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Dehydration?

While my riding partner LAF expounds on the virtues of Guiness Stout, regardless of the serving temperature, allow me to expound on the thread ATGATT. Dehydration is a serious problem while riding in hot weather. As a hike instructor for people venturing into the Grand Canyon I've told people that it's always simple to follow the basic rule of drinking before you're thirsty. However, there's a new twist to dehydration and that's hyponatremia. In this situation, body fluids are being replaced, but the electrolytes lost through perspiration aren't. Simply drinking water further complicates the situation by diluting what electrolytes are left in your body. The symptoms are quite similar to dehydration: lethargy, poor motor skills, diminished thinking capacity, muscle cramps, etc. The usual response to these symptoms is to think, Hey! I'll bet I'm getting dehydrated and need to dink some water." Unless there are essential minerals (salts, potassium, etc.) in the water, the situation just gets worse instead of better. Needless to say these symptoms are bad while hiking into the Canyon, they can be disastrous while riding a motorcycle.

There are a variety of energy drinks out there and you may want to try a few to see how your body reacts to them. Personally I've found that with the powdered mixes if I cut the recommended dosage in half, I'm fine.

Avoid any of the drinks with caffeine. It's not only a diuretic but is also a vasoconstrictor which can have an adverse effect as your body tries to lose excess heat through perspiration. If you're into just drinking water, it's not a bad idea to nibble on some salty snacks when you take a break. How you transport and ingest your water is up to you: bottles, canteens, Camelbaks, Spanish wine botas, IVs, whatever.

As Sgt. Phil Esterhaus always said, "Let's be careful out there."

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post #2 of 12 Old Jun 28th, 2008, 4:58 pm
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While my riding partner LAF expounds on the virtues of Guiness Stout, regardless of the serving temperature, allow me to expound on the thread ATGATT. Dehydration is a serious problem while riding in hot weather. As a hike instructor for people venturing into the Grand Canyon I've told people that it's always simple to follow the basic rule of drinking before you're thirsty. However, there's a new twist to dehydration and that's hyponatremia. In this situation, body fluids are being replaced, but the electrolytes lost through perspiration aren't. Simply drinking water further complicates the situation by diluting what electrolytes are left in your body. The symptoms are quite similar to dehydration: lethargy, poor motor skills, diminished thinking capacity, muscle cramps, etc. The usual response to these symptoms is to think, Hey! I'll bet I'm getting dehydrated and need to dink some water." Unless there are essential minerals (salts, potassium, etc.) in the water, the situation just gets worse instead of better. Needless to say these symptoms are bad while hiking into the Canyon, they can be disastrous while riding a motorcycle.

There are a variety of energy drinks out there and you may want to try a few to see how your body reacts to them. Personally I've found that with the powdered mixes if I cut the recommended dosage in half, I'm fine.

Avoid any of the drinks with caffeine. It's not only a diuretic but is also a vasoconstrictor which can have an adverse effect as your body tries to lose excess heat through perspiration. If you're into just drinking water, it's not a bad idea to nibble on some salty snacks when you take a break. How you transport and ingest your water is up to you: bottles, canteens, Camelbaks, Spanish wine botas, IVs, whatever.

As Sgt. Phil Esterhaus always said, "Let's be careful out there."
Great info, Chris. Thanks for sharing.

I don't know how you feel about Gatorade, butt when I used to work outdoors at my summer job, I found it to be what helped me the most. Water wuz fine to a point, butt Gatorade seemed to fit the bill to get me thru the day. I could definitely tell the difference between days of water and days of Gatorade.

Most of the Camelbak use-suggestions say to avoid any liquid that might harbor bacteria, if the Camelbak isn't cleaned thoroughly after use. I use a wide-mouth 72 oz. unit and that seems to make the cleaning job a leetle easier. I prolly don't use it as often as I should, butt on long runs, I've learned to add it to the apparel inventory list. In addition to that, if it's a planned ride, I try to remember to start hydrating a day or two in advance. JM2CW what works for me. Thanks again for the post.
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Having gotten sick and severely dehydrated on the road (was laid up for a week) I completely agree with your comments. When I'm on the road I keep a 100oz. CamelBak loaded with water to drink while riding. When I stop for gas I buy a 16 oz. Gatorade and drink at least half (all if it's been really hot) before I pull out. I also keep a bottle of Gatorade on the bike, just in case. I've done this for the past few years and it seems to be a good balance for me as I'm staying hydrated and have not experieinced the symptoms you describe since I started this. At times I have to stop for a bathroom break before I want to, but hey, I'll take that over dehydration any day.

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Good info Chris,

I found out about this when planning for a Rim to Rim to Rim hike of the Grand Canyon about 8 years ago. So I bought some powered electrolyte mix and made the hike safely.

On the motorcycle it's good to carry a small water bottle in addition to a large hydration system such as a camelback. I drink plain water, out of a hydration bladder in a tank bag while rolling...but at each stop I pour a little powder in the water bottle and drink it all down and refill before hitting the road.


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Great topic, Chris.

I use a similar formula of proper hydration with electrolytes and keep light on the food and caffeine to avoid jet lag on flights over 12 hours.

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The MOST important thing is to STAY HYDRATED! Good tips on mixing the likes of Gatorade and water. That was the combination I used when I ran the NYC Marathon. One mile was water, the next was Gatorade. Unfortunately, didn't realize this when I had my "get off" in Colorado a number of years ago. The combination of altitude and dehydration didn't sit well with me and, well let's just say I when I woke up my bike was not underneath me. I now ride with a full Camelbak during my trips (any ride over two hrs).
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We get regular "news broadcasts" here about using sun block and staying hydrated.

One that I remember was about how caffeine was thought to cause dehydration, but recent research into it concluded that, at least with teas and coffee, their was a net gain in fluids.

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gatorade now has little pouches that are filled with enough powdered mix to make a 1/2 litre bottle of the stuff. I carry enough pouches and a bottle that I fill whenever I need to with the mix (gas stations, rest stops, etc.)


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With a lot of air flowing over you, it's amazing how quckly you can get dehydrated, even on a mild day in the upper 70's. That's one reason, while i don't use a camelback, I stop every 1-1-1/2 hours just to get a drink on a day long ride... and give my body a short rest. I usually go though a full 16oz bottle of water or eletrolyte drink at each stop. I like the "Vitamin" brand waters the best. they have a little sucrose or dextrose and some extra vitamins and electrolytes.

Simple test... if your urine should be light yellow or clear. If it's bright yellow or darker...you're dehydrated. If you haven't gone to the bathroom in almost 4 hours... you're probably not drinking enough water.

You can also swallow a couple tablets that runners use to prevent cramping while drinking water. I compete in Triathlons a couple times a year and always take them before long training runs and before races.
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Excellent posts on an important topic.

I looked at the ingredients listed on the Gatorade powder container ans was surprised that it includes nearly as much sugar as in a (non-diet) Coke. Refined sugar tends to make me crash a few hours later, so I avoid consuming it whenever possible. Sugar also raises one's temperature, not a good thing on a long, hot ride.

The potassium and sodium are important, but not the sugar. I keep a small container of salt (sodium) and potassium (salt substitute) in my jacket pocket when I ride, and add some to each bottle of water. Sometimes I add sugar-free Kool-Aid to the container, just for a bit of flavor.

Works fine.

As a substitute, I have from time to time kept a plastic bag of beef jerky bites in my tank bag to nibble on while riding. The jerky contains sodium and potassium, in addition to protein.

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A tip from an adventure motorcycling book to mix your own rehydration drink is 8 teaspoons of sugar and half teaspoon of salt to one litre of water.
Also works most times for diarrhoea.


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I learned a little trick years ago when I was doing 100 mile bicycle races. The guys who drank just water tended to fade late as did the guys who drank only Gatorade (it was all there was back then) I started mixing Gatorade & water 50/50. Tasted nasty but worked well. Now as a Scout leader I have the Scouts carry a couple of bottles of Gatorade and fill the hydration pack with water, and alternate between the two. The other rule of thumb, is if it's been 3 hours and you don't need to pee, you should drink more. Fifteen mile days in the mountains on 100 oz. of water and 32 oz. of Gatorade is a piece of cake. On the LT, I pack drinks when 2 up, and use Camelback when solo and stop every 2-3 hours to stretch my legs and hydrate.

Thanks everyone for the hints & tips. Proper hydration is definitely part of ATGATT!

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