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Woes of riding in tight formation

Crash of motorcycles, car blocks Kennedy lanes
August 22, 2009 9:55 PM

Three motorcyclists and a person in a car were injured in a crash on the Kennedy Expressway tonight that temporarily shut down all lanes of the highway, authorities said.

As of about 9:50 p.m., traffic was moving slowly again on the Kennedy's southbound side near Adams Street, where the the crash occurred at about 8:45 p.m.

Quention Curtis, a Chicago Fire Department spokesman, said he was driving south on the Kennedy at about that time when he pulled up behind the crash and called emergency crews to the scene on his radio.

The crash, he said, appeared to have been a "chain reaction" of collisions in which the three motorcycles struck each other and one of them struck the car.

The three motorcycles were being driven by two men and a woman, all of whom appeared to have been wearing helmets and other safety gear, Curtis said.

Two of the riders were taken to Stroger Hospital and the third was taken to Northwestern Memorial Hospital. They were all in serious-to-critical condition with head, back and leg injuries, Curtis said.

A woman from the car that was hit was taken to Advocate Illinois Masonic Medical Center in fair-to-serious condition, he said.

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Re: Woes of riding in tight formation

They don't call me Lone-Wuff for nothing.

Hope they are all okay and learned something from this.

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Re: Woes of riding in tight formation

If you're the kind of person who panics, You just shouldn't be riding a motorcycle.

Riding a motorcycle is easy as long as nothing goes wrong.

When there's a problem it can turn into a rat on acid on ice pretty quick...


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Re: Woes of riding in tight formation

Good reminder to us all. Even in staggered formation we may be closer than we think. We all need an "air cushion" that provides opportunity to avoid. No matter how much we trust each other, things can and will go wrong. I think it is cool how LEOs are taught to ride side by side in a lane, but the slightest hiccup can take them both out. Spread out for safety. The 2 second rule really works.

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Re: Woes of riding in tight formation

I hope everyone recovers....

Riding "tight formation"....not healthy... and depends on what you consider "tight".... at 20 mph things are easier to react to than when running 70 mph.

The problem I have seen, is lack of reaction time caused by distraction/reaction time. ... and lack of a "reaction plan"... It has been discussed ad infinitum..

The best advice.. "don't do it".... especially if we are able to see each other.. no need to do that... yes, sometimes people are tempted to pass everything ahead of them.. including motorcycles.

Traveling in a "group" offers a feeling of "protection" from car intrusion, however there is an increased risk of "multi" vehicle accident.

From thousands of miles of "formation" riding, I can say they can be done in relative safety, still, increased risk compared to riding "Lone-wuff" style.

There are many ways to ride that effect the outcome. For instance, where a car puts on a "blinker" we should slow and allow them to merge/change lanes safely. This means "breaking" from the pack... so that's how it goes... it makes a POSTIVE influence on the cagers, too.

So, as with all situations, we should KNOW the riders we are teamed with...and PREARRANGE places to stop or "regroup" by slowing down. To do this, we usually agree to "slow" until we are in "view" of each other... we don't have to ride in "tight" formation.
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Re: Woes of riding in tight formation

Sad to hear about this, I saw nothing on the news about it.
This is one of the reasons I do not ride much with others, plus I have no friends

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Re: Woes of riding in tight formation

Last time I was on a group ride I decided to put a new rider in front of me so I could watch out....

Coming out of her driveway she jammed on the brakes and forced me to have to stop abruptly. Unfotrunately over a fairly deep hole... Now on an LT, Most of the time, You're just reaching the ground and if you've got long legs, like me, You can flatfoot it. But when the ground is three or four inches lower than normal.... guess what happens...

Another reason I don't have the LT anymore. Or ride in groups often...

You just never know when someone's plan is going to interfere with yours.

I don't mind being a hundred yards behind or in front of someone....

Radio range...is good too..

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Re: Woes of riding in tight formation

I have the phobia of following in groups as well...
Maily in the mid pack as I have seen a few riders go off and then I have a bunch of riders heading up to me..
I like the back..

air smells the same- but it is much safer for me...

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Sad to hear about this, I saw nothing on the news about it.
This is one of the reasons I do not ride much with others, plus I have no friends
You have friends - me! (as long as you don't ride with me)

I gave up riding in groups a while back - for me, personally, I think it was one of the most dangerous behaviors I've ever been involved in. I never understood what was so great about it in the first place.

A lot of guys here locally get pretty pissed off at me when I decline an invitation to go on a weekend ride. I'm just not that interested to ride15 miles to have breakfast and shoot the shit, then go home, twiddle my thumbs and have the wife read off the list of honey do's.

250 miles for lunch? Sign me up!


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Re: Woes of riding in tight formation

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You have friends - me! (as long as you don't ride with me)

I gave up riding in groups a while back - for me, personally, I think it was one of the most dangerous behaviors I've ever been involved in. I never understood what was so great about it in the first place.

A lot of guys here locally get pretty pissed off at me when I decline an invitation to go on a weekend ride. I'm just not that interested to ride15 miles to have breakfast and shoot the shit, then go home, twiddle my thumbs and have the wife read off the list of honey do's.

250 miles for lunch? Sign me up!
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Seems to be a common denominate for this group! I used to ride with a high school buddy many years ago when I first started riding, but now I prefer to ride alone and not just for short runs to the store. Riding the bike in groups, for me is not fun and creates too much tension.

Skydiving though is different! The more in the air, the better....... when we are all falling at around 120 MPH it seems to be ok if someone rubs up against me.

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Re: Woes of riding in tight formation

Dano,

I knew you were a sick bastage...I have been involved in some of those "RUBS" as you call it, and a couple left permanent bruises...OR WORSE!!! Rubs my ass, it's a 240 mph body slam.

I jumped alone most of the time too, but for different reasons.


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