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post #1 of 20 Old Oct 27th, 2008, 3:42 pm Thread Starter
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Stay In Your Lane....

Target fixation is a beotch.

This is a sequence of shots from Deals Gap. The're 9 pictures, just scroll through them with the arrows at the top.

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post #2 of 20 Old Oct 27th, 2008, 3:45 pm
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dont know if it was target fixation or speed that took him across the yellow...looks like his buddy was way out ahead and he may have been trying to keep up and riding beyond his ability....

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dont know if it was target fixation or speed that took him across the yellow...looks like his buddy was way out ahead and he may have been trying to keep up and riding beyond his ability....

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I agree. This is a blind curve and it seems as though he crossed the double yellows due to speed. Nontheless, he has a sore body, broken bike, photos of him with one shoe and some bills to pay....not good. They must have lots of problems here for someone to be sitting there taking photos!
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Target fixation is a beotch.

This is a sequence of shots from Deals Gap. The're 9 pictures, just scroll through them with the arrows at the top.

Lookie here
When you see you going don't want to go, force yourself to look where you need to be then talk to yourself.. Press, press, press.. press right to go right!!!

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...looks like his buddy was way out ahead and he may have been trying to keep up and riding beyond his ability....
Yup! precisely why I avoid that oooover------rated stretch of road.

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They must have lots of problems here for someone to be sitting there taking photos!
Or maybe............. he was distracted "momentarily" by the photographer

.......after all this could be his "opportunity" to

..............."become one of the "cool people"

and get "published" on a website for all his "friends" to see.


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...Or maybe............. he was distracted "momentarily" by the photographer

.......after all this could be his "opportunity" to

..............."become one of the "cool people"

and get "published" on a website for all his "friends" to see.
Kudos for voicing an opinion that runs contrary to the conventional wisdom, Hans. I've often wondered how many riders are distracted - even momentarily - by the various photographers on the Dragon. I think I noticed 3 separate pro photographers last April, and there's always 1 or more amateurs taking photos. I will admit that I have been distracted by them, and no, that doesn't mean everyone else is. Fortunately I'm going so slowly that I have plenty of time to remind myself to get back in the game!

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My guess is he hasn't rode many curves to know how far his lean angle is. He froze in the curve and righted his bike. I would have leaned the bike more until it was either flopped on the side or I made it through the turn. Flopping a bike and sliding would be better than hitting the car and flying into the air. But again, he doesn't have any gear below waist.

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When you see you going don't want to go, force yourself to look where you need to be then talk to yourself.. Press, press, press.. press right to go right!!!
It probably would have been much better to have low sided while pressing too hard than to have whacked the side of this chebby, bustin' a window, scaring the sheeeit out of the occupants of the cage, losin' your cheap ass dumb sh#t footwear and loosing some thread on your levi's.

Sorry - don't give a crap about this [email protected]#hole. He deserved what he got.

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Yesterday, There was a Harley that crossed the yellow on 28 by the Fontana Bridge.

He hit the mountain wall hard.

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I've often wondered how many riders are distracted - even momentarily - by the various photographers on the Dragon.
I like waving at folks while laid over in a corner.



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I was on the GAP on 10/16/08 and passed by this accident. They guy was lying on the side of the road, with police everywhere and the ambulance had just gotten there. This was about 45 minutes after the accident.

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My guess is he hasn't rode many curves to know how far his lean angle is. He froze in the curve and righted his bike........... But again, he doesn't have any gear below waist.
Well, that would explain why he froze in fear!

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Boots would have been handy, since his shoe got ripped off. Lucky it wasn't his foot.

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It probably would have been much better to have low sided while pressing too hard than to have whacked the side of this chebby, bustin' a window, scaring the sheeeit out of the occupants of the cage, losin' your cheap ass dumb sh#t footwear and loosing some thread on your levi's.

Sorry - don't give a crap about this [email protected]#hole. He deserved what he got.
Well, guess I don't have to say it now. ATGATT. On, and a little less stupidity would have helped too...

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It is very easy to misjudge a corner and not have the riding skill to compensate. For someone riding over their ability , who among us hasn't at one time or other, it is very easy to "push'' out to the edge too far. I admit that I came off a corner or two with the wrong geometry. If we get away with it once we should remind ourself after a good self skolding that its brake , lean, accellerate through the corner . Getting it wrong is what seems to have been done in the clips. Seeing the shoe off is a good example of why good gear is so important.

As for not feeling for the guy as someone suggested, that seems a little foolish as we are all neophytes at one time or other and who here has not done at least one thing stupid . When I find myself in that position these days after a long absense from the riding, I just holler stupid in the helmet for the next couple of turns to remind me this is some serious shit we do and thank my maker for allowing me to get away with it THIS TIME while promising to use better judgment in the immediate future.

But I do feel for the guy because judging only by the pics I'm thinking he is punishing himself as much as any of us could . There is nothing worse than doing something stupid , but to have it captured on film. YIKES>

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Since the first photo has the bike and rider just making contact with the SUV we really can't make much of a judgement about the attitude of the bike (he's already just off of the seat towards the SUV).

The only thing we really know for sure is that he's over the centerline.

This could be due to excessive speed or simply a bad corner entry line.

David Hough in his book "Proficient Motorcycling: The Ultimate Guide to Riding Well" presents this exact problem and how to prevent it by using "Delayed Apexing"

My GUESS is that this rider has never read or practiced any of Mr. Hough's wisdom and had a bad entry line.

Amazon.com has this book for $16.47.

I can't give this book a higher recommendation.

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It really is hard to say what happened but it sure fits the classic early apex a corner disaster. If he would have late apex it he'd be no where near that SUV. I may purchase a few of these photo's as it would help me answer some of the questions I get from people in my booth that ask " Are MC Boots really worth it?"
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I also might add that the rider in the foreground is not in the proper position for the approaching corner. He should be farther to the left in preparation for a late apex.
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Boots would have been handy, since his shoe got ripped off. Lucky it wasn't his foot.

Oh yes, almost forgot, I'll admit it. Been where he's at before, just never quite hit an on coming vehicle. You can sometimes use all the clearance you have and still not make it due to too much speed. Most recent occurrence was last year with a few guys from here as witnesses

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The paper said the driver was his ex-wife..hehehe.

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