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I am seriously thinking of opening a BBQ joint / motorcyclist meca. But I need outside opinions. I am getting a great deal on a 20000 sq ft building. thats a lot of space to play!

To that end I created a very short 10 question survey. Is there a niche here?

Thank you so much for you help!

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Bikers and food? It'll never work.

Survey taken... I wish you all the best.
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Independent retail food biz has over a 75% failure rate in the first 5 years.
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I hope some day we can check it out.
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Filled it out and good luck.

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I am seriously thinking of opening a BBQ joint / motorcyclist meca. But I need outside opinions. I am getting a great deal on a 20000 sq ft building. thats a lot of space to play!

To that end I created a very short 10 question survey. Is there a niche here?

Thank you so much for you help!

Short Survey!
WOW! Food, drink, major repairs, pro shop? Holy shit! The investment you're talking about--in this economy--amazing! What else can I do? Best of luck to you!

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Sounds like a great idea/location. Best of luck to you!

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Filled out survey, good luck. Having been in the restaurant business for 20 years, I don't envy you the work involved, or the cost to set up, keep us informed, would love to stop in if and when it is going.


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Did the survey and wish you all the best if you move forward................................

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Re: I can really use your input

Input offered. This looks like a great idea with a mechanical shop as part of the plan. I offered a suggestion to also have a bike wash on site, and offer a "Wash and BBQ" special on Saturdays...

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Took Survey...Sounds like you're going through the right steps to gage market first.

Sounds a little like the Harley Dealers. Maybe you could "piggy back" on the "experience".

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If there are a handful of M/C clubs, I think it would make a good place to provide a monthly meeting for the different groups.
Good luck.

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It'll only work if you have BLUES MUSIC pumping out 24/7! BBQ & BLUES.

Good luck. And tolerate NO BS FROM ANYONE!!!!

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It will only work if you offer Eastern N.C. style BBQ. THERE IS NO SUBSTITUTE!

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When I ride with my Harley friends we always have to go by the dealership to have something repaired or looked at on one of their bikes. It would be nice to have a place such as this for them to take their bikes while I eat and watch TV. Of course if it were a BMW dealership it would even be better.
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Took the survey, best of luck to you.
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post #17 of 24 Old Mar 30th, 2010, 10:37 am
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I hope it succeeds, and wish everyone involved the best of luck. It is a great concept, and motorcyclists everywhere will enjoy having a place like this.

I hate to rain on everyone's parade, but do you really think this concept will succeed as a business? I will step up and offer a contrary perspective. For the record, I am usually wrong about such things, so take it for what it's worth:

* Higher startup costs compared with a single focused business.

* Higher overhead due to all the "extras" - meeting space, displays, etc. The business will experience higher than average costs for floorspace, utilities, cleaning, maintenance, security, etc. including the costs of extra personnel required. They have to make up those costs in additional revenue from the restaurant, service, and merchandise sales.

They are betting that there is a synergy in combining the various "unrelated" services, so that there will be a continual, long term, high volume influx of paying customers that will feed all of the business areas as well as if they had equivalent freestanding businesses. If one business area does poorly, its associated losses may induce problems on the whole. In fairness, they also get some savings from combining operations (payroll, accounting, etc.). There is also the chance that one of the business areas is so wildly successful and profitable that it can sustain the lower performing areas. It is equally possible that one area's business success depends on the customers attracted by a losing (read: parasitic) area of the business. Even though they are lower performing, they may be essential for bringing in customers to the higher profit areas of the operation.

* The target demographic is aging. Unless you can ensure that a growing number of young riders are eager to make frequent visits and spend money, the business is doomed to decline slowly.

* They are starting out in Ohio, where there is a long off-season for riders. I suspect there will be a significant seasonal variation in business levels, compared with parts of the country that offer year-round riding. Can the business sustain itself when maintenance and other related activities are low?

* Etc.

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I hope it succeeds, and wish everyone involved the best of luck. It is a great concept, and motorcyclists everywhere will enjoy having a place like this.

I hate to rain on everyone's parade, but do you really think this concept will succeed as a business? I will step up and offer a contrary perspective. For the record, I am usually wrong about such things, so take it for what it's worth:

* Higher startup costs compared with a single focused business.

* Higher overhead due to all the "extras" - meeting space, displays, etc. The business will experience higher than average costs for floorspace, utilities, cleaning, maintenance, security, etc. including the costs of extra personnel required. They have to make up those costs in additional revenue from the restaurant, service, and merchandise sales.

They are betting that there is a synergy in combining the various "unrelated" services, so that there will be a continual, long term, high volume influx of paying customers that will feed all of the business areas as well as if they had equivalent freestanding businesses. If one business area does poorly, its associated losses may induce problems on the whole. In fairness, they also get some savings from combining operations (payroll, accounting, etc.). There is also the chance that one of the business areas is so wildly successful and profitable that it can sustain the lower performing areas. It is equally possible that one area's business success depends on the customers attracted by a losing (read: parasitic) area of the business. Even though they are lower performing, they may be essential for bringing in customers to the higher profit areas of the operation.

* The target demographic is aging. Unless you can ensure that a growing number of young riders are eager to make frequent visits and spend money, the business is doomed to decline slowly.

* They are starting out in Ohio, where there is a long off-season for riders. I suspect there will be a significant seasonal variation in business levels, compared with parts of the country that offer year-round riding. Can the business sustain itself when maintenance and other related activities are low?

* Etc.

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I think all these are valid points and needed to be brought up. Many small businesses fail also due to being under-capitalized, a notion that escapes new business owners with little experience and big hopes.

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I think all these are valid points and needed to be brought up. Many small businesses fail also due to being under-capitalized, a notion that escapes new business owners with little experience and big hopes.
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I hope it succeeds, and wish everyone involved the best of luck. It is a great concept, and motorcyclists everywhere will enjoy having a place like this.

I hate to rain on everyone's parade, but do you really think this concept will succeed as a business? I will step up and offer a contrary perspective. For the record, I am usually wrong about such things, so take it for what it's worth:

* Higher startup costs compared with a single focused business.

* Higher overhead due to all the "extras" - meeting space, displays, etc. The business will experience higher than average costs for floorspace, utilities, cleaning, maintenance, security, etc. including the costs of extra personnel required. They have to make up those costs in additional revenue from the restaurant, service, and merchandise sales.

They are betting that there is a synergy in combining the various "unrelated" services, so that there will be a continual, long term, high volume influx of paying customers that will feed all of the business areas as well as if they had equivalent freestanding businesses. If one business area does poorly, its associated losses may induce problems on the whole. In fairness, they also get some savings from combining operations (payroll, accounting, etc.). There is also the chance that one of the business areas is so wildly successful and profitable that it can sustain the lower performing areas. It is equally possible that one area's business success depends on the customers attracted by a losing (read: parasitic) area of the business. Even though they are lower performing, they may be essential for bringing in customers to the higher profit areas of the operation.

* The target demographic is aging. Unless you can ensure that a growing number of young riders are eager to make frequent visits and spend money, the business is doomed to decline slowly.

* They are starting out in Ohio, where there is a long off-season for riders. I suspect there will be a significant seasonal variation in business levels, compared with parts of the country that offer year-round riding. Can the business sustain itself when maintenance and other related activities are low?

* Etc.

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All very valid points, and not far off from some of the comments I made when I took the survey. I kind of like the idea, but I do think bringing it to reality would be very difficult and long term viability would be a serious challenge.

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You've got some great ideas. Good luck.
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Good luck with making the best business decision. An excellent well managed restaurant will survive, so will a quality motorcycle service center provided they have enough traffic. Location, location, location. You don't want people to have to look for you, they need to trip over you. Be where they are. Don't hope they come find you.

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post #23 of 24 Old Mar 31st, 2010, 2:45 pm
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I love the concept, but like others, I question the viability. If it is going to work, I have a few suggestions. Yes, I took the survey but my Internet connection bombed as I hit send so I don't know if it went.

Gear: A good gear store is hard to find. People will pay more if they can try it on first. Its also very expensive to stock, but if you can pull it off, it would give riders another reason to make your place a destination. Done right, you might be able to have a good on-line presence that could sustain you through the slower riding months.

Service: I'm not sure this one is a winner unless there is a real local demand. Having tire changers and very basic service is a neat idea and will play well for the cross-country touring crowd, but a full service shop is expensive to equip, maintain and staff. A lot of folks already have preferred places for that.

Movies: Any chance of using this location as a regular movie theater with one to three screens? That again might bring in the extra cash to run the fun stuff and could fit in with your overall concept.

Drive-in: Speaking of movies, how about a summer drive-in theater? Just put Wild Hogs, Long Way Down, Easy Rider and Mad Max on a loop! LOL

How close is your location to a track? If its close, that's an obvious partner for a lot of activities, service and gear sales.

I love this idea. I'm not sure how profitable it would be, but if promoted well, I'm sure a lot of summer trips would be planned around a visit.
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If it's your Dream go for it, it will not be easy. Expect 16 - 18 hour days, lots of hard work and oh yes dealing with the public FUN FUN FUN!
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