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Doesnt look like much changed. Stroked engine for more HP and a speed limiter on the GT? A little counter intuitive. Why add HP only to slow it down.

I never thought the 1200's were slow.. I guess BMW has to keep up with the competitors.

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I wonder if they paid anymore attention to that final drive design?
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Nobody is forcing them to make a change to the FD design, Why should they,
It would cut down on repair sales.

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Is there some sort of problem with the Final Drive on BMW scoots?


When I was a kid I had a 60 Dodge Seneca with an in-line six. It was my first car and I can remember my dad test driving it. Seemed to have okay acceleration for a Sherman Tank with a hamster for a motor, but when I got my license and started driving it I couldn't get above 70 mph, which was the speed limit back then and almost got me killed. Took shop class and my teacher opened the hood and showed me the problem. My dad had slapped a govener on it. After some mods it was running like it should again, or maybe even a little better, and my dad was never aware.

With all that said, what the hell is a "Speed Limiter" and why is it on a GT? I am just wondering if my dad went to work for BMW and I didn't know it.

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With all that said, what the hell is a "Speed Limiter" and why is it on a GT?
Growing up, I drove my Mom's Buick Park Avenue a lot. That car had a little needle that you could set inside of the speedo that would sound an alarm when you reached that speed. I really liked that feature as it kept me aware of when I was reaching "the ticket zone". I'm hoping that this "Speed Limiter" is the modern version of that feature. It might be kinda cool to be able to manually set a speed limit so that you don't have to watch your speed every two seconds.

If it is a true speed limiter ... I don't know WHAT they are thinking!
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If it is a true speed limiter ... I don't know WHAT they are thinking!
With what the new prices are going to be due to the weak dollar, BMW needs to make sure that you can make the payments and not have to spend all of your money on performance awards and higher insurance costs.

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Anything new on the next generation LT?
Same question - any rumors, spy shots, hallucinations, etc. about a new LT?!

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I see they have changed the pots for the brake and clutch fluids and also the turn signal is now the traditional way and not the BMW way.

Personally, with the economy in Europe and the US the way they are, I can´t see BMW introducing any new expensive bikes for quite a while yet.

I hope I am wrong.
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Growing up, I drove my Mom's Buick Park Avenue a lot. That car had a little needle that you could set inside of the speedo that would sound an alarm when you reached that speed. I really liked that feature as it kept me aware of when I was reaching "the ticket zone". I'm hoping that this "Speed Limiter" is the modern version of that feature. It might be kinda cool to be able to manually set a speed limit so that you don't have to watch your speed every two seconds.

If it is a true speed limiter ... I don't know WHAT they are thinking!
Our '69 Buick LeSabre had the same thing. That's funny -- I haven't thought of that gadget in many years. It was strictly an audible speed warning, not a cruise control. So with the GT, would it be "on" as soon as the bike is put in gear?

If the GT does have a speed limiter I predict a future Hall of Wisdom contribution from some techno-capable folks.

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Don't count on it.

I'm glad to say that my GT survived the LOE/1000 Rally this weekend. Some friends of mine weren't so lucky. Their '07 GT came back on a flatbed with the cam chain making a huge racket. They were on track with a top-three score, too. And this after they were forced to drop out of another rally last month with a Final Drive failure. They are not pleased, and I think they have drunk their last Kool-Aid.

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Don't count on it.

I'm glad to say that my GT survived the LOE/1000 Rally this weekend. Some friends of mine weren't so lucky. Their '07 GT came back on a flatbed with the cam chain making a huge racket. They were on track with a top-three score, too. And this after they were forced to drop out of another rally last month with a Final Drive failure. They are not pleased, and I think they have drunk their last Kool-Aid.
Congrats on your high finish Ken!

Sorry about your friends problems.

I keep telling myself this but next year I'm really going to put the LOE on my damn schedule...

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With all that said, what the hell is a "Speed Limiter" and why is it on a GT?

Perhaps the same limiter that has been on the Hayabusa since 2000 and installed on many other big bore sportbikes since. It kicks in @ 186 mph help keep things sane. As if 186 on the street could be considered sane.

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Frankly, I don't care for the "vent" on the side of the fairing for the new K1300GT. Butt-ugly and just ruins the lines of the bike. But, maybe it'll grow on me?

I'm VERY satisfied with my 1200.

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Frankly, I don't care for the "vent" on the side of the fairing for the new K1300GT. Butt-ugly and just ruins the lines of the bike. But, maybe it'll grow on me?

I'm VERY satisfied with my 1200.
Speculation on my part, but I'm guessing the designers had to give K1300GT owners some way to have their new models stand out - visually - from the previous GT.

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As these pictures show, the K1300 is a radical change from the K1200. The final drive is on the wrong side for one thing.
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As these pictures show, the K1300 is a radical change from the K1200. The final drive is on the wrong side for one thing.


Is that so? The final drive on my '07 K1200GT was on the LEFT side (same as the pics) the last time I looked.

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Perhaps the same limiter that has been on the Hayabusa since 2000 and installed on many other big bore sportbikes since. It kicks in @ 186 mph help keep things sane. As if 186 on the street could be considered sane.
If I'm not mistaken, Japan has a "top speed limit" of 300 kph (186 MPH) on all the sportbikes by law. The speed limiter is easily defeated if so desired.

Why anyone feels the need to go over 186MPH without being on a track is beyond me.....

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If I'm not mistaken, Japan has a "top speed limit" of 300 kph (186 MPH) on all the sportbikes by law. The speed limiter is easily defeated if so desired.

Why anyone feels the need to go over 186MPH without being on a track is beyond me.....
BMW electronically limits the speed on their automobiles depending on the tires. The top speed of the M series is limited to 155 mph - the X3 is limited at either 130 or 142 depending on the tires. The 3-series sedans are limited to 130 or 150 depending on the tires. I think you will see the speed limiter on the bikes in the 130-160mph region.

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Hmmm - nothing there I'd walk accross the street to look at, let alone pay $0.05 for...
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BMW electronically limits the speed on their automobiles depending on the tires. The top speed of the M series is limited to 155 mph...
I have generally thought all this speed limiting stuff was silly and a moot point for U.S. driving, i.e., who on earth would actually get going that fast on U.S. streets/highways anyway?

That was until I got an M5 last year. I seldom get a chance to stomp on it, but when I do (e.g., passing someone on a two lane highway), I suddenly find myself at 120 or 130 before I know what's happened. If I had the limiter removed (which tuners can apparently do quite easily) and kept my foot on the gas, I've no doubt I could be at 200 a few seconds later (top speed when not limited is 205mph). That has given me a new perspective on this issue.

With some of these new bikes (which are even quicker than the M5!), if you put a kid on them who is TRYING to see how fast he can go, he'll get it up to max speed in "no time!" And since he won't be doing it on a track, but on public roads, where those speeds are insanely dangerous, you're just asking for trouble (and hurting/killing other people, not just himself). Hence, I actually think a speed limiter of some sort is perfectly reasonable. Relatively few people are going to pay to have it removed, so it will keep lots of speed freaks from endangering the rest of us.

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Growing up, I drove my Mom's Buick Park Avenue a lot. That car had a little needle that you could set inside of the speedo that would sound an alarm when you reached that speed. I really liked that feature as it kept me aware of when I was reaching "the ticket zone". I'm hoping that this "Speed Limiter" is the modern version of that feature. It might be kinda cool to be able to manually set a speed limit so that you don't have to watch your speed every two seconds.

If it is a true speed limiter ... I don't know WHAT they are thinking!
Yep. My '61 LeSabre had that too. Along with a very trick mirror image speedo that you read in a mirror on the dash that was adjustable for angle. Loved that old girl...

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Quote from an Australian BMW news release

"A new shaft drive system is claimed to improve durability and in conjunction with a newly optimised Duolever front suspension offer a much smoother ride than ever before. "

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Speculation on my part, but I'm guessing the designers had to give K1300GT owners some way to have their new models stand out - visually - from the previous GT.
Agreed, the same as they did with the '05 LTs. Apparently, there are a few snobbish BMW owners out there that care about such things. Who knew?

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I think you will see the speed limiter on the bikes in the 130-160mph region.
My '07 is limited to 150 mph. Best I could get on the GPS was 149.8 mph, on a miles-long arrow straight road with a slight downhill. That was fully loaded with the large AeroFlow windshield and a 49L trunk. Um, I meant on a carefully supervised track day, with all safety features in place. I mean, you just can't do those kinds of speeds on a public road. Not even in Nevada.

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Why anyone feels the need to go over 186MPH without being on a track is beyond me.....
Isn't "fast" a relative term? There are many out there that would edit your statement to say "100MPH".

I don't need to go faster than 186, I just want to. Another way of looking at it is: I don't need to go faster than 186MPH, but I would like to get there in less than 20 seconds.

Would I actually go that fast?
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I'm glad to say that my GT survived the LOE/1000 Rally this weekend. Some friends of mine weren't so lucky. Their '07 GT came back on a flatbed with the cam chain making a huge racket. They were on track with a top-three score, too. And this after they were forced to drop out of another rally last month with a Final Drive failure. They are not pleased, and I think they have drunk their last Kool-Aid.
Have them contact Hans. He'll explain and extoll the virtues of the bike's superb weather protection.....

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Isn't "fast" a relative term? There are many out there that would edit your statement to say "100MPH".

I don't need to go faster than 186, I just want to. Another way of looking at it is: I don't need to go faster than 186MPH, but I would like to get there in less than 20 seconds.

Would I actually go that fast?
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Umm . . . on a closed track, of course.
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I like the side vent, it breaks up the slab sidedness. I'm a little disappointed in the color choices (again!)

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......and did you notice "The K 1300 GT benefits from protectors which have been integrated into the side sections to reduce the risk of damage should the machine fall over."
Wonder if this can be retro-fitted onto the newer K1200 GTs? We have a couple of friends that could've benefitted from this.
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......and did you notice "The K 1300 GT benefits from protectors which have been integrated into the side sections to reduce the risk of damage should the machine fall over."
Wonder if this can be retro-fitted onto the newer K1200 GTs? We have a couple of friends that could've benefitted from this.
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I wonder if they paid anymore attention to that final drive design?
Yes, changes there, also standard indicator switch on the K1300S.
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I wish I could find a closed track that I could ring my GT out on (well maybe not completely, but I'd love to play with it without meeting new LEOs). How do you find one?
In your state , Roebling Road near Savannah has regular track days sponsored by various clubs . They have track days up here at Road Atlanta as well for cars and I would imagine for bikes as well but I've been out of the loop for some time on racing. You can look up Track Days in Georgia and see what pops up.

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I wish I could find a closed track that I could ring my GT out on (well maybe not completely, but I'd love to play with it without meeting new LEOs). How do you find one?
Track day at Roebling (20 miles from Savannah Georgia) Monday Nov. 3:

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My November work schedule has not been posted yet, but I saved the links. Looks like it would be lots of fun, but it looks like I'd need to get more sophisticated riding gear. Not sure I understand the no antifreeze statement. Does that mean I'd have to drain the cooling system in order to run my GT on the track?

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In your state , Roebling Road near Savannah has regular track days sponsored by various clubs . They have track days up here at Road Atlanta as well for cars and I would imagine for bikes as well but I've been out of the loop for some time on racing. You can look up Track Days in Georgia and see what pops up.
Thanks Ray,

Road Atlanta would be much closer and easier to plan for. I'll check it out.

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