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Deadly motorcycle weekend in Chicago

Top story on all of the local TV news is that 6 m/c deaths so far this weekend in Chicago.
Some on I-57, some on state routes, some on local streets.

It is sad and I feel bad for all, but it seems like 98% of bikes around here are ridden by people without helmets or protective gear of any kind. Shorts, flip flops, and t-shirts very common as well. If they choose to ride like that, I wonder what kind of rider training they have.

Add in all of the traffic that 7 million people create, texting and cell phone usage while driving and that is the result. I am sure everyone I know will be warning me about how my motorcycling is dangerous.

A few of us were out for a bicycle training ride yesterday and we came upon another bicycle weaving back and forth in the lane and when we passed the bike a girl was talking on her phone while pedaling her bike. Future road hazard in training.

We need better driver training in this country.
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Top story on all of the local TV news is that 6 m/c deaths so far this weekend in Chicago.
Some on I-57, some on state routes, some on local streets.

It is sad and I feel bad for all, but it seems like 98% of bikes around here are ridden by people without helmets or protective gear of any kind. Shorts, flip flops, and t-shirts very common as well. If they choose to ride like that, I wonder what kind of rider training they have.

Add in all of the traffic that 7 million people create, texting and cell phone usage while driving and that is the result. I am sure everyone I know will be warning me about how my motorcycling is dangerous.

A few of us were out for a bicycle training ride yesterday and we came upon another bicycle weaving back and forth in the lane and when we passed the bike a girl was talking on her phone while pedaling her bike. Future road hazard in training.

We need better driver training in this country.
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Amen to better driver training. I personally would also vote for the NJ law with no license until age 17.

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A few of us were out for a bicycle training ride yesterday and we came upon another bicycle weaving back and forth in the lane and when we passed the bike a girl was talking on her phone while pedaling her bike. Future road hazard in training.

We need better driver training in this country.
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I came southbound over the Grapevine into LA yesterday. The 405 freeway was heavy with holiday traffic. At one place I looked over and there was a young man driving a car in the fast lane, reading a magazine. (I was in the carpool lane.) I LEANED on my horn - he didn't even look up. I was three feet away from his window. I got away from him fast. In the rearview mirror, I could see that he had slowed down some, and was trailing a long line of cars stuck behind him.

The sad truth is that I see similar things all the time.

(Admittedly, I need to replace the horn on my GT with a Nautilus.)
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It's a combination of very poor and distracted drivers, under-trained but over-confident riders, modern fast bikes, no protective gear, and spring drawing all of these folks out together. Sad, but it happens every year around this time.

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The sad truth is that I see similar things all the time.
Yep, that's why I'm glad that I don't commute through LA or OC traffic anymore.

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(Admittedly, I need to replace the horn on my GT with a Nautilus.)
I had a guy on the phone swerve into the carpool lane on me recently. I hit the Nautilus horn, and he actually dropped his phone. So come on up, David. We can sort you out.

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post #5 of 17 Old May 26th, 2009, 10:39 am
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This has been a bad season already for MC accidents. Many heard of the woman on a bike who was rear-ended by another woman painting her nails. Happened in my home town. This weekend I had to spend 20 minutes reasurring my girlfriend that we would be ok taking a bike ride. Seems like once a month I have that conversation with somebody about how most of these accidents occur to unlicensed, poorly trained, little or no gear wearing, drunk riders. I wish they would quit wrecking....it's giving us all a bad rap.

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Seems like 3-4 people are killed in cars daily here in socal.

Just to level the playing field

lots of times, all killed in the same car. Not too long ago, lost an LA upcoming pitcher and 2 of his passengers from a red light runner who t-boned them.

I think cages should be banned completely, it'd solve a lot of our problems. (ok ok, I've probably been looking at the 'bikes at work' pic's too much, wonder how they get all those live chickens on one bike??)
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Last October a 16yr old girl made a left turn in front of me while she was text messaging. I broadsided her car, did a flip over it and landed on my back on the other side. Totaled my 07 Moto Guzzi Norge. Here in Dubuque it seems that 95% of the motorcycle riders do not wear any protective gear. The Goldwing riders wear T-shirts, shorts and flip flops. The Harley guys wear T-shirts, do-rags and jeans. I will not ride ride in town unless it is necessary. I used to enjoy riding around town in the evenings but it is just to dangerous now days. Cell phones should be illegal to use while driving. There was a spot on 60 minutes about a year ago that claimed using a cell phone while driving was more dangerous than drunk driving.

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There was a spot on 60 minutes about a year ago that claimed using a cell phone while driving was more dangerous than drunk driving.
+1 Here's a big AMEN from the back pew! I find it easier to avoid drunks, than cell phone users. Truth is that texting, make up, nail polishing, reading books, magazines or newspapers, ..... there's a lot of distractions. Drivers think they can "manage" more tasks while driving. The simple fact is they can't. I don't want to outlaw cellphone use while driving but we need to get folks using good judgement. If you get a call while driving, be hands free, make it short or pull off the road.

Common sense is less and less common.

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Top story on all of the local TV news is that 6 m/c deaths so far this weekend in Chicago.
Some on I-57, some on state routes, some on local streets.

It is sad and I feel bad for all, but it seems like 98% of bikes around here are ridden by people without helmets or protective gear of any kind. Shorts, flip flops, and t-shirts very common as well. If they choose to ride like that, I wonder what kind of rider training they have.

Add in all of the traffic that 7 million people create, texting and cell phone usage while driving and that is the result. I am sure everyone I know will be warning me about how my motorcycling is dangerous.

A few of us were out for a bicycle training ride yesterday and we came upon another bicycle weaving back and forth in the lane and when we passed the bike a girl was talking on her phone while pedaling her bike. Future road hazard in training.

We need better driver training in this country.
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I agree we need much better driver training. I also think we need to make cell phones non-operable when they sense motion greater then 5 MPH.

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Just for info - its illegal to use a cellphone while driving a car , and illegal to ride even a pushbike here in OZ without a helmet.

We have a lot less civil liberties here, than the US and in many ways its a pain - but I guess you cant have it all ways.
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I'm Sure you guys saw this one. It's an Indian driving a MC and Texting...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxZxjgKcsPE

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I agree we need much better driver training. I also think we need to make cell phones non-operable when they sense motion greater then 5 MPH.
Both great ideas!

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...Cell phones should be illegal to use while driving. There was a spot on 60 minutes about a year ago that claimed using a cell phone while driving was more dangerous than drunk driving.
Since last July (2008), cell phone usage has been banned while driving, unless the driver uses a "hands-free" device. Many (most?) people ignore the law. Every day, I see drivers holding cell phones against their ears. They are easy to spot because of their erratic driving.

My son and his friends made a large sign that says "Get off your cell phone!!". They carry it on the bus to/from soccer games and hold it up whenever they see someone breaking the law. They hardly have a chance to put it down.
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Amen to better driver training. I personally would also vote for the NJ law with no license until age 17.

Why make the kids wait till they are 17? If the kids can prove they are responsible enough to drive they should be given a license. It Punish all because of a few? Maybe we should tax more and give to the people who mismanage money while we are out to punish those who prove responsible!

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I agree we need much better driver training. I also think we need to make cell phones non-operable when they sense motion greater then 5 MPH.

What do you do when you are a passenger?? Is it illegal to use the phone then?

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What do you do when you are a passenger?? Is it illegal to use the phone then?
Mike it is not illegal to use a phone then; however, it should be while driving. I do not believe we need more laws but cell phone use while driving should be illegal. I am not sure how to allow passengers to operate their phone while disabling the drivers.

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Since last July (2008), cell phone usage has been banned while driving, unless the driver uses a "hands-free" device. Many (most?) people ignore the law. Every day, I see drivers holding cell phones against their ears. They are easy to spot because of their erratic driving.

My son and his friends made a large sign that says "Get off your cell phone!!". They carry it on the bus to/from soccer games and hold it up whenever they see someone breaking the law. They hardly have a chance to put it down.
Oops. The one detail I left out is that the hands-free law is in California. Cell phone laws vary between states.
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