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Some BMW Engines Now Made In China!

News to me at least. I'm sure other engines will follow this trend

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It appears that BMW may now be going to produce a stripped down naked version of the F800R, basically a minimalist version of the S. However, originally finances dictated it should not go ahead. Now, however, it would appear that there are plans to use the chassis from the F650GS and F800GS (which will supply the engine), which is cheaper and will enable it to come in at an affordable price without affecting sales of the aforementioned 800S.

Despite initially denying it, BMW has now admitted that they have the engines for the G650Xcountry made in China. This has enabled them to reduce the price of this model in the German dealers by 100 Euros. However, people are now asking if other models will be similarly outsourced, risking quality control issues, which might explain the rumor about cheap Boxer-engined bikes that is circulating. Apparently, the idea is to offer lower-spec machines as an entry level to the brand which has, up to now, been acknowledged as a premium one. (If this is true perhaps they should just by out Ural and stick a roundel on the tank!).

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Looks like Mr. Miller is a prophet. Who'da thunk?
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Makes ya wonder if drivelines etc aren't made in China now. Would explain the failure rate

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News to me at least. I'm sure other engines will follow this trend

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It appears that BMW may now be going to produce a stripped down naked version of the F800R, basically a minimalist version of the S. However, originally finances dictated it should not go ahead. Now, however, it would appear that there are plans to use the chassis from the F650GS and F800GS (which will supply the engine), which is cheaper and will enable it to come in at an affordable price without affecting sales of the aforementioned 800S.

Despite initially denying it, BMW has now admitted that they have the engines for the G650Xcountry made in China. This has enabled them to reduce the price of this model in the German dealers by 100 Euros. However, people are now asking if other models will be similarly outsourced, risking quality control issues, which might explain the rumor about cheap Boxer-engined bikes that is circulating. Apparently, the idea is to offer lower-spec machines as an entry level to the brand which has, up to now, been acknowledged as a premium one. (If this is true perhaps they should just by out Ural and stick a roundel on the tank!).

I think you need to post your source.

The G-Series engines are made by Rotax like all F650's in past years. I really don't think they are made in China.

I have been told by BMW NA reps that some of the yet to be realeased smaller engines may be made some where in Asia by established motorcycle manufactures, but not in China...

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For what it's worth, here's one source:

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http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/Articl...ID=5975&Page=1
""Euro Gossip""


I don't buy it. The engines for the Challenge, Moto and Country are made by Rotax. AFAIK they are made in Europe. I'll look into it and let you know...


EDIT: http://www.rubbermag.com/news/0610/061011_05n.html


The new single-cylinder models were developed under the leadership of BMW in cooperation with Aprilia S.p.A., Noale, Italy (Piaggio Group). Production is by Aprilia in their North Italian Scorzč Plant, naturally fulfilling all of BMW's strict quality standards. And as on the F 650 models, the power unit comes from Austrian specialist Rotax, again following the specifications and requirements made by BMW Motorrad.

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naturally fulfilling all of BMW's strict quality standards. again following the specifications and requirements made by BMW Motorrad.
And would these be the simalir to the standards,specifications and requirements for Clutch slaves and final drives?

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Nah - more like a voyeur.

I recently had a contractor install an electrically powered sun shade on my house, and specified that the motor NOT be manufactured in China, since it was a $340.00 option I was talked into that I thought was darned expensive. They swore their motors came from France - which was OK by me since the French (believe it or not) build some really great stuff. I even specified it on the contract.

While the installer was setting it up I inspected the motor - it was indeed made in China. No sunshade for me!

The issue I have is that these companies (not only BMW) need to come clean about country of origin. In the US we have fairly strict laws about country of origin labeling - but exactly who is the watch dog? The Bush administration?

I have a feeling European laws are more lax - probably depends on the country.


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Slight hi-jack, related.

Hey, Ron - you remember posting about a replacement battery for the LT and you wrote some pretty good info on various brands. I think I remember you taking a look at the Panasonic LXC1220P (sumpthin' like that). A comparable battery had good specs, for a lot less dinero, butt, it wuz made in China, so you scratched it off your radar.

I ordered a Panasonic LXC1220P (sumpthin' like that) and guess where it's manufactured???? Yeppir - bingo!! Darn thang works good tho; arrived partially charged and the Battery Tender brought it up to spec in short order.

I tell ya, damn few products are being made places other tha........ aw, nevah mind. My soap box needs a rest!!!



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Nah - more like a voyeur.

I recently had a contractor install an electrically powered sun shade on my house, and specified that the motor NOT be manufactured in China, since it was a $340.00 option I was talked into that I thought was darned expensive. They swore their motors came from France - which was OK by me since the French (believe it or not) build some really great stuff. I even specified it on the contract.

While the installer was setting it up I inspected the motor - it was indeed made in China. No sunshade for me!

The issue I have is that these companies (not only BMW) need to come clean about country of origin. In the US we have fairly strict laws about country of origin labeling - but exactly who is the watch dog? The Bush administration?

I have a feeling European laws are more lax - probably depends on the country.
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Hello all. Long time lurker. I was doing some research before trying to pull the trigger on a new 650 for the little woman & found this.
http://translate.google.com/translat...3fOpenDocument

I just don't get it. Didn't BMW just acquire Husky? Why not use them? Oh well. Anybody got a nice used pre 08 F650 for sale??
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Re: Some BMW Engines Now Made In China!

http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/Articl...ID=5975&Page=1

Scroll down to where it says GERMANY

The article says BMW denied it until recently




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I think you need to post your source.

The G-Series engines are made by Rotax like all F650's in past years. I really don't think they are made in China.

I have been told by BMW NA reps that some of the yet to be realeased smaller engines may be made some where in Asia by established motorcycle manufactures, but not in China...

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http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/Articl...ID=5975&Page=1

Scroll down to where it says GERMANY

The article says BMW denied it until recently

The motors are being assembled by Kymco in Taiwan, no China. It that matters...


EDIT: There are plans to do this, my source says they haven't done any yet...

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Say's they're Made in China- Not Assembled. Who knows what's going on for sure.

I'm sure all the mfgr's are looking at using China somehow. Corporate greed

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Aww this just plain sucks either way, Taiwan or China. Well so much for German Engineering, it don't mean squat to a Chinese or Taiwanian worker.

Is nothing sacred? Are the FD/Bearing issue from being made, or being assembled there now? Is this why they will not acknowledge it? Don't want anyone to know a German Motor Company is making parts in China?

Don't get me wrong my Dell Latitude is made in Taiwan and it is solid as a rock. My only gripe would be the concealment of the products origin. If I think it is made in Germany, and it is in fact made in China, then it would influence my spending on that product if I was informed of it.

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I'm sure all the mfgr's are looking at using China somehow. Corporate greed
I love the way so many things are reduced to "corporate greed." Since when it is a crime to make a profit? Ever heard the term "overhead." Who was it started this concept of demonizing success? Did you know that corporations are made up of "stockholders" and most of that stock is owned by mutual funds? Folks love it when they see their 401K statement go up but may not realize THEY own a piece of the corporate greed and that there's a guy managing the fund making seven figures a year to do his damnedest to make sure you get a "happy"(greedy?) statement. Then there's the complaints about the cost of BMW bikes. Even if you take the exchange rate out of the picture there is a much higher cost of doing business in first world countries through taxation, environmental restrictions, labor, state employment regulations, and the list goes on and on. How about government greed? How about personal greed? How about customer demands to produce a German engineered bike for half the going rate? Is this customer cheapness or maybe customer greed for wanting to buy a $15K bike for less than it costs to produce and deliver it. Greed indeed. If they're assembled in Taiwan(which is China, just ask them) there must be a real tangible business reason to pay and ship the parts half way around the world. Either that or go out of business resulting in a "sad" 401K statement.

And what's the point of raising the "alarm" about anything concerning China? Do you think the quality will be less? Do you think Asians are not capable of quality assembly or manufacturing? The computer mouse you're holding in your right hand was probably made in China(PRC) as are most highend electronics. Last summer I spent $4K repairing a BMW bike with 47K miles on it that was completely manufactured and imported from Germany. I never had a final drive go out on my Goldwing. Perhaps BMW is considering IMPROVING their product by having it assembled in Taiwan. Frankly, I wouldn't care where it is made or assembled if it reduces the failure rate to zero. But then think of all the extra final drive sales the BMW parts department would lose. Hmmm, surely a corporate conspiracy....but that's another topic, right?

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If you knew more about quality control issues mfrgr's have had and still have in China you'd rethink your posting. Ask Gerbing

True China can make quality items, but they have ALOT of trouble maintaining quality during production. One run always seems to be different from the previous.

I think once a company establishes their own people in China to watch over production, things will change for the better.

From my dealings with China, I still don't trust their "standards" yet

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How about customer demands to produce a German engineered bike for half the going rate? Is this customer cheapness or maybe customer greed for wanting to buy a $15K bike for less than it costs to produce and deliver it.
I'd be happy to pay US$15k for a NEW LT...
current Au$ to US$ is about $1: $0.93.... so why are we still looking at AU$35k (~US$32k) for base model?
(I know, nothing to do with China... just saying....)
Might buy my next LT in the US and have a 3 month holiday there for the same amount... heh, heh...

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Oh my gawd ... the sky is falling, the sky is falling! Chinese are assembling our precious German status symbols!

Geez ... this thread totally cracks me up. You all act like only Germans can engineer and build high-quality bikes. All those German-made failed rear drives and shift linkages and trunk latches. Hell, maybe they'll improve with Chinese assembly.
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And if the US dollar continues to be devalued at this pace, BMW parts will soon be made in the USA because China is too expensive. It's already happening. If the fed keeps printing money to inject steroids into the failing economy, in 10 years we'll need a wheelbarrow of banknotes to buy groceries. We'll all have jobs, but won't be able to afford to buy much of what we produce (sound familiar?).

Those goods will all be exported to??????? the Chinese/Indians who are now riding in BMW's while more of us ride bicycles due to an inability to afford gas, maintenance, insurance etc. We'll have a first class military though like the poor Soviet common folk watching the tank/missile parades of the 80's. Like our candidates like to say, "Change" is coming for sure. How the worm turns.

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IMO those problems are a design flaw, not a assembly problem.



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Geez ... this thread totally cracks me up. You all act like only Germans can engineer and build high-quality bikes. All those German-made failed rear drives and shift linkages and trunk latches. Hell, maybe they'll improve with Chinese assembly.

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[QUOTE=Tallyho]I love the way so many things are reduced to "corporate greed." Since when it is a crime to make a profit? Ever heard the term "overhead." Who was it started this concept of demonizing success? Did you know that corporations are made up of "stockholders" and most of that stock is owned by mutual funds? Folks love it when they see their 401K statement go up but may not realize THEY own a piece of the corporate greed and that there's a guy managing the fund making seven figures a year to do his damnedest to make sure you get a "happy"(greedy?) statement. Then there's the complaints about the cost of BMW bikes. Even if you take the exchange rate out of the picture there is a much higher cost of doing business in first world countries through taxation, environmental restrictions, labor, state employment regulations, and the list goes on and on. How about government greed? How about personal greed? How about customer demands to produce a German engineered bike for half the going rate? Is this customer cheapness or maybe customer greed for wanting to buy a $15K bike for less than it costs to produce and deliver it. Greed indeed. If they're assembled in Taiwan(which is China, just ask them) there must be a real tangible business reason to pay and ship the parts half way around the world. Either that or go out of business resulting in a "sad" 401K statement.
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....If the fed keeps printing money to inject steroids into the failing economy, in 10 years we'll need a wheelbarrow of banknotes to buy groceries. We'll all have jobs, but won't be able to afford to buy much of what we produce (sound familiar?)....Like our candidates like to say, "change" is coming for sure....
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