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post #1 of 20 Old Aug 20th, 2009, 12:30 pm Thread Starter
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Can anybody refer a reliable traffic lawyer around Gilpin County, Co.

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You gotta be kidding. The words reliable and lawyer can't be used in the same sentence.

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reliable, yes.....trustworthy, no.

Riding in Gilpin County around Collinsville....passed some cars on the double yellow...cop was sitting back from the road and was not using radar so I never saw him. The ticket said 'careless' driving. $146.00. I told him there was nothing careless about it. I fully intended to pass those cars and did it quickly and carefully. He was not amused.

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Try this guy:

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I have a buddy that got stopped and the LEO asked him to count from 10 down to 1. He proceeded to quickly say the entire alphabet backwards. Mr. LEO didn't like that... The judge at the hearing asked him to do it again for him!
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I have a buddy that got stopped and the LEO asked him to count from 10 down to 1. He proceeded to quickly say the entire alphabet backwards. Mr. LEO didn't like that... The judge at the hearing asked him to do it again for him!
Did he tell the Judge he can only do it after a few beers?

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You're going to hire a lawyer for a $146 ticket? He'll probably ask for a $500 retainer. Write the check, man.

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You're going to hire a lawyer for a $146 ticket? He'll probably ask for a $500 retainer. Write the check, man.
It could be worth the $500 if he wants (needs?) to keep points off his record.

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All lawyers stink except for the one who pulls your chestnuts out of the fire.
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All lawyers stink except for the one who pulls your chestnuts out of the fire.
+1 on that one!!

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....The ticket said 'careless' driving. $146.00. I told him there was nothing careless about it. I fully intended to pass those cars and did it quickly and carefully. He was not amused.
So the solid double yellows would be a no passing zone, like in Kalifornia? Were you driving on the wrong side of the roadway (over the double yellows), also? Why did he shank you with "reckless?"

And the fine, $146.00? Do you mean $1,460.00?

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All lawyers stink except for the one who pulls your chestnuts out of the fire.

Sage advice to be sure.

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FWIW and I'm not a lawyer!

Plead not guilty first and see what they offer. If they have municipal or ordinance violations that usually involve money but no points, you might be able to take care of it that way. That way they get the money and since you are not from the area, don't care about your driving record. A lawyer will cost you more than the ticket just to get started and your still not sure of the final verdict. Usually the double yellow violations are a no brainer in court when a pass is involved. Maybe they will go for a left of center violation vs the careless driving. If they can avoid rolling the dice and the time and effort they usually will go for the deals.


Insurance companies see $$$$ when violations like racing, reckless driving and careless driving come across because those inherently involve an intentional act that could result in pricey claims.

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You're guilty, pay the fine, learn the lesson. Passing on a double yellow?? Whatcha thinkin"?? A double yellow isn't just for visibility down the road, it also frequently means the area has side roads/driveways with a lot of traffic which make passing very dangerous. If the issue is you have too many points, maybe you need to start thinking about your driving habits. Don't mean to sound harsh here and I love to ride aggressively as well, but there is a time and a place.

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You're guilty, pay the fine, learn the lesson. Passing on a double yellow?? Whatcha thinkin"?? A double yellow isn't just for visibility down the road, it also frequently means the area has side roads/driveways with a lot of traffic which make passing very dangerous. If the issue is you have too many points, maybe you need to start thinking about your driving habits. Don't mean to sound harsh here and I love to ride aggressively as well, but there is a time and a place.
He doesn't seem to be very forthcoming with the details!

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FWIW and I'm not a lawyer!

Plead not guilty first and see what they offer. If they have municipal or ordinance violations that usually involve money but no points, you might be able to take care of it that way. That way they get the money and since you are not from the area, don't care about your driving record.
Before you decide to plead guilty based on the fact that you are from out of state and the plea will not transfer to points in your home state, you had best determine if your home state and Colorado have a reciprocity agreement with respect to reporting of violations. Do not plead guilty assuming your home state will not learn of the violation and assess points against your record.

Even if you have very few points now, I would fight this and every other ticket unless I can get an offer of a non-moving, no-point violation. You never know when that next ticket will come along and you will start getting into point trouble and wish you had fought the previous ones.

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He doesn't seem to be very forthcoming with the details!
IANAL, but admitting that he passed on the double-yellow seals the conviction if either the officer appears to testify or the court notices his posts here. He posted all of his personal details in his profile. it would be hard to argue that "byke33" isn't the real Ron Rieger. He has to hope is that the officer doesn't appear AND the court doesn't notice his indiscretions on this site, which is a reasonable hope for a mere traffic citation.

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Never plead guilty to anything. Proving guilt is their problem.
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Been riding and away from home since CCR so have not responded.

I am not going to head back to Colorado appear in court. On several occaisons....away from my home state of Illinois, I have had a lawyer show up for me and get a ticket reduced or at least 'supervision served' so I don't get it on my record. Happy to pay the fine...(cost of doing business). I would like to keep it off the record.

As to the safety issue. I ride agressively and enjoy curvy challenging roads(like the same in my women too). I had one minor accident on the street in the last 25 years of riding over 30,000 miles a year on multiple bikes and track days. Nothing to due with double yellow or speeding...major oil/coal dust covering a shaded corner on Kentucky. I know I am breaking the law...I choose to and accept the consequenses. I never endanger other road users and don't feel I am taking undue risk. If I had to sit behind the slower rider/cage on twisty roads I would give up riding on the street.

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