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That's actually one of the less "damning" articles I've read recently.

The media just can't get enough bad news these days... the picture of the Harley rider with a half helmet, legs stretched out with the forward controls and in rolled up sleeves. It just shouts that his attitude is "laid back". Sorry, but this guy is just ASKING to get hurt.

I can't believe that the reporter did not mention car drivers distracted by cell phones, etc. as part of the equation.

...and I just wanted to clarify that this is not ME!

(even though I did ride motorcycles when I was younger and raced bicycles)

"State worker Ron Miller, 43, rode motorcycles when he was young, then raced bicycles for years. But when he recently bought a 786-pound Harley Street Glide, he failed a self-administered weekend test in the DMV parking lot course.

He took a $250 riding class sponsored by the CHP and Motorcycle Safety Foundation, then tried the slow-speed DMV test again with his Harley.

"I nailed it!" he said."


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Interesting Nate, Thanks for posting.

BTW - The comments posted on Bee's forum are interesting - Look at the bottom of the page.

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here is the best description of an LT...

"heavy-duty bikes, some built like living-room lounges with plush upright seats for aging backs, heated cushions and handlebars, cell phone connections and even cup holders."

It cracks me up as that the so-called writer doesn't seem to know the first thing about touring or long-distance bikes. I guess it is just much easier to call the CHP to get numbers and "draw conclusions" than it is to do some real research that might even involve legwork!

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I see Mr Bywater is fully prepared for action: "salad bowl" helmet, short sleeves and fingerless gloves! Nice.

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." (Some really OLD friggin' White dude who couldn't have possibly known what he was talking about!) WARNING: Official HATE speech!
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I keep my cell phone on my hip. I don't monitor it while riding, I check it at stops. I don't listen to the radio or CDs. I ride to escape all that crap. I ride relaxed out on the open road, not in town or heavy traffic. If the cagers are distracted by these things, why should I compound the problem? A guy on a new Harley here was riding home with his new bike. He made it less than 30 miles and lost his left leg on a guardrail. I personally can't believe people who ride around with music blasting in their ears with a bucket on their head that restricts their vision and hearing in the first place. I wear a full face for the protection if affords. Maybe it's just me..................

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I remember reading about a correlation between increasing mc deaths and increasing numbers of square nosed tanks on the road like pick up trucks, and SUVs.

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Here is a link to a recent article in the Anchorage Daily news.

http://www.adn.com/anchorage/story/448304.html

I must say, the Bee's articles is better written AND no dumb comments from a City Safety official like "What Alaska is experiencing is that we've got motorcycles on the road when they shouldn't be, like when the pavement is wet."

Now that is coming from somebody that claims to know about safety.

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I remember reading about a correlation between increasing mc deaths and increasing numbers of square nosed tanks on the road like pick up trucks, and SUVs.

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Here is a link to a youtube video by Wendy Moon. She wrote the original article the appeared in MCN a while back.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZg-tANNSys&feature=user

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKiyOAWDyCw&feature=user
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Thanks for posting the two videos.

Takes a long time (but well thought out and documented) to say what most riders know. Getting hit or hitting an SUV or pickup truck is much worse than a motorcycle - car accident. Same story for cars and L.T.V.s as well.

But then, isn't safety in size about 2/3rds of the reason that SUV's and pickups sell?

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here is the best description of an LT...

"heavy-duty bikes, some built like living-room lounges with plush upright seats for aging backs, heated cushions and handlebars, cell phone connections and even cup holders."

It cracks me up as that the so-called writer doesn't seem to know the first thing about touring or long-distance bikes. I guess it is just much easier to call the CHP to get numbers and "draw conclusions" than it is to do some real research that might even involve legwork!
The Sacramento Bee never was much of paper and the cost savings changes over the past couples years have rendered it a far better birdcage liner than media device. I've seen college newspapers with better research and perspective. You are right when you say little or no research went into the article. This guy is probably the 25 year old writer's neighbor who got a new bike last week. "Hey, there's a "unique" article, aging riders!" They fail to mention whether the subject rider actually has a license or proper training. I would think not based on his casual approach to riding. All image from where I sit. By the way, in a recent professional net survey on quality and design of the websites of the 23 top circulation newspapers in America, the Sacramento Bee came in 23rd.

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Hi, I'm new to this forum and first I wanted to say there are some great comments peppered all over the place! Some really good stuff.

These column filler kind of stories that really have no substance probably dont really deserve much attention from experienced riders.

Only thing i would say is, I was watching the Lord of The rings the other night with my kids, (The return of the King) and there is a line in there from Gandalf as the hordes of Mordor gather to storm the city. He turns to another soldier and says "courage is your best defence". Well if you are a motorcycle rider of any kind, TRAINING is your best defence, without a shadow of a doubt. I have been lucky enough to experience some police motorcycle training, and it certainly opens your eyes to dangers, potential dangers and more importantly how best to avoid them altogether. They call it "defensive riding", I call it a life saver....
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This is the epitomy of Newbie Ignorance!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erSrEIuOwX4
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It would be nice to hear some of the misconception about motorcycleing cleared-up.. but I supose that wouldn't sell newspapers. Most people don't really want to hear the truth.

I was riding in heavy rain 2 weeks ago on a 7 day trip, but still had good visibility. There was water on the road, so cars were slowing to 50mph. I suspect many of them would be hydroplanning at 55-60mph. However, from my experience (I've been on the racetrack in the rain, on DOT race tire with little rain grooves), motorcycles hydroplan at much higher speeds and I know how hte bike feels when its's on the edge. All is good and I'm carefully cruising by in the left lane at 55-60mph.

Most of the cagers, probably think I'm riding wrecklessly and should just sit in the right lane with the rest of them... mind you with reduced visibility from their spray.

No thank you!. I did at least turn off the cruise control... and liek I said, I slowed down to 55-60mph. In the light rain, I still humming along at 70-75mph... like everyone else (speed limit is 70).

The point being that the misconception is that it's unusually dangerous for motorcycle to be riding in the rain, and they need ot slow way down...perhaps sloer than cars because they only have 2 wheels. While I would agree for ice and snow. Wet pavement, when not oily, only gives up 10-20% traction with sticky motorcycle tires with small contact patches and generous rain grooves. The same would be for a car with rain tires.
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