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Honda is closing the Gold Wing factory in Ohio.

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Sad to hear, People who visited that plant said it was a amazing site. And they make one heck of a bike.

Seems like the Mfgr'ing soul of our country is being sucked out

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amazing huh? What REALLY runs our country's economy..? Time to REstart my Victory Garden.

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Well that just tears it then. I'm NOT going to buy a Honda Gold Wing

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Interesting.

That, in theory, should make the GW more expensive to buy than it already is for us non US clients, unless the Japanese can make up the difference in productivity.
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Ya guess the Honda guys are watching BMW build semi-almost affordable bikes and "import" them?

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Jerry, I was just about to post the same thing. A Honda employee sent me that info this morning.

Touring the Marysville m/c assembly plant the last 2 years at the Honda Homecoming was very interesting. Last summer we got to see them make Gold Wings. Very cool, regardless of how you feel about that particular make or model.

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Jerry, I was just about to post the same thing. A Honda employee sent me that info this morning.

Touring the Marysville m/c assembly plant the last 2 years at the Honda Homecoming was very interesting. Last summer we got to see them make Gold Wings. Very cool, regardless of how you feel about that particular make or model.
The engines are made in the Anna plant. Everyone wears white coats (look like Doctors) and the place is spotless even in the foundry section. They also make the auto engines there. I remember banners throughout the plant that said, "Meet & Exceed Your Customers Expectations!"

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Bummer
I wanted to make it to the homecoming and take the tour.
I have missed out the last 3 years when invited

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Sad to hear, People who visited that plant said it was a amazing site. And they make one heck of a bike.

Seems like the Mfgr'ing soul of our country is being sucked out
I think you can thank the UAW for that.

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The Goldwing will now be more affordable to buy.

Lower overhead as far as employee pay and taxing by the U.S. governement.

If the fair tax were in place, Honda and many other U.S. manufacturing companies could afford to compete in a global market.

I can't wait for Hillary and/Or Obama to get into office;
Then with all of the jobs going overseas, they will socialize medicine and our quality healthcare will be gone, too.
I will be nice to give even more of my paycheck to people who don't deserve it.
Maybe then we all will be able to move into the affordable housing projects.

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Does anyone really think these MC will be more affordable???? Come on, guys, really?

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Bummer
I wanted to make it to the homecoming and take the tour.
I have missed out the last 3 years when invited
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Guys........

I worked in the Marysville plant at one time and their standards for "line work",fit & finish were very solid.
I have In-laws from the steel region of Ohio that have worked the industry for generations and they have related what their "workdays" consist of.
The difference is STAGGERING....guess what??

HONDA-Industry Leader in profitability,productivity,with great but not guaranteed jobs &benefits i.e.....No Union

AMERICAN STEEL & AUTOMOTIVE MANU-Industry leader in red ink and unproductiveness, with great pay benefits and almost guaranteed jobs-
Unionized and a nonfactor in 2008.?????

Somewhat OT but hey it's reality.

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Personally, I think this is a victory for future LT sales. I've talked to guys that bought GoldWings based on the fact that they are (were) "Amarikon-made". I have to believe those same guys would rather buy a German product than a Yaponeze one. Time will tell...

Maybe BMW should come out with a "GoatVing" ... whatta ya say?
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The engines are made in the Anna plant. Everyone wears white coats (look like Doctors) and the place is spotless even in the foundry section. They also make the auto engines there. I remember banners throughout the plant that said, "Meet & Exceed Your Customers Expectations!"
I put in a couple shot blasters, robots and conveyors in for the ferrous casting plant in Anna and a few automated conveyor systems in for the engine area. They were great.

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Does anyone really think these MC will be more affordable???? Come on, guys, really?
More affordable for us no!! More profitable for Honda maybe..

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Does anyone really think these MC will be more affordable???? Come on, guys, really?
A big part of my job is employee benefits. I deal with experts of all types. My opinion, formed over years, is that to fix the wildly increasing cost of health care we will first need to get to the point we're willing to tear the entire thing down and start over.

I'm not talking about medical technology, but about the insurance, provider, government, litigator section. It all plays a part. I've not heard any candidate put forward anything that will begin to touch the problem. I don't believe a candidate who was honest about this problem could get elected. We, as a voting body, don't deal well with the truth.

So, I guess the short answer to your question cfell is no, I don't think it will be more affordable anytime soon.

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I think, with US dollar all time low nowadays, it would make more sense to keep the plant in Ohio instead of moving to Japan.


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A big part of my job is employee benefits. I deal with experts of all types. My opinion, formed over years, is that to fix the wildly increasing cost of health care we will first need to get to the point we're willing to tear the entire thing down and start over.

I'm not talking about medical technology, but about the insurance, provider, government, litigator section. It all plays a part. I've not heard any candidate put forward anything that will begin to touch the problem. I don't believe a candidate who was honest about this problem could get elected. We, as a voting body, don't deal well with the truth.

So, I guess the short answer to your question cfell is no, I don't think it will be more affordable anytime soon.

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I am also curious to hear direct from the Honda employees how they are taking it -- for example, what do they think their chances are of continued employment? What do they think about U.S.-made v. Japanese-made bikes (quality, etc.)?

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I was told that ALL of the employees at the Honda Marysville plant would be offered jobs at the Honda engine plant (also in Ohio). If true - that's cool.

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I was told that ALL of the employees at the Honda Marysville plant would be offered jobs at the Honda engine plant (also in Ohio). If true - that's cool.

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Right, but I'm wondering if it actually pans out for them. Wouldn't be the first time that the Big Corporation promises one thing but then finds reasons to not honor those promises. Just wondering how it turns out for them, not accusing.

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I think you can thank the UAW for that.

WTF?
The Honda plant was not UAW.
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WTF?
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So how can this be the UAW's fault?

Shades of AMF! Yeah, that was a HD boondongle.... no digression... just, let's recall that this is "just business".

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I think this is interesting. My 1976 Gold Wing that i still have says....

"Made in Japan"

what goes around comes around.....

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Maybe, just maybe BMW will have a chance to produce their big LT's in this country??? Didn't I read somewhere that BMW might be considering such a move?

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Maybe, just maybe BMW will have a chance to produce their big LT's in this country??? Didn't I read somewhere that BMW might be considering such a move?
Bob... hey, anything stated about BMW is purely speculatory... =)

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Honda is closing the Gold Wing factory in Ohio....
Glad to know that W-M isn't the only company that opens--and closes--huge locations. Imagine how much lower prices would be if they just got it right the first time?!

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WTF?
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So how can this be the UAW's fault?
The portion I was referring to in my quote was "Seems like the Mfgr'ing soul of our country is being sucked out "

And, yes, I do blame the UAW for that. Where I grew up in Iowa, there is a Case manufacturing plant. The UAW stooges there go on strike quite often yet they have the highest wages in the area! Most jobs in that area are in the $8-16/hour range. Those guys are pulling in $40+ and they're bitching about it! Look at GM, Ford and Dodge. They're in the same boat because the UAW demands ridiculously high wages and benefits. How many UAW employees are getting paid to NOT go to work?

They were very much needed when they came about. They did some fine work on the behalf of Joe-employee. Now, however, they've become more of a monster than the "suits" ever were.

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But is the guy making 16 a hr paying health care? A 40 an hr Union is paying his heath insurance out of that rate, and dues, but his choice to make the 40.

Still a good wage but to blame them is nuts.

Too much import with not enough export and fair exchanges and even playing floor for both.

I say Tariffs need to be put in place quick. How we ever allowed our biggest company's to go, or be bought off shore, is just death valley on a slow mule. How as a Country we would force our biggest and brightest technology's to be implemented into off shore countries is also suicide.

I really don't know how to fix it until our manufacturing base invests into America and it workers with these super plants and are on an even playing field with what is coming in from another country. Who chances are either we are running, or they bought our older plants in their country's and are now using our own ingenuity and technology to bury us.

It still is if you only make 15.00 an hour, how can you buy a product they paid a guy 40.00 to make. You just can not do it on the disparity of the wages alone, again I do not know the solution.

I was union for a lot of years and it was good to me. But I did a 4 year apprenticeship, had to certify, and had to work my way to the top for my hours by seniority. My management counter parts made better money with their benefits included in their total compensation package.

Anyway wish Honda well it will be a home coming of sorts I guess, 1st model year collectors edition?

Now wouldn't it be something if BMW came to America to manufacture bikes?

I know Cfell it is all with a grin, and a grain of salt..................

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The portion I was referring to in my quote was "Seems like the Mfgr'ing soul of our country is being sucked out "

And, yes, I do blame the UAW for that. Where I grew up in Iowa, there is a Case manufacturing plant. The UAW stooges there go on strike quite often yet they have the highest wages in the area! Most jobs in that area are in the $8-16/hour range. Those guys are pulling in $40+ and they're bitching about it! Look at GM, Ford and Dodge. They're in the same boat because the UAW demands ridiculously high wages and benefits. How many UAW employees are getting paid to NOT go to work?

They were very much needed when they came about. They did some fine work on the behalf of Joe-employee. Now, however, they've become more of a monster than the "suits" ever were.

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Re: Honda No Longer American Motorcycle Maker

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The portion I was referring to in my quote was "Seems like the Mfgr'ing soul of our country is being sucked out "

And, yes, I do blame the UAW for that. Where I grew up in Iowa, there is a Case manufacturing plant. The UAW stooges there go on strike quite often yet they have the highest wages in the area! Most jobs in that area are in the $8-16/hour range. Those guys are pulling in $40+ and they're bitching about it! Look at GM, Ford and Dodge. They're in the same boat because the UAW demands ridiculously high wages and benefits. How many UAW employees are getting paid to NOT go to work?

They were very much needed when they came about. They did some fine work on the behalf of Joe-employee. Now, however, they've become more of a monster than the "suits" ever were.
First off I AM a UAW member (GM). Did you work at the Case plant? Then how did you know what they were striking about? I have not heard of any UAW striking over not getting enough money in almost 30 years. Losing money or benefits or work, yes, as American Axle is doing now. Most strikes are about safety and job security.
I have never heard of ANY UAW member that makes $40+ an hour.
How come the workers who build the cars and trucks are always at fault?
What about the executive's who make bad business decisions and still get MILLIONS in bonuses?
These companies that are leaving the US for cheaper labor markets still sell product at same price as it was when made in US. More profit for stock holders that don't even buy the products in their porfolio. As more of the middle class lose their jobs the ripple effect will hit almost everyone. (talk to a realitor, low end houses and high end houses are still selling its the middle range houses that have all but stopped.)
I don't pretend to know all the answers, but will defend my union as well as the company I work for.
I will agree that unions are not perfect (the jobs bank is one of the stupidest things I ever heard of) but they are not the only reason jobs are leaving the country.

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Paul Francis
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