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Brave and brazen at the same time ... if they are serious to follow this route then they will go the route that many of the iconic American trucks and cars are going ... when the Europeans and Japanese started making smaller and more efficient cars by the end of the 70's GM and Ford frowned upon them ... well today the stock market tells the full story when you look at the share prices of car manufacturers around the the globe. GM is in dire trouble and Ford is closing down plants and selling off acquisitions to try and save the name. Hyundai is the 5th biggest car maker in the world where they were nothing serious 5 years ago.

I am obviously not an American and can only speak from what I see in the press and on TV but globally the consumers are calling for greener and leaner transport and I doubt if HD will escape the turn of the tide.

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Perhaps some folks will miss the point. That point being that Harley DOES get good mileage for the most part. Most Japanese bikes do not get fifty mpg in the Harley weight class ....


My RT gets fifty all day long and worst I ever get in town or flogging it in the mountains is high forties. One of the main reasons I bought another Beemer was the high mileage even though the maintenance costs make that somewhat moot overall.

The problem with Harleys is the image. I just can not see me riding any Bike that automatically makes me seem like a red neck "biker'

I hope no one thinks I look down on those who embrace the leather studded motorcyclist , it is just not my style. I love Harleys and the look of some of them , and have even seen a few Buels that I thought were cool. But I don't need to have loud pipes and chrome in my life at my age , I rather like the more Teutonic sounds and feelings of a proper set up Euro machine or rice burner.. I love the sound of my twin working hard at five grand through a mountain pass and no I don't think a whole lot about mileage during those runs but it is fun to know I can leave the house and return on the same tank of gas five hours later..............heh heh

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Perhaps some folks will miss the point. That point being that Harley DOES get good mileage for the most part. Most Japanese bikes do not get fifty mpg in the Harley weight class ...
Oh Puh-leeze! Name me a HD model outside the Sportster 883 class that gets 50 MPG? And that's only if you baby her down the road.


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My friend's '08 Road Glide consistently gets 60mpg at 65 mph.
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My friend's '08 Road Glide consistently gets 60mpg at 65 mph.
I doubt it...and who rides at 65??

On a related note - local dealer told me VRod gets about 27 mpg.

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My friend's '08 Road Glide consistently gets 60mpg at 65 mph.
And Angelina Jolie comes by to offer me blowjobs every day at 4pm.


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And Angelina Jolie comes by to offer me blowjobs every day at 4pm.
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Cycle World lists the fuel milage of a Road King at 42 mpg in the October issue.
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HMMMM... Maybe I should buy a Harley? I only get 41mpg on my LT, But then again, I ride it.

I guess anyone could get 50MPG if they only ever ride 40-45 mph everywhere, like most Hardly riders.

Beside the Hardly costume parties make the riders look stupid.
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I bet I could get 50mpg on a Harley at 10,000 feet of altitude.



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My friend's '08 Road Glide consistently gets 60mpg at 65 mph.
60 mpg from a harley...YA--RIGHT I don't know what your smoken but it must be some good stuff.
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My wife and I went for a nice ride today. After 180 miles my wife filled the tank with 3.8 gallons that is 47.37 MPG and I used 3.6 Gallons that is 50 MPG on my GT. Nice ride to Portland maine for Bfast some shopping, that mean some city riding included and Highway. I am glad that she found a MC that is low for her and we can have good rides. My 2 Cents


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The times I have ridden a Harley, my butt hurt long before I could burn much gas. The appeal to nationalism and chauvinism is starting to sound out of touch in world more inter-dependent by the day. I suspect there are more people with good jobs in the U.S selling and servicing imported motorcycles than there are building American bikes.
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I doubt it...and who rides at 65??

On a related note - local dealer told me VRod gets about 27 mpg.
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Oh Puh-leeze! Name me a HD model outside the Sportster 883 class that gets 50 MPG? And that's only if you baby her down the road.
my 1200C got 50, and more. I didn't exactly baby it......

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I bet I could get 50mpg on a Harley at 10,000 feet of altitude.
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And that's only if you baby her down the road.
Hey I passed a couple of those guys today -- slower than cars on Hwy 9. I may only get 42 mpg, but I have a hell of a lot more fun doing it!
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HMMMM... Maybe I should buy a Harley? I only get 41mpg on my LT, But then again, I ride it.

I guess anyone could get 50MPG if they only ever ride 40-45 mph everywhere, like most Hardly riders.

Beside the Hardly costume parties make the riders look stupid.
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That's what I want to be a part of...



Finally someone who gets the point I was trying to make. I know PLENTY of Hogs that deliever consistent mileage for the very reason they are chugging along all day at just over a grand on the tack. Would I enjoy that kind of riding. I don't think so. But I respect it and even envy the laid back take in the scenery hot momma on back kind of attitude. That it is not me is a matter of grace, Lord knows I don't need the distraction and at the speeds those guys slug through the twisties I'd fall off from sheer bordom. (Low attention span)

But They are not trying to sell Hogs to Beemer riders, even their marketing department are not that good. Besides , who in the heck wants a whole bike full of chrome to have to clean. Plastic. Now that I can hose it off and I'm done in what ten minutes. LOL

Maybe if you guys get your LT's to run at 1200 rpm and cruise all day that way you can get fifty mpg as well. LOL yeah like that's going to happen.

Bottom line , it is definitly a lifestyle decision, I'll stick with the jugs on my beemer and the growl in her belly and still enjoy fifty mpg even at four times the rpm. Long live the magic of german twins.

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Hello, Jeff.

Just to see for myself, I followed the link visible on the image you have captured in your post which leads to a page on the Harley-Davidson web site. The text there is different than what the image you have shows. I'll quote it:

"America, please don't buy a Harley because it gets 50mpg
History has shaped this tank. not the whims of foreign oil
American workers pour their soul into it. Let's fill the tank
That gives back more than we put in. So, screw it, let's ride"

I'm not reproducing the text art effects, image of tank, H-D logo and copyright and additional non relevant text due to space, relevancy and message editor limitations.

My only interest here is accuracy. I have no idea where the image in your post came from, but it seems to have been subject to image editing/manipulating.

Oh, BTW, I did browse through the H-D site looking for another copy image and/or web page that duplicated what you have posted, but was unable to locate anything other than the page as listed above. This slogan and image appear to be part of a 2008 marketing campaign related to the 105th H-D anniversary.

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My only interest here is accuracy. I have no idea where the image in your post came from, but it seems to have been subject to image editing/manipulating.
It's also possible that HD updated the site to remove or change the ad. It's a flash site so the wayback machine isn't going to be of much help.
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My '07 Deuce has a high flow air intake system, Supertrapp exhaust (which is deep and mellow, but not loud at all), and I have a Power commander PCIII USB to control my EFI. I can get 50 mpg, and trust me, I don't baby the bike at all. With my LT, one up I usually get 51+, two up, 49+, and it's not babied either.
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That is the exact sign that appears in a local HD Shop.

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Harley's may not get 50 mpg, but I have a friend who rides an 07 Road King, and we often ride together. So our riding style, mileage etc is pretty close, esp when we ride together. When we fill up, he is always within a few tenths of a gallon of me on my LT. In fact, we recently rode to Missouri, and on the trip home, he got better gas mileage than I did. We were always in the high 40's.
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It would be nice if all cruiser owners would take up H-D's call to ride their bikes...

There are millions of cruisers owned in America, but I seldom see them on Monday morning. I only see them in numbers from Friday afternoon to Sunday afternoon. It is obvious that the owners consider them as "parade" or show bikes and can't conceive that they might be a great tool for commuting. From gas standpoint, you can argue mileage forever, but I hear most get over 40 mpg. If 20 million of them were dragged out of storage and used daily, the amount of gas used by the riders would be half to a third of their pickups or SUV's.
It would be like taking 40 to 60 million cars off the street. A striking number.

In contrast, I see tons of new scooters and retro Japanese bikes that do come out of the garage, tuned up and used. Very few additional cruisers made the week long show.

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All I know is whenever I want to go for a ride, my Softail starts right up - EVERY time, runs flawlessly, has not needed ANY service work done other than the scheduled maintainence, and my SO and I very much enjoy riding it. It's by FAR the best looking motorcycle I have ever owned, and for me it is a great experience having a bike that can be trusted. Oh well, I'd love to write more, but I need to go down to the garage and fix the leaky fork seals on the LT........................seriously.

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I doubt it...and who rides at 65??

On a related note - local dealer told me VRod gets about 27 mpg.
With a full take of gas I rode a HD Softail from Yuma AZ to Mission Viejo CA.

257 miles, used 4.09 gallons. That equates to 63 MPG. And people do drive at 65MPH. I Do/Did.
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Perhaps some folks will miss the point. That point being that Harley DOES get good mileage for the most part. Most Japanese bikes do not get fifty mpg in the Harley weight class ....
Although not a "current" bike, my 1980 Honda Gold Wing (1100cc back in those days) would consistently pull 50+ mpg. I averaged close to 52mpg on a run from Butte, MT to Enid, OK back in '83. The '80 Wing weighs in at around 650 lbs, about the same as most of the non full-dresser Harleys.
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With a full take of gas I rode a HD Softail from Yuma AZ to Mission Viejo CA.

257 miles, used 4.09 gallons. That equates to 63 MPG. And people do drive at 65MPH. I Do/Did.
God bless those Santa Ana winds, huh?!

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I ride a 1999 RT, don't baby it, and get mileage in the high 40s. I don't own a Harley, don't care for all that flashy trim, but do like some of those lean and clean custom choppers with the V-twin. It's a different bike for a different mood. The Boxer and the V-twin come from two different engineering backgrounds. Both have gobs of low-end torque and each has their particular gut-growl when you open the throttle. Me-I prefer two jugs 180 degrees from another; you can't beat the physics of a boxer for smoothness at speed (idle is a different story!). What bothers me about the this ad is how it seems incongruous with what really happens in large manufacturing organizations. Both Harley (even after shuffling off AMF) and BMW have quality problems. They are made by assembly line workers who are being run ragged all day which leaves little time to put one's heart into it. Those who buy BMWs (like me) may be attracted to the reputation of those meticulous Germans (my parents are Krauts), without knowing that the their bike was made probably by a foreign guest worker with no passion for motorcycles, rather than some dedicated soul. Perhaps the only bikes left that epitomize quality are high-end custom choppers. But I digress. If mileage is the concern, but a Toyota Prius or a Diesel Volkswagen. Both get better mileage that either of our bikes and that at four to five times the mass.
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Hey guys, my point wasn't to slam the bike. I'm sure there are plenty of HD owners that love their bikes and the bike provides exactly what they are looking for. Hell, I rode a Fat Boy for over a year.

There are two things wrong with this ad campaign...

1) It tries (unsuccessfully in my mind) to portray a HD motorcycle as more fuel efficient than most motorcycles (note the really fine print at the bottom of the ad).

2) It continues this notion that riding is all about image. I mean, "Let's ride to parties like Rock Stars". Give me a fucking break. Yep, let's go from party to party, all drunk or drugged up, with no protective gear, and act like a bunch of pretentious jerks.

Note: I did not say HD riders are like that, but I am saying HD's ad campaign does nothing but a disservice to HD riders (and all riders) by perpetuating that stereotype.


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Harley Davidson doesn't sell motorcycles, they sell a life style, and it pisses me off. Like I've said before, I have an '07 Deuce, and it's by far my favorite motorcycle of all times. I absolutely love it. I don't own any leathers, no chaps, no skull caps, no doo-rags or fingerless gloves. I just like the bike. Mine's not loud, and I don't have ape hangers. I ride the thing hard, not from bar to bar, and I don't play holloween dress-up when I ride. No flames, no skulls. In fact my primary cover is custom engraved with dragon flies.
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It's also possible that HD updated the site to remove or change the ad. It's a flash site so the wayback machine isn't going to be of much help.
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Good point, I hadn't thought of that at the time. Thanks.

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Hey guys, my point wasn't to slam the bike. I'm sure there are plenty of HD owners that love their bikes and the bike provides exactly what they are looking for. Hell, I rode a Fat Boy for over a year.

There are two things wrong with this ad campaign...

1) It tries (unsuccessfully in my mind) to portray a HD motorcycle as more fuel efficient than most motorcycles (note the really fine print at the bottom of the ad).

2) It continues this notion that riding is all about image. I mean, "Let's ride to parties like Rock Stars". Give me a fucking break. Yep, let's go from party to party, all drunk or drugged up, with no protective gear, and act like a bunch of pretentious jerks.

Note: I did not say HD riders are like that, but I am saying HD's ad campaign does nothing but a disservice to HD riders (and all riders) by perpetuating that stereotype.
Hi, Jeff. Now I understand. And Bonafiedbob's suggestion that H-D changed the ad on the web site would fit well with the idea that a cooler head in the corporation mandated it be toned down. I agree with you. Thanks, Jeff.

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Why is it that riders of other makes of motorcycles care so much about what Harley Davidson does?
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Why is it that riders of other makes of motorcycles care so much about what Harley Davidson does?
Because among the general public Harley riders is what people think of when they think "motorcyclist".

I'm an ATGATT guy who wears bright colored textile suits and a white flip up helmet. The bikes I've owned have been a Yamaha Seca II, Kawasaki GPZ1100, Honda Hawk NT650, and BMW K1200GT. Yet my own mother keeps sending me Harley gifts!
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Does the general public have a problem with Harley riders?
I'm sure many of them do, just as many of them do not. But the point isn't that the general public has a problem or not, just that the stereotypes of a Harley rider (not to mention Harley's marketing strategy) do not fit me at all, and I'm not even remotely interested in Harley accessories or lifestyle paraphernalia.

The only problem I have with Harley riders is that they don't check their mirrors often enough or wave me by when I'm behind them.
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Does the general public have a problem with Harley riders?
Yes. In many places they do. In the year and a half I had the Fat Boy, I had several incidents of that perception problem. Everything from the anti-biker attitude coming from merchants, to out and out descrimination, to threats.

Since I've gone to the BMW, there are very few of those incidents. And I'm sure if I were on a Japanese sport bike, they'd go back up. But overall, since there so many HD riders out there, they are perceived as drink-to-ride, noisy, and self-centered biker trash. The formation riding blocking miles of roads probably accounts for much of the problem, but noise, and the crowd that does the ride-to-drink thing are a big problem.


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All I know is whenever I want to go for a ride, my Softail starts right up - EVERY time, runs flawlessly, has not needed ANY service work done other than the scheduled maintainence, and my SO and I very much enjoy riding it. It's by FAR the best looking motorcycle I have ever owned, and for me it is a great experience having a bike that can be trusted. Oh well, I'd love to write more, but I need to go down to the garage and fix the leaky fork seals on the LT........................seriously.
That's good . I try not to bash any bike. Hey, there are real riders on HD's. One of my neighbors rides his every day, rain, shine, snow. More than me... for other reasons. I do't like em precisely for the image they are trying to portray, and the "market" they are obviously going for. I don't know how to show up to the party like a rock star, and I don't wanna show up to the party like a rock star. If I show up at the party, it'll probly be in a cab, cause I know what I'll usually do once at the party.
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If I was so worried about saving gas, I wouldn't even buy a bike!

I ride for enjoyment. 25 0r 55 mpg makes no difference to me.

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If I was so worried about saving gas, I wouldn't even buy a bike!

I ride for enjoyment. 25 0r 55 mpg makes no difference to me.

well you make a point , I suppose, besides . With BMW , the tunups and tire bills pretty much cancel out any savings at the pump. Still it is nice to be able to drive all the way from Atlanta to Asheville and fill up on four gallons instead of ten or eleven at four bucks it makes you feel good to know that riding can be fun especially when you aren't wasting as much .

Until I got a bike , I never just "went for a ride in the mountains" any more. Just seem wasteful. Exception being when I run with the MINI club on a scenic fall run . Heck my MINI gets almost as good mileage as my bike if you squeeze it right and I don't need rain gear. LOL

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Good call, Colyn. I can't imagine why H-D would ever advertise WAY INFLATED fuel economy numbers.
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Oh Puh-leeze! Name me a HD model outside the Sportster 883 class that gets 50 MPG? And that's only if you baby her down the road.
Shit Jeff, you just posted exactly what I was thinking! All my H-D buddies are claiming 35-38, MAX. I'm not even sure why H-D would even mention fuel economy? I don't know ANYONE that bought a H-D for gas mileage.
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....I am saying HD's ad campaign does nothing but a disservice to HD riders (and all riders) by perpetuating that stereotype.
I would add that the mention of inflated fuel economy numbers is not consistent with their image that they have spent decades building.

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Re: Harley Davidson says "screw fuel mileage"

I was one of those "die-hard" Harley riders for many years,
I was real happy to get 30-35 mpg,
I also lost interest in HD with my discovery of BMW motorcycles
and the beginning of the "rolex riders" / "pirate costume" trend
so to be honest I have no idea what kind of mileage the "newer" HD's are gettin.

I do believe the ad borderlines on "false advertising" and should be corrected.
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