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I am going visit in-laws in germany, leaving on July 25th. I will be renting a bike from a BMW dealer in Sankt Wendel in germany which is in the Saarland area not far from Neuenkirchen for a few days. I want to take a trip down thru the Black Forest and down into the Alps in Switzerland. I have been looking at maps and google earth but have no idea where to go in Switzerland. Money is going to be tight because the almighty dollar ain't worth a shit. Any guidance on places to go, cheap places to stay while I am there. I will be traveling solo so it does not have to be a fancy place to stay.
I am hoping to rent a 1200 GS but may end up on a 800GS or RT. See what they have. I have rented a K1200RS in 2000 from them before and went to Austria. They were very accomadating with helmet and such. I would Like to take my Aerostich but it doesn't pack very well. Will probably take some long johns and a leather jacket and of course my frogg toggs. Like I said any help is greatly appreciated.
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Marc,

I can highly recommend these 3 hotels in Germany, the last one being more biker orientated, depending of course where you will be.

www.palmspring.de/
www.hotel-sturm.com/daten/motorradfahren.php
www.hotelzurpost-klotten.de


Switzerland is small so you can get to most places pretty quickly. Lucerne is worth a visit, Geneva not really as far as I am concerned. The whole country is outstandingly beautiful, clean and well organised, and where it say´s max speed 100 kph, they mean it !.

This should be of help www.motor-bike-hotels.com/english/index.htm

You will have a fantastic trip, $ permitting.

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http://www.motor-bike-hotels.com/eng...ex_schwarz.htm

http://www.bikerbetten.de/cms/

http://www.tourenfahrer-hotels.de/

These are just some of the great biker friendly hotel sites we use.

#1 on Klotten. Bettina was really nice and the setting is fantastic.
Starting out from the Hotel and a few minuets later along side the Mossel River
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Thanks for the links I will definetly be checking these out this evening.

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My wife and I spent 3 weeks running around the Alps a few years back. We didn't use a tour operator and never had any trouble finding decent accommodations and great food.

Be sure to pick up a copy of Motorcycle Journeys Through the Alps & Corsica by John Hermann. It is a fabulous resource for motorcyclists, and you can really build up the excitement level by doing some pre-planning in the evenings before your trip.

And take lots of pics so you can share on your return.

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Hilton,

Travel consultant ?. That´s what I want to be when I grow up. Does it go on expenses ?.

I am sometimes wary of small hotels, which are really glorified chalets, that advertise themselves as being biker friendly, as sometimes the prices charged have no relation to the services given, whereas bigger places tend to offer more for the same, or even less, money.

I suppose it all depends on the enviroment that one is comfortable in. Me, I prefer a bit of luxury after a hard day in the saddle.

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Meese,

Have put the book on my wish list, especially after I have read that it includes the Pyrenees and Picos de Europa.

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I want to take a trip down thru the Black Forest and down into the Alps in Switzerland. I have been looking at maps and google earth but have no idea where to go in Switzerland. Any guidance on places to go, cheap places to stay while I am there.
Check the first two posts in the Alps Motorcycle Tours - Priced Right thread.

There you'll find links to lists of motorcycle friendly accomodations as well as maps.

Since money is tight, in the second post, there is a link to the ADAC Motorradtouren maps that you can download FREE. They provide tour suggestions. Good maps and the ADAC Motorradtouren maps are all you really need to plan your routes.

Be prepared for €1.50 (about US$9 per US gallon) per liter gas prices. Last month, I paid as high as €1.709 per liter for the high test.
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Good thread.

This $ to € exchange rate plus the high gas prices must be a real bummer for visitors from the other side of the Atlantic.

The way I look at it is a) at least there is gas available and b) I´m not getting any younger.
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This $ to € exchange rate plus the high gas prices must be a real bummer for visitors from the other side of the Atlantic.
In 4 weeks of touring Europe and the Alps, I spent €636.36 in fuel (just over CA$1000). One fill-up on my GS Adventure on my charge card ran me CA$76.80. Wow!

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The way I look at it is a) at least there is gas available and b) I´m not getting any younger.
Exactly. When on vacation, I don't worry about those details. The fact that I'm not on an "organized" tour by itself already saves me thousands of dollars on a 10 -14 day tour; double or triple those savings for my 4 week tour.
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" Hilton,

Travel consultant ?. That´s what I want to be when I grow up. Does it go on expenses ?. "

Hi Simon,
No not really. Long story short, it's just easier than the inevitable
" But your too young to be retired "

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Which is normally always said by people who wish they could be, but can´t.

As someone who isn´t a travel consultant ( yet ), I hope your consultancy takes you far and wide for many years to come.
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I apologize that I have just seen this. I travel to Switzerland at least 4-6 times per year. I have not ridden while there, yet. I have many clients who I visit, and most of them ride. I would HIGHLY recommend the area in and around Montreux.

My wife and I have traveled all over the world, and Montreux is our favorite. It is on the banks of Lake Geneva (Lac Leman in French) it sits in a valley with the French alps and the city of Evian on one side and the Swiss alps on the other.

The ride from Montreux to Gruyeres de Molsson is less than an hour in some of the most incredible scenery you will ever experience on this Earth. This is where the Gruyeres cheese was first made. There is a castle in the main town, with a fully restored village surrounding it. The castle is a must see and you can stop in any one of the cafes and have a cheese fondue that is absolutely marvelous. For a single person the fondue with a drink will set you back 10-15 Euro, worth every penny and one of the real bargains for the area.

The ride from Montreux to Aosta Italy is a mountain run that, in my opinion, has no equal. It will take you about two and a half hours, one way and there is amazing food all along the city center and piazza (central plaza).

Montreux to Leysin is a ride through the high mountains that also is without equal. While less than an hour from Montreux, it is breathtakingly beautiful. Your only problem with riding it will be your desire to stop constantly to take pictures.

Please e-mail me if you have ANY questions. I think this would be a trip to remember for a lifetime.

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This place is near to Montreaux, which John mentions above.

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If you're concerned about how well your 'stitch will pack, ship it to your first hotel, use it while there, and then ship it back home when you're done. If you use economy shipping, it won't be that terrible, and you'll thank yourself later when you have the gear that A) keeps you safe, and B) is most comfortable to your body.

Also, don't underestimate the extremes of weather you'll encounter in a European summer. The first time I went over, it was May, and I had to have a "real" jacket shipped to meet me later in my trip. I was still chilly most places I was going, and I couldn't afford to buy a quality local jacket. That was just backpacking...would've been much worse if I'd been riding a motorcycle at 65+ mph everywhere.
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and where it say´s max speed 100 kph, they mean it !.

This is soooooooo true! On one of my trips I returned home to receive a total of seven speeding tickets, all from well-placed cameras in Switzerland. When it says 100kmh, especially on tunnel entrances or exits, they mean it.

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and by the way, ticket prices(ie the ones you get for speeding) went up in alot of countries this year(I think EU thing). Plus Germany, which actually had the cheapest ticket prices, is now in line with the other EU countries; sooooo
remember the following:
Normally, 100 KM/h on highways
50 KM/h in cities and towns(when you go into every town there will be a sign with its name on it, when you leave it will have the name and a diagonal line through it)
German autobahn: 120-130 in many places now, unless it gives you the black and white lollipop with line through it, which means fun time!!

If you get a ticket, it will probably be by camera, so watch it.

Watch the speed in construction zones, they will crush you on this one.

Dont drink and drive, you will not be happy with the Polizei giving you a blood test on the spot, and 1 German Beer will put you over the limit!!!!!! Try a Radler(essentially Sprite and Beer-I have almost gotten used to it). They will really really really crush you on this one. Have the beers after you settle in for the night!!

You are arriving at the busiest time of year on roads here, ie most Europeans take vacation from late July-mid Sept. Be prepared for a Stau(traffic jams).

Take the Landstrasses(basically the old main routes before the autobahns where built), they are fast, good roads, and no Staus!! They will be much prettier too.


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Thanks to everyone for the great advice. Looks like I am a go and am getting real excited. I have been using google earth and checking out some of the routes and OH YEA I am excited.
Again thanks to everyone for their help

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If you get the chance, the road to Gotthard pass (through Andermatt) is incredible! From the pass, you can look down into Italy. Incredible views, and a great bike route.

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Be sure to pick up a copy of Motorcycle Journeys Through the Alps & Corsica by John Hermann. It is a fabulous resource for motorcyclists, and you can really build up the excitement level by doing some pre-planning in the evenings before your trip.
I met Hermann in the Alps. I told him that I had his book. He said, "Yea, sure. That's what everone says." Then he turned around and walked off. What a jerk. But his book is very informative.

mpillis, when I was stationed in Germany I visited the BMW dealer in Sankt Wendel many times. I didn't know that they rented bikes. Have a great time on your trip!!

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Dont drink and drive, you will not be happy with the Polizei giving you a blood test on the spot, and 1 German Beer will put you over the limit!!!!!! Try a Radler(essentially Sprite and Beer-I have almost gotten used to it). They will really really really crush you on this one. Have the beers after you settle in for the night!!
Or you can drink the alcohol-free beer. Good taste. No buzz.

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If you get over to Munich, head down to Garmisch(kinda touristy) then on past to Mittenwald, Lermoos, Erhwald and back to Garmisch. This is the test ride loop they ride for the BMW Bikers Days in July. Man it is just unbelievable to ride down there. I head for the Alps as often as possible!!
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I just saw you are in Union Ky, I am from Louisville, my sister lives up in Cinci, she is an IT Mngr there, used to work for Siemens up there. Man, definately shoot me an email or give me a call when you get over here, I would love to show you the sites if I have some time. When do you get here? I assume you fly into FRA? Good to see a fellow Ky-ian on a BMW!! I have some shots of our travels in Europe and Motorcycle stuff on our Smugmug site:
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A local Kentuckian, small world. I am arriving in Fra on July 26th and leaving on the 8/9. I just called the renal company and I may not be able to get a GS and it is expensive. I will be staying with my in-laws in Oberkirchen not far from Sankt Wendel.

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If you get the chance, the road to Gotthard pass (through Andermatt) is incredible!
Just make sure you take the "old" road that is cobblestoned. The other two possibilities are boring.
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I met Hermann in the Alps. I told him that I had his book. He said, "Yea, sure. That's what everone says." Then he turned around and walked off. What a jerk. But his book is very informative.
I met John on the Ofenpass in 2002. He was there with three of his riding buddies from the US, pictured alongside/behind him. Actually, he approached me as he saw a rider in a red Aerostich suit, asking me where I was from.

I have his first two books, but I've never used them for any planning. I found good maps took me to more interesting roads since I am a back roads - off the beaten path rider to the extreme. All I do is check off where I've been in his books.

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Try these guys, they arent far from where you will be, probably only a 30min drive tops. At least go down there and get a tshirt and a coffee. I lived in "Ktown", as we americans call it, for 2 years.

http://www.bmw-motorrad-kl.de/

Although, I believe all BMW dealers that rent bikes use the same pricing, but may be worth an email to the guy below:

There is a tab at top for English, the guy to speak to is Uwe (pronounced U-vee) he is the "man" at Kaiserslautern. Good guy. They are now a US spec dealer also. He speaks english too.

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I remember k-town and 20 mark strasse. LOL. Probably 20 euro strasse now. Thanks for the info. I notice it is cheaper but they limit you to 1500 km per week. I will chew up 1500km in 3 days. The site does not say how much it costs if you go over 1500km. But I will be calling them tomorrow morning. Thanks for the info.

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I notice it is cheaper but they limit you to 1500 km per week.
Try Allround Vermietung in Frankfurt. They have very good weekly rates for current model motorcycles (the 2nd and subsequent weeks are even cheaper) which includes 2500 kms per week which is about all you need if you ride the Alps.

Knopf Motorradreisen in Heidelberg offers the cheapest rates, unlimited mileage as well as airport pick-up and a B&B.
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