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post #1 of 3 Old May 4th, 2008, 8:56 pm Thread Starter
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Another Dead Harley - Another Point

Hi Guys,

I just joined as a new member today and spent 15 minutes reading through this whole story 'Another Dead Harley' posted on April 30th 2008 and found it very interesting.

Manufacturer aside there are 1,001 reasons that cause a motorcycle to go rubber side up, consequently I will not attempt to wade into this one. To provide some Australian input though.....both of my sons work as theatre technicians in different hospitals in Melbourne, both of them are motorcyclists, and both of them see the results of motorcyclists dismounting prematurely everyday.

The largest percentage of causualties are aged between 18 and 25 and usually do not wear full protective clothing, they are often on motorcycles far too responsive and powerful for their experience level (in most cases the paramedics who attended the scene provide a pretty accurate description of what happened). They also are not required to complete any formal and stepped competency training, after 12 months on a 250cc machine they can trade-in and ride away on a 1000cc Fireblade, a K1200S, an name it. The same rules apply to all other age groups and they also appear in operating theatres and came off a whole range of motorcycles.

A slogan here is "Speed Kills', a simplistic statement as Valentino Rossi and Casey Stoner are still alive. What often kills is a lack of awareness, failure to ride to the conditions, lack of rider training, failure to maintain reaction space between other road users, complacency, a lack of protective clothing and a whole host of other reasons that I'm sure readers can add themselves.

We all protect ourselves by identifying all the risks and mitigating them as much as we can. That said we can all still hit a patch of diesel in the dark and if we do then hopefully we still end up getting back home safely to the people who love us ........whatever we were sat on at the time!

Ride safely.

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Another Dead Harley - Another Point

Originally Posted by martincraig
.... A slogan here is "Speed Kills', a simplistic statement....
Welcome to the madness, Martin. You bees right! Speed, in and of itself, is harmless. Now, add just one other "factor" to you mix, then speed can be a big issue.

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post #3 of 3 Old May 18th, 2008, 10:19 pm
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Originally Posted by jayjacobson
Welcome to the madness, Martin. You bees right! Speed, in and of itself, is harmless. Now, add just one other "factor" to you mix, then speed can be a big issue.
There are number of intersesting statistics that came out regarding variable crash factors--age, intoxication, training level--within the Harry Hurt report. (You can find some good analysis in the David Hough Proficient Motorcycling books.)

Here are some of the details I remember:

-You are statistically more likely to have an accident in the first 6 months of riding as a neophyte.

-Riders without an M Class license are more likely to be in an accident as are those who have been taught by non-professional trainers or taught themselves.

-Most accidents occur within a few miles of the original point of ride departure/arrival, usually home.

-The highest percentages of head injuries / impacts happen on the right side and left side of the jaws, below the cheeks. (Why I always wear full face.)

I typically wear full protective gear--FF helmet, aramid/Kevlar clothes and gloves, re-inforced MC boots, body armor--the works.

I often wonder if the general public's lackadaisical opinion regarding driving might change if they were forced to suit up before they drove. "Hmm--what I'm about to do must be dangerous!"

Of course that being said, the MSF defensive driving strategies, safety bubbling, active awares (SEE, etc), and a constant, variable focus on the road condition, traffic, bike, obstacles, etc. can help to ensure that you never need to test it all out.
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