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Bike Lift versus Lift Table . . .

Have been looking for a lift table for quite sometime until I ran across this unit at BMWMOA Johnson City Rally 2009.
Kicked the tires and took a chance.
The Rally deal was free shipping.

Here is their website: http://www.stands-and-lifts.com/

Unit arrived quickly . . . took just a few minutes to bolt it all together

Took about 30 minutes, lots of sweating and pondering trying to figure how get the bike and lift arranged for the lift.
I took my time and developed a very safe one person procedure without needing to have a separate wheel chock.



The Pros:
1. Takes up very little space in the garage, can take it into the basement, easy to move around
3. Powered by a stong drill
4. You can actually take off both wheels and all the tupperware while on the lift
5. You can actually get under the bike for easy inspections and some maintenance
6. The foot, large blue post and main extension are "rock" solid at all heights
7. Lifts bike about 24"
8. Requires a few diferent brackets to secure other type bikes (will lift a Goldwing and a Rocket III)
9. Do not need all the lift table attachments - air compressor, wheel chocks, side ramps, approach ramps, bike frame scissor lifts, drop out plates and the list goes on.

The Cons:
1. The LT mounting does not bind the bike tightly thus it rocks slightly - was a little nervous at first but nothing that cannot be managed.
Not sure you can really tug and pull - I mean really tug and pull. Might look into engineering a more stable mount.
2. Cannot change transmission or engine oil since the support system blocks access.
3. Pricey ($$$)

If you wish to see more pictures and detail on how the lift works click below:
http://picasaweb.google.com/dfinazzo/BigBlueBikeLift#

So I will shoot a few videos showing it in action and will post later. For the time being I think I am going to like this unit for the number of times I need to use it.

Maybe the boys at CCR might want one - a lot easier than lugging around a table and the people in attendance will be able to see a lot more . . .

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Re: Bike Lift versus Lift Table . . .

Way cool. Get green paint to match the Bike?

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Re: Bike Lift versus Lift Table . . .

Good pics and nice description of the pro and cons. Still I have some questions over a conventional table lift.
I you mat recall when we talked with the vendor at MOA I had the question Oil drain access and access on the lift side of the device. Lift side access seems OK, but you would still have difficult of getting at the crankcase drain etc.
But the open access to the sides and wheel areas is wonderful.
I look forward to more INFO as you use the lift for repairs and maintenance.

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Re: Bike Lift versus Lift Table . . .

What happens when you start removing weight from one end of the bike? Remove a wheel or the top case. How steady do think it would it be then? Would very much like to see a solution like this for the home shop, but this looks like it depends on everything being in balance. I would think that would limit what you can do with it.

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Re: Bike Lift versus Lift Table . . .

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Way cool. Get green paint to match the Bike?
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Re: Bike Lift versus Lift Table . . .

Looks pretty good, but after using a Handy lift several times and how totally SOLID it is with the heavy LT on it, the extra space it takes up is worth it.. total confidence in the safety and strength. I have a smaller center hydraulic lift that holds a frame that I used to use on other motorcycles I have, but I would not even consider it for the LT.. heavy and getting it stable for the things we do for maintenance is a must. Look around and sometimes you can find a used Handy-Lift if you really want it.. or there are many other ones that are very similar, if not quite as heavily built. But congratulations on your lift !! Anything that can get you off the floor for maintenance is a great thing !

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Re: Bike Lift versus Lift Table . . .

Can you change the oil ,filter, and gear oil with the stand in place? It looks like it would obstruct access. I like that it would fit into my crowded apartment garage.

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Re: Bike Lift versus Lift Table . . .

that thing just looks scary...

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Re: Bike Lift versus Lift Table . . .

If there was ANY possibility of knocking the whole thing over, I wouldn't use it...Cause let's face it, I'd do something stupid and ruin the bike and maybe something else as well..

Maybe with some appropriate outriggers, it'd be safe. But looking like that. I'd be scared spitless..

Yeah, outriggers.....

How about some closeups of the attachment to the bike??????

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Re: Bike Lift versus Lift Table . . .

I have one of these and concur with your comments though I have aded to the attachments. On the advice of another board member (cannot remember who) I purchased a font wheel mount and a set of foot peg rests. This lets me get at the oil 'bits' and I can fit my wifes bike, and many more on to the lift.

Obviously if I have to undo swingarm bolts I woud do it before mounting or drop the bike to the floor wich is very easy with the drill. The main dawback only applies if you have to do a clutch replacement - can you guess why?

Overall very happy with mine and while it may wobble I have no real concerns about it falling over.

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Re: Bike Lift versus Lift Table . . .

Is there some reason you did not reveal the price?
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Re: Bike Lift versus Lift Table . . .

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that thing just looks scary...
Yup! Kind of like those "center post" vehicle lifts.....How many times......Yeah, a moron like me would have the bike dumped in a second!
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Re: Bike Lift versus Lift Table . . .

I e-mailed the company, I think I'll pass. Here is the response. And I assume that this is plus shipping.

The Eazy Rizer Big Blue is ideal for your motorcycles. It is priced direct to the user at $595 including a free set of mounts. For your LT we have a special mount that lifts the bike from the lifting holes in the side plates. Your other BMW would use the foot peg mount that works on all sport touring bikes

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Re: Bike Lift versus Lift Table . . .

Yes it is more than a table lift but when you have a small british garage there is just not enough room for it and other bikes and assorted junk. Unless of course you dig out the original floor which is more time and expense.

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Yes it is more than a table lift but when you have a small british garage there is just not enough room for it and other bikes and assorted junk. Unless of course you dig out the original floor which is more time and expense.

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Well If you are "space challenged" I would not exclude this one:
http://www.kendonusa.com/lift.htm

I looked at the lift pretty seriously until my riding buddy and I came onto a used Handy for a super price it was in my short list of possibilities.

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Re: Bike Lift versus Lift Table . . .

Also with table lifts, I have a Handy, if you park the bike on it the footprint isn't much bigger than the bike itself.

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Re: Bike Lift versus Lift Table . . .

Graham - after I bought the unit I did see you had some postings some time ago on this exact lift.
As I recall the pictures had the vertical posts that were painted grey.
Maybe you could take a picture of the foot mounts you talked about and how they attach to the bike.
I need to improve the looseness of the bike on the dealer supplied mounts.

As it stands now and without much investigation you cannot drain the transmission or replace the
engine oil while on the lift using the side posts. However I would be very interested in how that is
accomplished with the parts you talked about.

What attracted me to the unit is its:
1. Portability - take to the basement for the winter, lend to my friends, pop in my truck
2. Small foot print - just did not like having a table taking up all that space all the time
3. A lift table seems more appropriate for a business / shop that is in the business
4. While the LT is up there in weight my plan for future bikes are ones that weigh less

There no doubt that a table lift with all its attachments would allow you to do more tasks
especially those involving large torque settings along with heavy duty pulling a tugging.
But when a safety concern regarding stability presents itself what is nice about this unit is
that you can lower the bike to the ground level and perform some of these tasks and just raise it back up.

Yes its pricey but I when I bought it I always felt I could dump it for a few dollars less without any problem.

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Re: Bike Lift versus Lift Table . . .

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Well If you are "space challenged" I would not exclude this one:
http://www.kendonusa.com/lift.htm

I looked at the lift pretty seriously until my riding buddy and I came onto a used Handy for a super price it was in my short list of possibilities.
This looks more like it...

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Re: Bike Lift versus Lift Table . . .

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I probably tried to include too much information so my post was not very clear. There are pictures of all the available at http://www.on-bike.com/mounts_options.htm

To allow access to the oil pan I use a front wheel mount instead of the supplied front mount. So you still use the specific LT side posts and the bottom of the engine has no obstructions.

The footpeg mounts are not for the LT. They mount onto the same horizontal plate as the LT posts but are designed to clamp onto a lighter bikes footrests.

The combination of front wheel mount, original engine support and foot peg supports will let you lift most bikes. When you speak to the distributor explain what you are after - you do not need 2 kits just half of each kit which may reduce the cost.

As for looseness I am not sure you can do much about that - it may be a design featue. If anything I would look to get a horizontal bar made out of thicker steel.

Hope that is a bit clearer.

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Re: Bike Lift versus Lift Table . . .

As fate would have it my wife (Linda) and I attended the CCR of the Flamenco Dance. That was the Sante Fe one which we enjoyed immensely. On the final day we had loaded the Uni and the bike and were preparing to depart so we rode around to the front of the hotel and there was Randy and Mark loading a handy lift onto Randy's trailer. They had another one sitting there and were bemoaning a bit the fact that the person who had agreed to purchase it had backed out of the deal. Well low and behold there I was and there was my new lift just waiting for me to go on ahead and buy it. Which I did and then struck a deal with Mr. Prade to transport and store it for me until I could get to Wyoming and then back to Denver for the pickup. That little rascal is downstairs in the garage and is worth it's weight in something very heavy. For the difference in price I would suggest going with the Handy Lift for general work on the K12LT or the light as a feather GoldWing.

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Re: Bike Lift versus Lift Table . . .

I have the Kendon Lift and love the thing. It lifts and holds my RT with no effort. When not in use it folds up and just lays against the wall. I guess if I tried hard enough I could tip it over but it would take some purposful effort.




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