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post #1 of 57 Old Feb 23rd, 2008, 7:16 pm Thread Starter
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It seems the adventurous spirit that calls to us to ride bikes also evokes the "cowboy" in us and many I've met choose to carry "personal protection" when they travel. I myself have a carry permit that I rarely need unless I'm traveling a good distance from home. Now that I'm planning some trips this summer on my new LT I wonder if others "carry" as well and have any advice when traveling long distances and crossing numerous state lines?

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Of course, the obvious advice is to check the laws of the states you will be visiting. You may not be allowed to carry, even if just passing though. And some states consider it a Concealed Weapon, even if it's in your luggage.

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I've got a Remington 12 gauge pump under the bed, a 9mm Beretta with several clips in the office, and a 38 S&W snub nose in a "conceal" book on the living room coffee table. Oh yeah, and an aluminum baseball bat rolling around somewhere...

Am I paranoid? I dunno. I like to think I'm prepared - but then again I only live 90 miles from the Mexican border... and grew up with guns in the house since Dad was career FBI. His advice was to always make damn sure that I kill anyone in a home invasion since dead men tell no tales.

I never carry anything more interesting than my trusty (large) Buck knife on the bike when I travel - a heater just seems to "ruin the moment."

To me, carrying when riding is just plain weird - sorry. Isn't the whole point of riding to get away from the "real world" for a while?


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For many ,many years I carried a 25 caliber something or other clipped to my boot. It was my security blanket away from home. Do whatever makes you feel comfortable. Just remember if you take it out be prepared to use it. don't bluff or you will be eating your weapon.
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There is an interesting long winded thread regarding carrying in the Chitchat sub-forum below. I personally never leave home without it. As for traveling/carrying, the best source of info I have found is "The Travelers Guide to the Firearms Laws of the Fifty States", which costs $13 something and is updated every year (I get one every couple of years just to stay current). You can get it on-line at WWW.gunlawguide.com or from Travelers Guide, P.O. Box 2156, Covington, KY 41012.

The info could save you some aggravation while on the road. It covers each state, how to deal with LEO's, motorcycle transport of firearms if you don't have a concealed carry permit, etc. In the few states that don't allow concealed carry I stop at the state line, unload, lock the weapon in the side case and hold my breath until I cross into a civilized state.

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There is an interesting long winded thread regarding carrying in the Chitchat sub-forum below. I personally never leave home without it. As for traveling/carrying, the best source of info I have found is "The Travelers Guide to the Firearms Laws of the Fifty States", which costs $13 something and is updated every year (I get one every couple of years just to stay current). You can get it on-line at WWW.gunlawguide.com or from Travelers Guide, P.O. Box 2156, Covington, KY 41012.

The info could save you some aggravation while on the road. It covers each state, how to deal with LEO's, motorcycle transport of firearms if you don't have a concealed carry permit, etc. In the few states that don't allow concealed carry I stop at the state line, unload, lock the weapon in the side case and hold my breath until I cross into a civilized state.

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Excellent! Exactly the info I was looking for...thanks.


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There is an interesting long winded thread regarding carrying in the Chitchat sub-forum below. I personally never leave home without it. As for traveling/carrying, the best source of info I have found is "The Travelers Guide to the Firearms Laws of the Fifty States", which costs $13 something and is updated every year (I get one every couple of years just to stay current). You can get it on-line at WWW.gunlawguide.com or from Travelers Guide, P.O. Box 2156, Covington, KY 41012.

The info could save you some aggravation while on the road. It covers each state, how to deal with LEO's, motorcycle transport of firearms if you don't have a concealed carry permit, etc. In the few states that don't allow concealed carry I stop at the state line, unload, lock the weapon in the side case and hold my breath until I cross into a civilized state.

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Steve,

Thanks for the link. Just ordered mine from that link. Ironically I just got back from "riding it (LT) like I stole it" with my 9mm tucked in my belt due to a weird situation at my other house while my son is out of town.

I know more states are finally becoming reciprocal on the Arizona CCW Permit. Which now reminds me, I think mine expires this year.

Ron, thanks for the advanced warning not to piss you off next time I'm over !

This was current to 2006 http://www.ccrkba.org/reciprocity.html

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I usually carry a .45 auto when I ride in Michigan...unless I'm planning on going to Canada.

Which brings me to a question that I've had for awhile now. When riding in Alaska, I would really like to have some protection handy...large enough calibre that would stop a bear or at least a wolf if need be. How do you get it across Canada?

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I usually carry a .45 auto when I ride in Michigan...unless I'm planning on going to Canada.

Which brings me to a question that I've had for awhile now. When riding in Alaska, I would really like to have some protection handy...large enough calibre that would stop a bear or at least a wolf if need be. How do you get it across Canada?
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Don't leave home without it. Don't become a statistic. I have a Nevada CCW and a Utah permit which allows me to carry most everywhere I go. I try and stay out of the republic of Mexifornia but if I do happen to cross the stateline I don't worry much about it.
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Have a Texas CHL and carry a 40 cal Beretta if I work late. When the Katrina folks moved to Houston, they started to follow business people home from the office or place of business and hold them up in the drive way. Also would watch the Sam's parking lot and follow and hold up the ones that had bought cartons of cigs for there stores. I do work for the Stafford Police department and they suggested that I get a CHL. I did and then took the Sugar Land Citizens Police Academy 12 week course to get their point of view on crime. Sugar Land is the 5th safest city over 75,000 in USA.

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Speaking of Kalifornia - I'm going there this summer to visit my son who lives on the Naval Base at Lemoore, CA.

I think I remember I would have to unload and lock up a hand gun before crossing into Kalifornia but what to do with it and where to leave it before going on the Naval base has me stumped.

I'm sure not going to try to sneak it in there! Any ideas? I've thought maybe he'll have a friend off base and I could lock it up disassembled and store it with someone off base while we're there.

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Don't leave home without it. Don't become a statistic. I have a Nevada CCW and a Utah permit which allows me to carry most everywhere I go. I try and stay out of the republic of Mexifornia but if I do happen to cross the stateline I don't worry much about it.
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So how do you qualify for a permit in another state without being a resident ?
Many states have non-resident CPL permits, although there are a few states that will not reciprocate with a non-resident permit that would with a resident permit.

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Ship the gun to Federal Firearms Licensee (FFL) in Alaska. When you get there, pick it up for the trip. Do the same on the way back.


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Speaking of Kalifornia - I'm going there this summer to visit my son who lives on the Naval Base at Lemoore, CA.

I think I remember I would have to unload and lock up a hand gun before crossing into Kalifornia but what to do with it and where to leave it before going on the Naval base has me stumped.

I'm sure not going to try to sneak it in there! Any ideas? I've thought maybe he'll have a friend off base and I could lock it up disassembled and store it with someone off base while we're there.

I'm open to suggestions!

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The only problem with having your weapon in your vehicle while gaining entrance to a military installation, is that you are subject to a random search. Depending upon the level of security being enforced, which is generally commensurate with the type of installation you are entering (i.e., is it a nuclear sub or aircraft carrier base with highly classified restricted areas and/or activities versus a training base with moms, dads, girlfriends, etc. coming and going all the time for graduation ceremonies and general visiting?) will determine the level of scrutiny when you go through the gate. If it's the latter, I would pack it away and not worry about it. But if it's the former, then all bets are off and if you happen to be subjected to a detailed random search and a weapon is found, even if you have a CCW permit, realize it is a felony and you are in for an ugly legal hassel. The good news is, that most bases these days will run the convex mirror under the vehicle and that's about it. Personally, if it's a high security base...your son will know...I would leave it at a friend's or family member's house and pick it up later. The military is being really weird about privately owned weapons these days, for reasons that defy logic if you ask me, but unfortunately that's the way it is.

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I just sent in my Utah CCW application along with my $49.00 and a copy of my Nevada CCW. If you have a Calif. CCW you can get your Nevada CCW. simply by taking an 8 hr. course (in Nevada) and submitting your paper work. But not visa-versa. Dave
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Mexico does not allow at all. In my opinion you would not need it if you stay out of trouble anyway :-)


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It seems the adventurous spirit that calls to us to ride bikes also evokes the "cowboy" in us and many I've met choose to carry "personal protection" when they travel. I myself have a carry permit that I rarely need unless I'm traveling a good distance from home. Now that I'm planning some trips this summer on my new LT I wonder if others "carry" as well and have any advice when traveling long distances and crossing numerous state lines?

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I have checked Packing.org for reciprocity in the states I intend to drive thru while riding my LT. Most of my time is spent in the Rocky Mountains and there is not a problem with reciprocity. My license is for Oklahoma and the other states recognize my right to carry a concealed weapon. I question whether carrying in a saddle bag is the same as on my body under my jacket. I live near an Army base and have for quite a long time gone on to the base to use the range when I want to shoot my rifle as well as my pistol. I have kept all weapons unloaded and in a separate case as well as in different locations from the ammunition. When I traveled to Canada I didn't carry the weapon but I believe the National parks in the US don't allow weapons either and I have probably at some time or another passed thru one of the parks with my weapon on board. Hopefully you will find a solution to your concerns allowing you to carry your weapon when you think it is necessary.
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Fairfax, Va. - At the request of the Bush Administration and 51 members of the United States Senate led by Senator Mike Crapo (R-ID), the National Park Service and U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service prohibition of firearms on agency land will be revised in the following weeks. The National Rifle Association (NRA) is leading the effort to amend the existing policy regarding the carrying and transportation of firearms in National Parks and wildlife refuges.

"Law-abiding citizens should not be prohibited from protecting themselves and their families while enjoying America's National Parks and wildlife refuges," said Chris W. Cox, NRA chief lobbyist. "Under this proposal, federal parks and wildlife refuges will mirror the state firearm laws for state parks. This is an important step in the right direction."

These new regulations, when finalized, will provide uniformity across our nation's federal lands and put an end to the patchwork of regulations that governed different lands managed by different federal agencies. In the past, only Bureau of Land Management (BLM) and Forest Service lands allowed the carrying of firearms, while National Park lands did not.

The current regulations on possession, carry or transportation of loaded or uncased firearms in national parks were proposed in 1982 and finalized in 1983. Similar restrictions apply in national wildlife refuges. The NRA believes it is time to amend those regulations to reflect the changed legal situation with respect to state laws on carrying firearms.

The effect of these now-outdated regulations on people who carry firearms for self-protection was far from the forefront at the time these regulations were adopted. As of the end of 1982, only six states routinely allowed citizens to carry handguns for self-defense. Currently, 48 states have a process for issuance of licenses or permits to allow law-abiding citizens to legally carry firearms for self-defense.

The move for regulatory change by the Administration will restore the rights of law-abiding gun owners who wish to transport and carry firearms for lawful purposes in most National Park lands and will make the laws consistent with state law where these lands are located. Fifty-one U.S. Senators from both parties sent a letter to the Department of Interior late last year supporting the move to render state firearms laws applicable to National Park lands.

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One suggestion for a place to leave a weapon is with a gunsmith or gunshop, usually a small charge is assesed for storage but it will be available when you are ready to depart. This question came up with some friends traveling into Canada and Mexico with their RV. That was the answer I was given!

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I usually carry a .45 auto when I ride in Michigan...unless I'm planning on going to Canada.

Which brings me to a question that I've had for awhile now. When riding in Alaska, I would really like to have some protection handy...large enough calibre that would stop a bear or at least a wolf if need be. How do you get it across Canada?


You could alway mail your piece to a MailBoxes Etc. in Alaska and pick it up when you get there. I think this is perfectly legal?


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The only problem with having your weapon in your vehicle while gaining entrance to a military installation, is that you are subject to a random search. Depending upon the level of security being enforced, which is generally commensurate with the type of installation you are entering (i.e., is it a nuclear sub or aircraft carrier base with highly classified restricted areas and/or activities versus a training base with moms, dads, girlfriends, etc. coming and going all the time for graduation ceremonies and general visiting?) will determine the level of scrutiny when you go through the gate. If it's the latter, I would pack it away and not worry about it. But if it's the former, then all bets are off and if you happen to be subjected to a detailed random search and a weapon is found, even if you have a CCW permit, realize it is a felony and you are in for an ugly legal hassel. The good news is, that most bases these days will run the convex mirror under the vehicle and that's about it. Personally, if it's a high security base...your son will know...I would leave it at a friend's or family member's house and pick it up later. The military is being really weird about privately owned weapons these days, for reasons that defy logic if you ask me, but unfortunately that's the way it is.
I'm not going to risk carrying it on base after what we saw at basic training graduation. All cars were lined up in three rows, everyone had to get out and they had full inspections and dogs sniffing each vehicle! I thought it was a little over the top for parents of graduating sailors who already had passes and authorization to be there for the graduation.

Anyway, after that I'm a little skittish. I may try finding a gun store to put it in while I'm there.

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I'm sorry that I got a SC concealed carry permit. If I'm stopped by The Fuzz in one of the states that isn't reciprocal with SC, I understand they'll know that I have a SC CCW permit as soon as they enter my driver's license info into their computer. If they then ask if I'm carrying, I'm not going to lie to them when a quick pat-down will reveal the weapon. Result: problems.

If I didn't have a CCW permit from ANY state, then a routine police stop would be just that - routine, without The Fuzz ever knowing that I had a weapon on me. What part of "concealed" don't you understand ??? You ever been patted down in a police stop for speeding or any other traffic infraction, or during a routine check? I haven't. Result: no problems.

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I'm sorry that I got a SC concealed carry permit. If I'm stopped by The Fuzz in one of the states that isn't reciprocal with SC, I understand they'll know that I have a SC CCW permit as soon as they enter my driver's license info into their computer. If they then ask if I'm carrying, I'm not going to lie to them when a quick pat-down will reveal the weapon. Result: problems.
At the risk of sounding like Mr. Do Gooder...if you go to a state that doesn't recognize your CPL, then you are breaking the law if you have a concealed pistol. I think that's pretty black and white. Don't carry where you aren't allowed to and you won't have any resulting problems.

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At the risk of sounding like Mr. Do Gooder...if you go to a state that doesn't recognize your CPL, then you are breaking the law if you have a concealed pistol. I think that's pretty black and white. Don't carry where you aren't allowed to and you won't have any resulting problems.

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"F" this...this is way too complicated! I'm takin' my partner Rocky, he's legal and much more agreeable (just don't piss him off), if I can just get the pegs where he likes 'em!

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I have had my CCL (concealed carry license) for about a year now. I highly recommend that every one take and get their CCL, assuming that you do not have any felony convictions. A lot of horrible things are happening to a lot of good people these days and the Police are never around when you really need them. Besides, there is very little chance that they could ever get to you in time to prevent much at all from happening to you. Ultimately, YOUR PROTECTION AND YOUR FAMILYS PROTECTION IS IN YOUR HANDS. I hope that you don't place much faith in the 911 system. More and more of these systems are routing calls through answering services that put you on hold.

I never leave home without my Glock model 30 45 cal. With the economy tanking out car jackings, muggings, home invasions and all other kinds of assaults on good law abiding citizens are just going to keep getting worse and worse. One of my favorite sayings is: All that is needed for evil to triump, is for good men to do nothing. I have a good friend on the Sherifs Department here in NC and he is constantly telling me about how bad the gang activity is and how its growing at an alarming rate.

If you are going to travel out of your state you need to have with you a printed out list of all the states that honor your states CCL. LEOs are often not as informed regarding these matters as you might think. If you are traveling and one of the states that you will be passing through does not honor your permit, assuming that you have a CCL, then you simply need to stop prior to that state line and stow the weapon properly. Hopefully with noone able to view what you are doing. You should know in advance what is required for each state that you will passing through.

I try not to break the law regarding where I carry, but places like rest stops have become prime targets for criminals looking for easy prey and a lot of states do not allow concealed carry in rest stops. I am not saying you should break the law, just be aware of your surroundings at all times, because situational awareness is your greatest asset regarding your safety. The best thing to do is to never stop at a rest stop, especially at night.

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I don't worry about taking along a gun.. I would not like leaving it in the bike when I'm in a restaurant etc. that does not allow firearms.
Now if my wife ever came along, it might be another story. If it's just me, I don't think the LT is worth shooting someone over.
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I ride with protection in a case unloaded but in the locked pannier, the loaded clip is kept in the other pannier. In California that is within the law and considering that California is probably the dumbest, I mean most strict, when it comes to traveling with a firearm so I figure that's good enough.

I really don't worry about it much. If I were to ride in Mexico (NOT) or Canada (love to) then I would leave it at home.

I carry for two reasons:
1. if I break down in an area I do not like, then I get the gun, load the clip, put it in my jacket then make the call for tow, etc. I know I am breaking the law at that point in most states as I do not have a conceal permit (impossible to get in California), and
2. hotel rooms - I don't know why but I always sleep better on my rides at night regardless of where I stay - probably too many movies.

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I used to carry pretty much anywhere I went. Then I realized that the thing I worried most about was my weapon! If I had to leave it in the car or on the bike it was often the most expensive item there. As I have aged I realize also that I don't want to kill anything or anyone. Did enough of that in the late 60's. I do still feel the need for some kind of self defence. Have been thinking about some kind of pepper spray. (With the proper training) Not a chance of killing an innocent bystander or one of my loved ones and I believe they are legal pretty much everywhere. I also don't believe I would shoot someone that was out of range of pepper spray. Just my two cents.
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... I do still feel the need for some kind of self defence. Have been thinking about some kind of pepper spray. (With the proper training) Not a chance of killing an innocent bystander or one of my loved ones and I believe they are legal pretty much everywhere. I also don't believe I would shoot someone that was out of range of pepper spray. Just my two cents.
That's not a bad compromise...I'm still on the fence about this one. It's not about protecting the property, it's about personal protection in situations not of your choosing. I'd like to believe I could get by on the kindness of strangers, but that world is dwindling it seems. Then again, I bought the bike to live a little more adventurously...so it's just deciding where that line's drawn.


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I used to carry pretty much anywhere I went. Then I realized that the thing I worried most about was my weapon! If I had to leave it in the car or on the bike it was often the most expensive item there. As I have aged I realize also that I don't want to kill anything or anyone. Did enough of that in the late 60's. I do still feel the need for some kind of self defence. Have been thinking about some kind of pepper spray. (With the proper training) Not a chance of killing an innocent bystander or one of my loved ones and I believe they are legal pretty much everywhere. I also don't believe I would shoot someone that was out of range of pepper spray. Just my two cents.
Exactly. Very thoughtful.

In almost all the responses here all I see is unbridled bravado and paranoia. Make my day... Mission accomplished.

I've been riding motorcycles non-stop since I was 13 years old all over the world - that's 40 years - and I lately never feel the need to have a gun with me anymore. (I do take exception to that when I go to South Tucson to my fav electronics parts store where all the gang bangers are - but then I almost always take a cage)

When you focus all of your energy on your weapon - where it is, is it loaded, can I go here with it, what if I shoot someone by accident, am I going to get into trouble during a routine traffic stop, and on and on....

If it totally dominates your daily activities and focus - and it SHOULD if you are a responsible gun owner - then it takes away from the joy of riding.

For me it just doesn't fit into the freedom and spontaneous nature of motorcycle touring. Same goes for cell phones and taking business calls when riding. Counter productive, to say the least.

...and before I get totally flamed, remember this is a guy who has 3 different weapons strategically placed on purpose within EASY reach at home. I sleep real good at night - and so does my wife - since we both know where each one is and more importantly HOW and WHEN to use them.

Hand guns are for killing. Motorcycles are for fun. They do NOT mix well. End of discussion.


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No doubt about it, you assume a terrific amount of responsibility when deciding to carry. And you'd better be damned proficient with it if and when you have to use it too. Better yet; hope you never have to. You will find an equal split on this forum on both sides of the coin. With the way things are getting though...a rest stop at night for example...it's a prudent precausion for those motivated to go through the process of obtaining a CCW. As for traveling through states that don't honor your state's carry permit, and they are getting fewer by the day, just pack it away and you'll be fine. Only two situations will cause you trouble in those states...having an accident where everything you have including your firearm is strewn all over the highway, God forbid, and the other is if you are subject to a search. Which means you have either tested the law in some other way, or you are trying to enter either a military installation or Canada or Mexico. I understand the Canadian border police can't take a joke about having a knife, much less a firearm. And Mexico, I don't even want to think about...can you say, "throw away the key?"

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....In almost all the responses here all I see is unbridled bravado and paranoia....lately never feel the need to have a gun with me anymore. (I do take exception to that when I go to South Tucson to my fav electronics parts store where all the gang bangers are)....Hand guns are for killing. Motorcycles are for fun. They do NOT mix well....
No more paranoid then you for carrying a gun in South Tucson. Gang members are everywhere--even in the "good" part of town. They just keep a lower profile and blend in a little better. Are you paranoid for being ready and alert in the bad side of town? Are you in denial for not paying as much attention to your surroundings in the good side of town, because you "feel" safe? Which area is more dangerous? I would submit the good side of town, because your guard is down.

As far as guns and motorcycles mixing, it would depend on who you ask. Those South Tucson gang members might tell you that dope and guns mix very nicely with their motorcycles!

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When is the last time you have heard a motorcyclist getting murdered?????? Are you packing cause you do not want to get rob???? I believe the bad guy will have something pointing at you first before saying, "Give me all your money", and sure hope you do not think of pulling your weapon, thinking you can quick draw, before he kills you. Paying attention to your surroundings is probably the best advise that I have seen on this matter.

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I agree. Then if you decide to walk away and let them have what they want, you have just given them another hand gun..
I see the need, I really do. I'm just not of the mindset that carrying is the solution. I guess I'm just going to play the odds.
However, like I mentioned earlier if my SO was with me.....

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No more paranoid then you for carrying a gun in South Tucson. Gang members are everywhere--even in the "good" part of town. They just keep a lower profile and blend in a little better. Are you paranoid for being ready and alert in the bad side of town? Are you in denial for not paying as much attention to your surroundings in the good side of town, because you "feel" safe? Which area is more dangerous? I would submit the good side of town, because your guard is down.

As far as guns and motorcycles mixing, it would depend on who you ask. Those South Tucson gang members might tell you that dope and guns mix very nicely with their motorcycles!
As always - good points!

(and the paranoia part is right on since I NEVER take the Mercedes there - it's just about like ASKING to be car jacked or robbed)

Situational awareness is probably the best defense - I call it my "spidey sense". It is turned on ALL the time except in my castle.

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No doubt about it, you assume a terrific amount of responsibility when deciding to carry. And you'd better be damned proficient with it if and when you have to use it too. Better yet; hope you never have to. You will find an equal split on this forum on both sides of the coin. With the way things are getting though...a rest stop at night for example...it's a prudent precausion for those motivated to go through the process of obtaining a CCW. As for traveling through states that don't honor your state's carry permit, and they are getting fewer by the day, just pack it away and you'll be fine. Only two situations will cause you trouble in those states...having an accident where everything you have including your firearm is strewn all over the highway, God forbid, and the other is if you are subject to a search. Which means you have either tested the law in some other way, or you are trying to enter either a military installation or Canada or Mexico. I understand the Canadian border police can't take a joke about having a knife, much less a firearm. And Mexico, I don't even want to think about...can you say, "throw away the key?"
We had a feller here in Tucson that spent quite a bit of time - I think it was at LEAST a year - in a Mexican grey bar hotel for possessing a single bullet that was apparently rolling around in his car when crossing. A relatively recent true story.

I can't even imagine what his legal fees were - not to mention he probably had to pay extortion (I mean a fine) to the upstanding Mexcian government to get him out.


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