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Rode a Goldwing today

A friend stopped by and I took out his 2002 Goldwing for a spin.
A first for me after riding over 30,000 miles on a LT.
Right off I noticed the obvious available increase of power,
Center of gravity is lower so slow speed handling seemed to be better.
The controls were loaded with all kinds of switches and made the LT controls seem very simple. I found myself looking down at the panel / controls rather than forward like on the LT. I think the LT could take the Goldwing in the corners. The Wing reminds me of a big Ol' stationwagon.

Made me feel good with the LT.
I'll keep my cowbell rear brake and play the Lotto with my rear drive !!!

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A friend stopped by and I took out his 2002 Goldwing for a spin.
A first for me after riding over 30,000 miles on a LT.
Right off I noticed the obvious available increase of power,
Center of gravity is lower so slow speed handling seemed to be better.
The controls were loaded with all kinds of switches and made the LT controls seem very simple. I found myself looking down at the panel / controls rather than forward like on the LT. I think the LT could take the Goldwing in the corners. The Wing reminds me of a big Ol' stationwagon.

Made me feel good with the LT.
I'll keep my cowbell rear brake and play the Lotto with my rear drive !!!

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Hey Larry,
You're one up on me. I've not had a ride on a Goldwing. Guess I should do that just to know what you and others are talking about.
Thanks for the post.
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Re: Rode a Goldwing today

I have always liked test riding GW and keeping LT.

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A friend stopped by and I took out his 2002 Goldwing for a spin.
A first for me after riding over 30,000 miles on a LT.
Right off I noticed the obvious available increase of power,
Center of gravity is lower so slow speed handling seemed to be better.
The controls were loaded with all kinds of switches and made the LT controls seem very simple. I found myself looking down at the panel / controls rather than forward like on the LT. I think the LT could take the Goldwing in the corners. The Wing reminds me of a big Ol' stationwagon.

Made me feel good with the LT.
I'll keep my cowbell rear brake and play the Lotto with my rear drive !!!

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Re: Rode a Goldwing today

My wife and I test rode a Gold Wing at Americade in June. We both loved it. Keeping my 05 LT until the new ones come out, If BMW doesn't change some things on the new LT's, a GW is in our future. Chuck.
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Re: Rode a Goldwing today

I have ridden a GW several times alone as well with my wife. They are different rides and some of the stuff just takes time to get use too. But my wife and I would rather ride the LT. The LT has a smoother air flow for both of us (with the CB #2) and better position for her and me on the bike.

As for power the GW wins hands down. But we did some drag racing the other day and found that the GW got a 20ft jump off the line but at the end I caught up to them and was going to pass before we ran out of road. In the turns the LT will do better, even though the GW is very good the LT just does better.

My overall would be to say the GW is a good bike, and I can't fault anyone for wanting or driving one. It just isn't for me. I like my LT and plan to stay with it.

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To me it feels like you are "sitting" in a Goldwing and "riding" on an LT. At my height (6'3") the Lt fits better. The LT just feels sportier, less boxy. You just have to wind out the LT and it will hang with the GW. Both are great bikes!
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The LT is a sporty tourer and the Goldwing is just a tourer. Depends what you want, both great bikes.
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Re: Rode a Goldwing today

Before purchasing my LT I test rode a GW 1st, on the same day. After ten minutes on the LT all I could do was, think about the GW, laugh about the GW, and forget about the GW. All jokes aside though, I have to agree with Caveno, the LT definitely has the "Sport Tourer" catagory covered.
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Re: Rode a Goldwing today

I recently did a loooong tour on a wing and really enjoyed it with a bunch of other riders ( LT ) included.

You guys may enjoy this report I wrote...

http://www.bmwlt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39282
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GWs are very good bikes. I've ridden one on 4-5 occasions for probably a total of 1,500 miles or so. Pure power, delightful ride and comfort, more than adequate handling for almost any road you want to take one down. With all of that said I have to ask myself why I just plain do not like them!

The best I can come with is probably not very rational but here it is. My Dad buys a brand new Mercury Marquis every couple of years. I've driven them and ridden in his with him and he has never had any trouble out of them, they ride great, etc. etc. But, I like my Porsche 911 and my Audi S4 which are a lot more trouble and expense and quite frankly do not ride as smoothly or comfortably as his Mercury. I just don't like his Mercury and I don't like Gold Wings in much the same irrational manner. At the same time, it is irrational for me to be critical of his choice of a Mercury Marquis. Does not have to make sense to anyone but me.
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I just joined this group to find out more about the LT as I am trying to decide between it and a GW for my next bike. I have owned a GW in the past (in the mid 80's) and currently have a 93 ST1100. Riding the ST is getting hard on my hip and wrists so I think that I am ready for a luxo-tourer.

I have owned several Hondas over the years including a CX500-Turbo. Hondas are generally no drama bikes. They just work. The current GW handles better than any 900lb motorcycle has a right to and has plenty of power.

Having said all that, Hondas just seem to lack something. I call it the tupperware effect. Tupperware does it's job almost pefectly but I don't stand at the door to the garage and stare at it.

My wife wants me to get the GW but the LT calls to me. Is BMW going to update it? I would like to see a new version based on the engine in the K1200GT. Now THAT would excite me!

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So far all I've done is sit on a GW so I am not prepared to say more than I don't think it would give me the "sport " in touring I currently like the most which I get in spades from my RT. If it was between the LT and the GW , I'd consider either of them the next move from an RT when the bucket dragging is no longer an option for me. I would not discount a Harley at that point but the image of both the GW and the Harley to be something less than I feel about myself as an enthusiast.

I would not forget either about some of the crusers out there that are more like touring bikes than ever. Triumphs come to mind and many of the wanna be hogs (jap versions) have compelling features for longer distance riding as they improve the breed.

For me though it is keep it light keep it fun and the RT seems almost my ONLY option at the moment.

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As was said, both are great bikes with a little different foccus. If they were cars we would be comparing a Honda Civic with a BMW 3 series....(or an Accord with a 5 series, take your pick). The Wing is a more generic touring focus while the LT takes a bit more to the sporty side. Personally I think the BMW looks a whole lot better and that was one of my biggest reasons to go that way.

BMW is working on the next generation LT but being pretty close-mouthed as to what it will look like. They are somewhat targeting the Wing, but don't plan to give up the more sporting nature of LT in the process. Rumors of a new 6 cylinder or the slanted 4 are both out there...and who knows, they might offer both. No commitment on timing has been made, but the most common rumor is a 2010 model. That being said, several people were "sure" that the new LT would be a 2009 model to be released in mid '08 not all that long ago.

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Re: Rode a Goldwing today

When you read about the comparisons on a Gold Wing forum you begin to see things from a different prospective. When you read about the comparisons from other forums you find that the biggest deterrent to an LT ownership is the top heavy weight and Final Drive failures. And it does not help when current and former LT owners ring in with there personal cost/maintenance/failures horror stories.

From someone who has seriously researched and have considered both, I have to sadly admit that LT forums/threads do a despicable job of selling the LT. I purposely refrain from viewing the LT section because itís so depressing. And I mean no personal bearing by this, but as an outsider, when I see threads like this one, some of the responses and comments appear to be less about comparison and more about affirmation.
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I went through the exact same analysis from April -July of this year. I spent waaaay too much time on the Goldwing Forums and here. I think everything that has been said here is correct. Because of my age (65) and my touring desires, I finally decided that I wanted no more drama in my life. By drama I mean problems. I have no guarantees; but decided the odds were with me for better reliability if I bought the Wing. I did in July and I'm happy with it. I don't think it looks as sexy as the LT, I doubt if a really expert rider could do things with it that they could do on the LT (but I'm not that expert) and generally I agree the Wing doesn't have the Panache that the LT does. But I like the tens of thousands of carefree miles that are probably going to happen (no guarantees of course), the better availability of dealers and the generally lower cost of maintenance and repairs (I'm getting ready to retire so I don't need the extra costs). If I were 45-50, had 10-20 years left to work and just had more energy to drive 100 miles roundtrip for service, I may have made a different decision JUST FOR THE DRAMA(at one time in my life I liked drama-had Corvettes, etc). But I didn't and I'm happy. Just my .02
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With the gas situation as it is I'm surprised more of the posters here have not discussed the obvious. No Gold wing will get me from Atlanta to Asheville and dang near back on one tank and do it with the aplomb and sporting feel than and RT or even an LT or K 12 GT would.

That said, when I think of myself as a bit more gearatic , I'd definitly succumb to the charms of the GW. The one thing you gotta give them , is packaging. For twenty large you drive away with everything you need to do an iron butt with a mate and come out of it eleven days with a but you can still sit on without wincing.

All the standard features should not be ignored either, but thirty mpg don't cut it with me , hell my mini cooper gives me better than that and the maintenance schedule is much less punitive.

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love my LT. and it will be the same for the wingnutz.. and the hog riderz.

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Stixx--You're right that the LT gets better milage than the Wing; but my experience is not down in the 30MPG range. YMMV. My wife and I tour at 65-75 indicated and average is right about 40. That's with less than 4,000 miles on the bike. I'll check this next week when we'll be riding about 2,500 miles with a lot of sightseeing. Hopefully, it'll start to increase a little. When I'm alone, I actually get lower milage. Throttle twisting and all.
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I was in the market for a GW1800 2001 or newer.

Test drove it and have cousins driving em. After one spin on the LT I was sold. The BMW will out maneuver, out perform, it is centered ahead for perfect riding. Harley riders will always come over and check out your LT but the Gold wing will not get as much attention. It rides like a car with 2 wheels.

Regarding quality.. I would take the Honda. The darn thing is bullet proof. While the BMW requires a large pocket book for routine maintenance and if something is broken, good gosh. Honda's dont break, period.

Rumour has it that Honda's R&D is looking at a make over on the Goldwing again. Next bike for me is BMW (we are all waiting for the new touring) unless Honda can show me a bike that performs better on the road.. Nod to BMW.
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Stixx--You're right that the LT gets better milage than the Wing; but my experience is not down in the 30MPG range. YMMV. My wife and I tour at 65-75 indicated and average is right about 40. That's with less than 4,000 miles on the bike. I'll check this next week when we'll be riding about 2,500 miles with a lot of sightseeing. Hopefully, it'll start to increase a little. When I'm alone, I actually get lower milage. Throttle twisting and all.
That would be great for you to do that. Very informative indeed. I suspect the same rider would get less on the wing, more HP more weight = less efficiency , i.e. less mileage. Nevertheless, I'd never rule out a wing and in fact if the dealers would have put me on one the way the Beemer store did I might be riding one as we speak. I'm not really all that convinced a Wing wont perform. The mass would say maybe not like my RT but that only represents 50 percent of my riding the other fifty I would love a Wing I'm sure especially when I'm two up and slabbing.

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as a happily married man, i understand looking at other women. but looking at other bikes, in a lustful way? shame on you!!!!
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Having said all that, Hondas just seem to lack something. I call it the tupperware effect. Tupperware does it's job almost pefectly but I don't stand at the door to the garage and stare at it.


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Exactly

I rode an '07 'Wing last week, nice enough bike but the wife and I are both drawn to the LT...it just looks better. The 'Wing looks boxy and boring and to me the LT is kinda sexy.
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I've had three of both
+ 5 R1200RT's. O.K., I have issues.
But that aside, I believe that the GW is a fine machine. Like most bikes it requires some tweaking, the seat, windshield and suspension for examples.
My 08 GW has about $3k in suspension work that has transformed the handling to what I rate as near BMW quality. Not quite, but closer. I am still looking for that windshield that will reduce the buffeting . The LT greatly exceeds the GW airflow's control. This may account for the poor gas mileage in the GW..
To me the GW's performance advantage is due to it's "granny " 1st gear . Great for slow speeds and trailer towing . Having 6 cylinders and 600 more cc's also helps.
The LT's , again, to me , advantage is that it is a motorcycle not just a machine.It has a motorcycle's character and visceral feel. It is just more satisfying to ride.
Read the GW forums. They complain about everything.
The common request for the 2010 GW is an automatic transmission and an electrically adjustable wind shield.
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Read the GW forums. They complain about everything.
From the outside looking in, that's true with the LT here. In fact I don't visit the LT section because it's so damn depressing.

When trying to decide between R1200RT, K1200GT, and K1200LT, It was the voices of LT owners that have turned me away from the K1200LT.
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