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They walk, they talk, they breed ...

I saw it, and I still don't believe it.

Riding home from Touring Sport BMW a few days ago, in downtown Greenville, SC. Up ahead, I spotted a scooter. As with many scooters in this area, the rider had no protective gear - no helmet, short-sleeved t-shirt, slacks, tennis shoes. Then I noticed - he had only one hand on the handlebars, the right throttle hand.

As I got closer to him, I realized why the right hand was the only one on the handlebars - the left hand was up to his left ear as he talked on a cell phone. He came to a stop at a red light, then scootered on ahead when the light turned green, all with just his right hand on the handlebars, talking all the time on the cell phone.

Amazing. Be careful out there - it's not just the 4-wheelers; some of the loose nuts are on 2 wheels.

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Have yet to understand not wearing a helment. I guess that some people are just too cool to worry about their life.

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Have yet to understand not wearing a helment. I guess that some people are just too cool to worry about their life.
Well, of course the guy wasn't wearing a helmet... how could he hold a cell phone to his ear if he were wearing a helmet?!
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I thought it would take $5 gas to drive them into the scooter stores, but I'm seeing a bunch of new riders...came up behind one tonight at a light that took some time to decipher: New orange bike of unknown pedigree; shiny new orange helmet, bulky canvassy (Belstaff?) coat, then shear dress pants, nylon dress socks, and shiny new pumps. A woman?? Then I looked back up, and the only luggage on her or the bike was a very large "leather" bag slung over a shoulder...that should have been a clue!

She was getting along just fine, thank you, and I'm guessing she'll probably be riding a long time. Good to see.

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And most of them are more hard corre than your average rider around here. They ride in the coldest weather, all bundled up in a nice protective parka. It's crazy some of the things you see them wearing, but there are a lot of them out there. I admire them and hate them all at the same time. Admiration for riding when it's cold, hate for the way they act in traffic. And disgust at the way they dress for the ride.

I had a run in with one a couple weeks ago. Was in the truck toting kids aaround. Guy AND PASSENGER wants to race a block into a bottle neck from a stoplight. He was in the lane that ran out, but was just keeping pace and smiling at me. When I was infront of him, he passed me on a dbl yellow. Flipped me off of course. I am ashamed to admit, I was ready to kill at that point and tailgated him to the point of terror in passenger's eyes. Then he wanted to go slow after running up to about 40 in a 25. So I passed him way too close (brushback they call it in baseball). Then he decided to drrop way back. Still flipping me off though. No license plate of course, which would make it a "likker cycle", but those things are only supposed to hit like 20 - 25 mph. I was very foolish and felt bad. Had to apologize to the kids for my behavior. My 7 y/o son's response was" You were thinking about the consequences weren't you?" Gotta love him. I was so angry, though, as it was happening. One of those "live and learn" moments. I hate growing up.

Anyway, I talked to a PD officer, who said that locally, they tried to enforce scooter laws and such, but hte local courts and DA basically told them to quit harassing the scooterista. Too much trouble to enforce illegal modifications.

What really burns me is that here I am trying to be a good citizen (despite that behavior). I pays my taxes, license for bike, endorsement for me, etc, and these folks get to ride scot-free. Makes me want to ride a scooter too in some ways. Especially since you can apparently modify them to run out and not worry about the law bugging you.

I try to respect them and give them space as much as possible. Even though....

Oh well, there's my rant for the day. I'll hand the talking stick to someone else now.

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I thought that this might be just another thread arguing the theory of evolution. And perhaps, it is. Hey folks! If people don't start dying of more & more head trauma, how in the heck are we as evolving Homo sapiens ever supposed to start growing helmets out of our skulls right at child birth??? Get with the program people!
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Speaking about taking advantage of the law, a good friend recently observed 4 young men on crotch rockets travelling down a busy main road through town. They were being followed by a police cruiser. The last bike in the pack pulled a wheelie right in front of the LEO who immediately turned on his lights. The kid pulled over and stopped. As the officer got out of his car the kid flipped him a bird and took off at a high rate of speed. The cop got back in his car shaking his head and casually started back down the street. These kids know that it's against policy to chase them down and even though the license tag number was probably recorded they were all wearing a full face helmet and if the officer hasn't seen the face and therefore is able to make a positive identification the case will be thrown out by the judge.

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I thought that this might be just another thread arguing the theory of evolution. And perhaps, it is. Hey folks! If people don't start dying of more & more head trauma, how in the heck are we as evolving Homo sapiens ever supposed to start growing helmets out of our skulls right at child birth??? Get with the program people!
Built-in helmets? That would be awesome! Then I just need to develop a more protective skin.

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Built-in helmets? That would be awesome! Then I just need to develop a more protective skin.
Well, there's only one thing to do Bob. Stop wearing all that silly gear and get to business of evolving!!!
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Re: They walk, they talk, they breed ...

I had a good laugh reading this ... scooters are also getting more popular here as the fuel price rockets upwards.

How is this ... man if she falls there will be lots of skin grafting in here horoscope.


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bob, these are scooter people. No one understands them. Don't worry, though, their behavior will hasten their demise. The man you saw will be grunting and drooling into his oatmeal before long. Doesn't have to be that way, but it is. Fortunately they are already brain dead, so no real need for a helmet other than to avoid a mess on the street.

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I ride a R12RT and don't always wear a helmet and gear. Sometimes I do. If thats what they want to do, let them. Who are any of you (or me for that matter) to pass judgement? Do what's right for you. I also have serious problems with someone dicking with a biker using their truck. What were you thinking? He rides reckless so I'll crash him to teach him a lesson? I would have just backed off and let him in. Your vehicle is just as lethal as a gun in that situation. Would you have pulled a weapon if you were carrying? I do carry and definately wouldn't even have thought of pulling my weapon. We are all different and all need to get along.
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....As the officer got out of his car the kid flipped him a bird and took off at a high rate of speed....
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A biker whithout clothing is also a biker, but not for soo long
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Whoa, time out!

Easy there, don't knock all scooters and their riders. We keep a scooter in our garage as my wife's daily driver and my errand-runner. We're both ATGATTers.

We are surprised each time we take a country ride on our LT that the roads we enjoy are increasingly populated with scooteristas, principally riding Burgmans, Silver Wings and Reflexes. A heck of a lot of them are former motorcycle riders who, upon reaching certain age, wanted a smaller, lighter and simpler ride.

A great many of the scooter riders we have met and talked with have downsized because of bad knees, bad hips or other reasons that prevent them from safely riding a heavier motorcycle. And besides, scotters are a hoot to ride. if BMW ever brings to market a 650 scooter, I'll be the first buyer in line.

As for the urban scooteristas, many simply haven't had the benefit of rider education, just like a lot of motorcycle riders. Our obligation is to gently encourage them to read Hough's books, take a rider class and ride wearing protective gear. That's how one generation passes along its love for our sport to another generation.

A smile, a wave and a friendly 'ride safe' will do a lot more than bitchin' about a few riders who haven't had the benefit of our experience (and age...).

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Seeing Colyn's pic of scooter-girl reminded me... I spent a couple of days in Melbourne (Victoria) in Aus for work a few weeks back, and was astounded to see the Motorcycle/Scooter safety gear campaign they were running on TV, very graphic.... made me really stop and think about all the scooteristas we have her in Aus and how most seem to "dress for the ride"
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....A great many of the scooter riders we have met and talked with have downsized because of bad knees, bad hips or other reasons that prevent them from safely riding a heavier motorcycle. And besides, scotters are a hoot to ride. if BMW ever brings to market a 650 scooter, I'll be the first buyer in line....
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Man, I wish you guys would quit picking on scooter riders.

I wear and carry protective gear every time I mount up.

I look ghetto fabulous on mine and get bonus points from the fashion police when they see my shiny new Kahr .40 and quick draw holster. Perfect for knocking off all the "big bike riders" laughing and pointing at me at EVERY effing stoplight. (and guys that drive pick 'em up trucks too)

You can't BELIEVE how fast I can pull that little sucker and squeeze off 7 rounds - and those 180 grain Gold Dot hollow points make a REAL mess of things. Really pisses off the Paramedics when they respond to the scene.

BTW - it gets 115 mpg!
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The scooter riders that I have encountered appear to have no riding experience or education. Other than the mandatory helmet, they wear no protective gear. They seem to be blissfully unaware of the hazards they are facing. Too often, they ARE the traffic hazard. I have yet to see an exception to these generalizations. I wish it weren't true, but it is. That said, I have nothing against scooters or scooter riders. I still wave to them, as I do for all two-wheeled riders. I wish that the ones that I see would go out and get some basic rider education.

My most recent encounter with a scooter was a few days ago. The rider was a late-middle-aged man on a brand new scooter. His helmet was brightly colored plastic to match the scooter. It was large and padded, but only covered the top of his head. It looked like an oversize bicycle helmet. Other than that, he had no protective gear - just sneakers, slacks, a short-sleeve button-down shirt, and no gloves. My 80-year-old dad wears the same clothes.

He was in the left lane of a large, high-speed, three lane (each direction) urban road in Southern California, going about 20 mph below the speed limit, trailing a long line of cars. The cars were impatiently and recklessly passing him at high speed on the right.

I stopped at the next red light. He pulled up beside me. He looked over at me on my motorcycle. His face lit up, and he launched into an ecstatic monologue about how great it was to be out and how his wonderful scooter gets such great gas mileage and don't I like riding and does my motorcycle get great gas mileage too and ...

The light turned green and I pulled away briskly. In my rear view mirror, I saw him putt off to a slow, gradual start in the left lane, with a long line of cars behind him. The other two lanes to his right surged forward. He had a big smile on his face, blissfully unaware of the storm brewing behind him.

I said a small prayer for him as I left. I hope he learns fast. Otherwise, the hospital bills will dwarf the money he saves at the pump.
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... and here's a great vintage ad showing the scooteristas in full bloom:

This whole green thing is really stupid when it comes to scooters since more than half of them still have stinky two stroke engines that are really nasty when it comes to air pollution. They put out as much crap per mile as 30 modern cars.

The really sad thing about this whole "movement" is that the carnage is just starting to begin with the spring riding season upon us.
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I ride a R12RT and don't always wear a helmet and gear. Sometimes I do. If thats what they want to do, let them. Who are any of you (or me for that matter) to pass judgement? Do what's right for you. I also have serious problems with someone dicking with a biker using their truck. What were you thinking? He rides reckless so I'll crash him to teach him a lesson? I would have just backed off and let him in. Your vehicle is just as lethal as a gun in that situation. Would you have pulled a weapon if you were carrying? I do carry and definately wouldn't even have thought of pulling my weapon. We are all different and all need to get along.

You are exactly right. What WAS I thinking? I wouldn't normally behave in that manner and I have thought of that whole thing over and over again. 99% of the time, I do just shake my head and let them go on. Can any of us say what exactly makes us snap? Something triggers a response. And that day, something did and I was NOT thinking correctly.

Vehicle was probably MORE lethal than a gun in that situation. I don't play with guns, period.

I really hate that I acted that way and have rolled it around and hopefully, have learned something from it. I have no lingering death wish for the guy, or anyone else.

And you are right. IT would suck if someone did that to me. I behaved poorly.

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Be part of the solution, not just another complainer.

Case in point: I saw my neighbor's college-age daughter riding around the neighborhood on a new-to-her scooter yesterday. I waved, she stopped to show off her new ride.

No one had ever taken time to talk to her about riding skills, she said, so I loaned her a copy of one of David Hough's books. I commented about how lovely she looked on this beautiful spring day, and how I hoped an accident wouldn't one day cause her to be harmed. She said she is saving up for a helmet, and because she's a student, spare money is hard to find. My wife took her inside and found a spare helmet that fit her perfectly. They put some decals and stickers on the helmet to make it look more girly.

My wife and our young neighbor are going out for coffee this afternoon (we've known her since she was a baby) to chitty chat about about whatever. My wife is going to take her to a cycle shop on the way home a buy her a mesh jacket and some pink gloves as a 'you made it through another year of college' gift.

I'll probably stop at her parent's house on my scooter next weekend and ask if she like to go riding. that will be an opportunity to show her by example how to deal with traffic, turns, road hazards etc.

It takes more effort to do this than it takes to sneer at someone who one sees ridng in flip-flops, shorts and a shirt. Make the effort! It feels great to help others.

We all started out as newbies on two wheels, and at some point along the way acquired wisdom. Don't keep it to yourselves, pass it along.

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.... Vehicle was probably MORE lethal than a gun in that situation. I don't play with guns, period....
Randy, you swerved into one of my favorite subjects: gun control....And you're exactly right! That 2-3 ton cruise missile that everybody drives w/o even thinking about it is way more dangerous than any gun. How about a 10 day waiting period on those EVIL "assault" vehicles?!

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Randy, you swerved into one of my favorite subjects: gun control....And you're exactly right! That 2-3 ton cruise missile that everybody drives w/o even thinking about it is way more dangerous than any gun. How about a 10 day waiting period on those EVIL "assault" vehicles?!
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Be part of the solution, not just another complainer.

Case in point: I saw my neighbor's college-age daughter riding around the neighborhood on a new-to-her scooter yesterday. I waved, she stopped to show off her new ride.

No one had ever taken time to talk to her about riding skills, she said, so I loaned her a copy of one of David Hough's books. I commented about how lovely she looked on this beautiful spring day, and how I hoped an accident wouldn't one day cause her to be harmed. She said she is saving up for a helmet, and because she's a student, spare money is hard to find. My wife took her inside and found a spare helmet that fit her perfectly. They put some decals and stickers on the helmet to make it look more girly.

My wife and our young neighbor are going out for coffee this afternoon (we've known her since she was a baby) to chitty chat about about whatever. My wife is going to take her to a cycle shop on the way home a buy her a mesh jacket and some pink gloves as a 'you made it through another year of college' gift.

I'll probably stop at her parent's house on my scooter next weekend and ask if she like to go riding. that will be an opportunity to show her by example how to deal with traffic, turns, road hazards etc.

It takes more effort to do this than it takes to sneer at someone who one sees ridng in flip-flops, shorts and a shirt. Make the effort! It feels great to help others.

We all started out as newbies on two wheels, and at some point along the way acquired wisdom. Don't keep it to yourselves, pass it along.

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You get the prize for most sensible post. Wish I had a neighbor like you. Thanks for not preaching. It gets tedious.
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You get the prize for most sensible post. Wish I had a neighbor like you. Thanks for not preaching. It gets tedious.
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