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post #1 of 18 Old Jul 8th, 2008, 10:43 pm Thread Starter
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You never know, do you??

You never think that it will happen to you but on the way home tonight I was stopped at a STOP sign, at a T- intersection, looking right to see if the coast was clear before I took a left to continue homeward. There was approaching traffic from the right only and it looked like the lead vehicle, an SUV with a woman on a cell phone, was going to stop to let me go left. I donít believe I moved and I had both feet down. Before I know it she cuts sharply down my street, hard left. Her left front tire bounced off the outer left side of my front tire on the way by and sort of yanked the K1200LT out of my grip, snagging the silver plastic trim piece on the left side of the front fender and partially popping it out of place. This caused the K to go over landing on the left lowered peg and bracket from Suburban Machine that I installed in April. It took the complete hit with the bottom corner of it burying itself into the asphalt, serving as the only point of contact of the K with the pavement. That was lucky!

So there I am straddling the K, kind of funny now that I think of it, and cursing the hell out of the other driver with the bike lying there between my legs, full-face helmet muffling my disgust in the late afternoon NE humidity. She gets out and comes up to me and says, "I didnít see you!" Weíve heard that one before, havenít we? How could she have seen me with the cell phone buried in her shoulder for support and her mind on other things? She said she was talking to her husband, and that she wasnít feeling well and that she had her son in the back seat. Not sure I heard her say "Sorry!" though. Come to find out, she works at the same place I do and I had never met her until tonight. I better warn all the other riders that I work with about her promptly and keep an eye out for her myself since she might try doing something like this again in one of the parking lots at work.

Back to what happened; I tried righting the K by myself but knew better not to demonstrate any heroics. Being a fairly busy intersection, in a matter of a minute along comes a good Samaritan male person and the K was righted in seconds almost effortlessly it seemed from our combined effort, as I put it on the road shoulder with emergency flashers flashing. The police showed up and we exchanged paperwork. They said they werenít citing either of us since I was past the white line at the STOP sign based on the hole in the pavement left from the peg and that they were not witnesses to the accident. The only way to look left or right at that intersection was to roll past the white due to overgrowth of shrubs on either side of intersection, IMHO, but I didnít argue that at the time that the officer was talking.

I pick up the accident report tomorrow. Weíll see what it says. I donít think that the K received any damage as I was able to pop the trim piece back into place after driving it home and didnít notice anything else upon closer inspection once back in the garage. I still might get it checked out this weekend just to play it safe but plan on riding into work as if nothing happened. Iím not sure if the front fork took just a glancing blow or more direct hit or not. Need to find that out for sure.

I consider myself very lucky. Another foot or two and I probably wouldnít be thinking in sentences right now, never mind breathing.

I was proud of how I handled myself as I try to work on my riding technique though I donít ride as much as I would like due to time constraints with family and work. I am being reminded of how well designed the K is, for these unfortunate times. Itís a solid motorcycle in more ways than just the obvious ones and proved tonight that it can definitely take a punch from an SUV.

Just venting here but thatís what we do. It all happened so quickly that I couldnít believe it.

Ride smart and safe and say your prayers too!!


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post #2 of 18 Old Jul 8th, 2008, 11:24 pm
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Re: You never know, do you??

That was close, glad your ok! I had a women on a cell phone look over at me then turn into my lane, when I laid on the Naultis air horn her eyes blinked like she was supprised I was there.

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Re: You never know, do you??

So, if you're just slightly over the white line, at a COMPLETE STOP, it's okay to hit you?
Think I'll just clip the next pedestrian crossing the street when not in the crosswalk. What the heck, I'll just tell the Fitchburg cop he/she was not in the lines, and I didn't see them.
Glad you're okay, but that is BS. Hope the LT is fine. Telle and I are planning to host a "Tire Pressure Clinic" in Oxford sometime in August. Very intense: check your tire pressures, fill if needed (compressor provided) and then jump in the pool and relax.
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Glad you and your ride are OK. It brings up a seasonal issue for bikers and others - overgrown intersections. I commonly find obstructed stop signs and other road signs, not to mention obstructed views at intersections and call local law enforecement folks to tip them off. Overall they seem pretty non-interested and write it off to the maintenance folks.

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Thanks for the kind words. It's going down to Wagner's in Worcester tomorrow night.

They're going to pull the nose plastic off and check the forks and all. Found a tab stop metal like object on the road at the crash site.

Will keep you posted....Tech session in Central MA perhaps

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Re: You never know, do you??

It's hard to explain, when on a bike, but people will appear to look right at you and then act as if you are not there! That's without a cell phone stuck in their ear.

With a cell phone, it's worse. Driving and talking on a cell phone is the same as being legally intoxicated. I always assume people in cars around me do not know I am there. Bikes seem to be invisible except to the law. I always act as if "they" are out to get me!

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Glad to hear you're OK, not to mention your bike. That sounded scary. It sounds like you were very controlled given the situation, not sure I'd have behaved as well.

So far this year I've been fairly lucky, no real close calls. I had a lady pull through and intersection in front of me without ever looking my way a couple weeks ago, but I saw her all the way. I waited until she got right in front of me and laid the horn on. I was no more than 10 feet from her by then so I really got her attention. Hope she learned something.

No cell phone on this one, just never turned her head to look left. The funny thing is I was on a one way street and she did look the other way. The only traffic coming from that direction would have had to be coming the wrong way. Weird. She was probably late for work or something and not really paying attention.

Everyone be safe and keep your eyes open. Sometimes it does appear they're out to get you.

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I always act as if "they" are out to get me!
And in both cases (drivers and cops) you are probably right.
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[size=2]....The police showed up and we exchanged paperwork. They said they werenít citing either of us since I was past the white line at the STOP sign based on the hole in the pavement left from the peg and that they were not witnesses to the accident....
That has to be the stupidest thing I've ever heard! Did Deputy Fife show up?!

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Re: You never know, do you??

Over here she would have got done big time for being on the phone. Her phone records would have been incriminating enough.

Sounds like you need a law over there like that

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Email to a friend about last night's ride to Dealer:

Dave,

That air of confidence, go-anywhere feeling that I've always had on my K1200, got up and went. The ride to Worcester last night was a sad, cautious one as there's definitely something wrong with the front end.

It's in good hands at Max's and they were going to go over it with a fine-tooth comb once they pull the plastic off. At least the person that hit me is paying for all this, which is the only upside to this so far. At least I found someone to buy me a new mirror. I should know by the end of day on Tuesday what the estimate will be. We'll see.

Don't work too hard from home there pardner. And don't knock your beer over while you're logged into work. They might smell it on their end...Both K-bikes getting crash estimates at the same time. What are the odds of that?

Leaving at 2:30PM today...Heading magnetic North by 6....Later and hope to see you....Rick

P.S. I'll be driving my Pontiac to work on Wednesday, Ride to Work day, the way things are looking.....

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After having Wagner's check it out the Insurance said it was totaled with a cracked frame. Frame replacement with labor was close to 10k so they totalled it. Checks in the mail to me next week. Hard to believe.....Thought I'd mention it....Now what do I buy? Another LT? Have the weekend to think about....More to come....have a good one....

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After having Wagner's check it out the Insurance said it was totaled with a cracked frame. Frame replacement with labor was close to 10k so they totalled it....
WOW! Guess impact was harder than it felt.

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WOW! Guess impact was harder than it felt.
Sounds like the LT did it's job in protecting you... sacrificing itself... rest in peace....

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Maybe over the top, but itīs one of the reasonīs I wear one of these

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Don't think it's over the top at all....I wear the same jacket and people are always laughing at me....I think it's great they're laughing 'cause it means they see me....
Of course that lady (or gent) with the cell phone ear will claim I was invisible.....

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GoldRush - glad you're up and around to deal with this whole fiasco. A bummer that the bike is Tango Uniform, but you're able to walk around the showroom drooling an pondering and that's a good thing.

I'm recalling the NY traffic laws (not that they apply here, but they might) and my recollection was that a motor vehicle was to stop before the stop sign, or white line in your case, and then proceed. Therefore, if you stopped before the line and then edged forward, you were in the right, regardless of what officer friendly is saying and the evidence left by your peg. I mention this because if neither driver has been cited, then aren't you eating your deductible? Or, has she accepted responsibility for the whole thing?

Meanwhile, I would just like to point out that size doesn't freaking matter. I'm in MO right now doing the RV with BMW as lifeboat routine. Yes, I'm trailering my bike, but it's covered with HD stickers, so I'm okay. Anyway, just had a lady come up on my right side trying to merge into my lane. She has a cell phone jammed in her left ear and is looking straight ahead. I am driving a bright white, 24 foot RV with an 8 foot utility trailer hauling a BMW RT. She's looking straight ahead and yacking away, oblivious to my existence until she tries to move left and remembers some old science law about two piece of matter occupying the same space at the same time. I have a semi to my left and stay the course. I have a semi behind me and can't slow down. Lady cell phone stabs the brakes and I give her the friendly wave that says, "Your child may be an honor student, but you're a poop, ninny, scrounge and a mooch."

So, glad you're okay. Let us know what you decide on for your next bike.

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....Yes, I'm trailering my bike, but it's covered with HD stickers, so I'm okay....
Oh, yes, you're fine, then!
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....She's looking straight ahead and yacking away, oblivious to my existence until she tries to move left and remembers some old science law about two pieces of matter occupying the same space at the same time. I have a semi to my left and stay the course. I have a semi behind me and can't slow down. Lady cell phone stabs the brakes and I give her the friendly wave that says, "Your child may be an honor student, but you're a poop, ninny, scrounge and a mooch...."
Actually, "matter" never crossed her mind. She was just pissed cause you interrupted her all to important phone conversation--reminding her to pull her head out of her ass and drive!

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