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post #1 of 13 Old Jun 25th, 2008, 7:18 am Thread Starter
 
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Hello! Newbie with a few Beemer Questions

Hello for the land time forgot, (North Eastern Pa.)
After 36 years of banging bars off road racing, the last 4 I've discovered that road riding and touring doesn't beat you up as much as a 3 hour Hare Scramble does!
I ventured into the road riding part time on a Royal Enfield Bullet 4 years ago, (The dealer was pulling it out of the show room and the exhaust sound stop me in traffic! 1/2 hour later I had it loaded up in my truck)!
That lead to a 800 Vulcan, a 900 Vulcan, now a Gold Wing and a KLR 650, as well as a Dnepr side car rig, (my snow machine).
I just sold the Wing, cuz it was, well, it was, like a air craft carrier in a parking lot!
If I could just go from my garage to the highway, to the parking lot of where ever, it'd be great machine, nice easy riding highway machine .
So, now my question.......
Having come from a background of light flickable bikes, (KTM's and my Gas Gas trials bike), and now I want to tour, I just can't find, "The Perfect Bike".
I had bid on a 1200 LT on E-bay, and really didn't go after it a hard as I should have fearing it'd be like the Wing.
I don't think a, "Sport Bike" is the way to go either, (just leaning on the tank all day seems tough for this old body, and my wife refuses to even think about being a "turtle" on my back).
I'm looking for a good long distance bike, (I know the modern bikes can run all day, everyday, but a motor that doesn't have to "run" down the highway, just 'jog', if you know what I mean), room for 2, plus storage. It has to be fairly light on it's feet.
(I've looked at the Kawi Concours, the Yami FSR??, (weird sotra, it has no clutch, just like a quad, you flick a lever), a Honda something or other, (The BMW dealer is a 45 minute ride, I'm heading there this weekend to look @.
Maybe I'll start with a good used unit and see how it fits me, so don't be afraid to go back a few years with a bike, (I've done my share of bike basket cases rebuilds. Rebuilds on the side of the trail, so spinning a wrench on a bike isn't a chore, it's a mini vacation!
I'm taking all thoughts, observations, ideas, recommendations.

Thanks,
Joe
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post #2 of 13 Old Jun 25th, 2008, 7:30 am
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Re: Hello! Newbie with a few Beemer Questions

If you want light weight , great handling and plenty of power for Two up try on a R1200Rt or one of the earlier R series RT models. I moved from a LT to a new RT for medical reasons, but have not regretted it it all. My wife and I with a trailer have no trouble staying with the crowd when we go touring. Give one a try I think you will like it.

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Re: Hello! Newbie with a few Beemer Questions

I second the RT, especially if you felt the GW was an Aircraft carrier.

The K1200LT is as big as the GW, with a higher CG, but once moving above 20-30mph, it handles like a dream.

The RT on the other hand, is light, flickable, and handles great. Most people who don't like the RT, don't like the vibration of a twin, though the RT vibrates a lot less than most twins, it's still not quite as smooth as a 4.

The good thing is BMW dealers will let you take a test ride on one.

So, go take a good test ride and see what you think.

Good luck on your shopping, but don't bring the check book unless you're ready to buy

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Re: Hello! Newbie with a few Beemer Questions

I 3rd the RT. We were looking at both the LT and RT a few years back. The LT won for the comfort on the rear seat. Now that I have a bunch of miles, I consider it flickable, tho it ain't as light as the RT. I make runs on it both in town and out, back roads and slab - it just plain fits me. I think that's the secret - find the one that FITS YOU, then let the miles roll on.

Just my $.02.

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Re: Hello! Newbie with a few Beemer Questions

One more RT vote. I have both the RT & LT. I use the LT only for two-up or when my RT is disabled for maintenance.

I bought the RT over any other BMW model and any other manufacturer model for one primary reason ... ergonomics. All the other sport tourer motorcycles hurt to sit on or ride. OK, I didn't get a chance to try the ST-1300, but it's front-end wobble (reported) had me concerned enough to discount it.

Bottom line, I love to ride my RT. My wife loves to be a pasenger for the local roads. Real local roads as somewhat twisty. She feels the lower seating and stiffer suspension makes here feel more planted in the saddle. The LT's soft ride is "too bouncy". Some new shocks may cure that issue, but regardless she loves the LT for long distance and highway miles.

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The RT is lighter, we just took a 1000 mile trip with a friend who had a RT and one with a GW and I have a LT. He likes his RT but he is still looking because the wife doesn't seem as happy on the RT. My wife loves the LT over the RT and the Wing because it fits her.

If you think the GW was big then the LT will really get you thinking "super tanker".

What did your wife think of the GW? Are you worried about a good ride for her or for you? The RT is OK for the back seat and better then most other bikes but the GW and LT are 10 times better at least that is what my wife says. But then again she thinks the LT is 10 times better then the GW and 100 times better then the RT. She has forgotten what it was like on the back of the old 82 750cc we owned.

I would say get whats right for you and the wife, test drive everything but if you want your wife to like the RT then don't ride with her on the LT.

Another bike that I just rode last night was the new victory vision. It had some short comings but one of my buddies really liked it.

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It's an easy answer....

R1200RT...

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If you think the Wing was an aircraft carrier at slow speeds, the LT won't be much better, if any. I have no experience with the others, so I can't really say much about them. May wanna consider them over the LT though.

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+1 on RT or GT.

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Tanks!
I want a light flickable bike, but my wife LOVED the Wing, (after I got all the air wings for it to keep the wind off her, so her vote is for another Wing).
Actually after seeing one of our friends go down on the way to Rolling Thunder in D.C. and die at the scene, I'm not really hip on having her on the back any longer.
I have to keep reminding her, what ever I/we? get, it'll be better than the Royal Enfield Bullet pilon seat she rode on the first year we were road riding, (I wanted that bike cuz it sounded like the Triumph Cub I raced in the late 60's)!
Me thinks the LT will be a boat, but the RT will give me a head ache from the hot air blowing behind me!, (If you know what I mean)
My local dealer has a RT, so I'm gonna take a trip down on my KLR and see how it fits.
One thing I did find out, a older Kawi Concours, ('99), felt too much like a ????
well, weird, but the new '08 felt nice, so I have my seating/bar/tank fitting.
Hopefully it'll be dry tonight, (we've been geting rain almost everynight, just enough to annouy me) and I can go bike shopping.
I'm rich, rich, rich, as the guy came for my Wing Saturday, so I gotta hurry and fill the void in the stable!
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Joe,

The R1200RT seems perfect for your needs. You might want to try the K1200GT for comparison.
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You might want to try a GS if you are taller.
The RT made me feel a little "bunched up." The GS has a more straight up riding position, in my opinion.

Also, when you see that gravel road that looks interesting...

I went in to the local BMW dealer not too long ago, all the GSs had "sold" signs on them, there must be a reason. (besides the dual sport craze.)

Just my $.02

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The GS has poor wind/weather protection and the gearing gets it a little less mpg.

With some wings, a lip, panniers, and aftermarket windscreent, it comes close. If I had bought an Adventure instead of a regular GS, I may never have traded in for the RT. I also found, I didn't do as much off road as I thought I would and the RT handles the dirt/gravel roads that I do ride on just fine.




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You might want to try a GS if you are taller.
The RT made me feel a little "bunched up." The GS has a more straight up riding position, in my opinion.

Also, when you see that gravel road that looks interesting...

I went in to the local BMW dealer not too long ago, all the GSs had "sold" signs on them, there must be a reason. (besides the dual sport craze.)

Just my $.02

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