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Are you a 96 Percenter?

Conventional wisdom (around here anyway) is that 4% of final drives (give or take) fail.

Are you like me, a 96 percenter? One of those that has had thousands of miles of trouble-free final drive travels?

I travel without fear of final drive failure, because I am a "Ninty-Six Percenter"! Of course, should things go wrong, I'll get it fixed, and proudly call myself a "Four Percenter"!


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I travel without fear of final drive failure, because I am a "Ninty-Six Percenter"! Of course, should things go wrong, I'll get it fixed, and proudly call myself a "Four Percenter"!


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Less than one percenter?

I am in the group who has never had a final drive failure, but have done a preventive maintenance crown wheel bearing replacement.

What percent of folks have done that? I am guessing less than 1 percent.

I never had a problem. I just like fixing things that aren't broken.
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Re: Are you a 96 Percenter?

better check your English....ninEty six percenter...

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Dude I think you just jinksed yourself. You better go knock on wood somewhere. Don't forget to throw the salt over your left shoulder. Do you not know bragging like this will only bite you in the a$$ later on. Well good luck to you and be sure to report back to us if you percentage points change......

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Now you jinxed it!
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I wish I was.

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Re: Less than one percenter?

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I am in the group who has never had a final drive failure, but have done a preventive maintenance crown wheel bearing replacement.

What percent of folks have done that? I am guessing less than 1 percent.

I never had a problem. I just like fixing things that aren't broken.
+1 for that, I had mine changed at 65.000 km. The old one was still good but you could tell that it had been at hard work...

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Re: Less than one percenter?

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I am in the group who has never had a final drive failure, but have done a preventive maintenance crown wheel bearing replacement.

What percent of folks have done that? I am guessing less than 1 percent.

I never had a problem. I just like fixing things that aren't broken.
So Charlie,

How hard is it to replace the crown wheel bearing ? Is the disassembly/ assembly of the FD extensive ? Require special tools? Other parts required to be replaced at the same time AND....last but definitely not least..... what's it all cost ?

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I am proud to say that i am a 96 percenter!




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yeah... so which side is the 'elite'?

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Re: Are you a 96 Percenter?

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better check your English....ninEty six percenter...

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Re: Are you a 96 Percenter?

OOOOOOOOK!!!!!! Exactly 96% of what number are you a member of???
Have you considered the very strong possibility that the rantings of the unsubstantiated 4% may be off by as much as 75%???

If you don't know how many of these FD's were built and put on the road how can you or they proclaim a fanciful number to be your emblem or marque to how many really failed???

Me,, I am far more pessimistic put myself in the 99 percentile of the unbroken........... Cheers Pete

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So Charlie,
How hard is it to replace the crown wheel bearing ? Is the disassembly/ assembly of the FD extensive ? Require special tools? Other parts required to be replaced at the same time AND....last but definitely not least..... what's it all cost ?
I waited many months (years?) for someone to come up with a technique of measuring bearing preload without the BMW special tool. Read this post and related links:
http://www.bmwlt.com/forums/showthre...95095#poststop
Mucho kudos to Dman for his technique.

I bought a replacement bearing and seal (I didn't use the new seal, the original is still working).
Bearing and preload shim:http://www.maxbmwmotorcycles.com/fic...p?mospid=47964

If you don't have a dial micrometer, one good enough to do the job is cheap:
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...Itemnumber=623

Many folks have found the needle bearings bad on removing the final drive assemble and recommend replacing them. Mine seemed okay. http://www.maxbmwmotorcycles.com/fic...p?mospid=47964

In round numbers: Bearing $140, two needle bearing $60, dial micrometer $15.
Parts are cheaper from Chicago BMW but delivery is slower.

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OOOOOOOOK!!!!!! Exactly 96% of what number are you a member of???
Have you considered the very strong possibility that the rantings of the unsubstantiated 4% may be off by as much as 75%???

If you don't know how many of these FD's were built and put on the road how can you or they proclaim a fanciful number to be your emblem or marque to how many really failed???

Me,, I am far more pessimistic put myself in the 99 percentile of the unbroken........... Cheers Pete
I would not consider a BMW area rep saying that BMW itself has observed a 4% failure rate as being the "rantings of the unsubstantiated".

Even if the actual number were 1%, the fact that it has essentially been ignored by BMW for nearly a decade is inexcusable.

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Thanks for referencing a BMW rep,,,,, That just re-enforces my point.......Pete

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Yes I am, 56,800 on the odometer, 2005 LT - no warranty issues to date, love my bike "and" my wife loves the back seat, one of the reasons I am so fond of the bike.
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