way overdue, especially in that heat.

But watch out for the silver bullets, wow.....hope I can change 3 lanes that fast on a dime when I'm that old!! (notice I said that)
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Re: Possible Lane Splitting in AZ?

I-81 from Harrisburg, PA to the VA line gets a ton of traffic; 1 out of every 4 vehicles is an 18 wheeler. That also includes additional routes such as I-83, I-78 and the Turnpike. Lane splitting offers no escape route other than to wonder if there's some Hellman's mayo in your topcase for your becoming a sandwich. And that's my two cents.

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I feel much safer splitting between semi's....those are typically professional drivers so I trust them more. Plus you have what, 70 feet of protection from everything except the...truck!

you'll sit for days behind trucks climbing these big hills/mountains out west, I've passed 200 cars in the left lane who are waiting for the truck to move over (when they are passing another truck), scootch right on thru between the trucks and its clear sailing for miles!!
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I feel much safer splitting between semi's....those are typically professional drivers so I trust them more.
+1 During my cross-country trips I have seen driving courtesy and professionalism from truck drivers and felt a lot safer with them around than I was with mini-vans and SUVs hogging the fast lane for no reason.
I give truckers the latitude and distance when they pass other trucks, knowing it will take them a bit to complete their maneuver, and sometimes I also use their trucks to shield me from strong winds (in NM and AZ).
With that said I feel comfortable splitting lanes between trucks in CA, and most truckers will actually move out a little to give you a bit more clearance.
I think in time more states will allow lane splitting, maybe in exchange for passing helmet laws.

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Re: Possible Lane Splitting in AZ?

It is cool to hear all who have done and do it.

My biggest point is that the car driver education, and natural instinct would take years to develop in areas like mine. I would follow in CA if I was able, you know when in Rome and all that. However I would never trust it here in Pennsatucky, maybe a decade or two after it is enacted.

And as far as truckers I roll with them if I get the chance. They put too many miles on and see a lot, so if I am in doubt I roll with them. I also trust them holding a lane more then the average car/suv driver. I can say if you respect them, car or bike, they are very good to you on the road.

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No worries about natural or intentional instincts in CA.....

Cagers need to remember there are bike cops here that split...

Had a cage run to the line to block a split when I had another biker that had come up behind me.

So I waited then split..well guess who was behind me Mr. Biker CHP!!!

That guy slowed next to the cage, pointed at the driver and said something.....oh yeah, driver saved us a little space after that.

Ain't the first time something like that has happened, the CHP really watches out for bikers in my opinion, maybe cause they are bikers too.
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I-81 from Harrisburg, PA to the VA line gets a ton of traffic; 1 out of every 4 vehicles is an 18 wheeler. That also includes additional routes such as I-83, I-78 and the Turnpike. Lane splitting offers no escape route other than to wonder if there's some Hellman's mayo in your topcase for your becoming a sandwich. And that's my two cents.
The choice to lane split is yours. If you aren't comfortable with the given conditions stay put. As a Californian, it's just part of the ride but there are times I won't do it. While I avoid going between trucks (not because of the truckers but the rather long time I have to go with no other options or escape routes) it's the cagers who can't stay centered in their lane that scare me.
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I have no disparaging remarks for truckers, only respect. The fact that if one passes me, he will inevitably pull far enough ahead of me before he cuts back so I don't hit the turbulence from his rig; that says it all.

I agree, it's my choice to split or not to split (Provided I am in a state that allows it). What I consider is the fact that I am in a multi-lane highway with other car drivers operating HUA (Head Up Arse). If said operator makes a move that endangers the trucker by merging too soon or cutting across lanes to get to an exit, from the trucker's point of view, I'm an expendable object. The fact that I can only see what's ahead or behind ramps up the surprise factor and I, personally, do not like highway surprises.

Lane splitting between cars is a different story.

Okay, I'm now up to four cents.

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It is cool to hear all who have done and do it.

My biggest point is that the car driver education, and natural instinct would take years to develop in areas like mine. I would follow in CA if I was able, you know when in Rome and all that. However I would never trust it here in Pennsatucky, maybe a decade or two after it is enacted.

And as far as truckers I roll with them if I get the chance. They put too many miles on and see a lot, so if I am in doubt I roll with them. I also trust them holding a lane more then the average car/suv driver. I can say if you respect them, car or bike, they are very good to you on the road.
Here in Georgia (as I assume a lot of other states) the major issue would be diver education on the non motorcycle riding drivers. Even on a police motorcycle I was hesitant to do it because of the driving acrobatics of car drivers. And I wouldn't even turn on the front blue lights to do it, because that confused them even more!

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