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post #1 of 8 Old Feb 12th, 2008, 12:29 am Thread Starter
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Are You Wearing Gear???

Tax dollars hard at work in Michigan...

http://www.michigan.gov/documents/ms...r_197604_7.pdf

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post #2 of 8 Old Feb 13th, 2008, 6:35 am
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Nice...my home state.

Ole Gov. Granholm has managed to keep Detroit in the number one spot on the Misery index and I just read they have the highest home forclosure rates in the nation. daym shame, its not a bad place to live in a lot of respects.

but no worries, that looks like a comprehensive report, I'll have to read it and see how it will help the economy.

Maybe if everyone bought their protective gear in MI....
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I read the report and found myself asking a few questions about their methodology:

1. How do they guess the age of riders who are wearing protective gear (e.g., full face helmets)? By body shape?

2. Do they include garments made from abrasion-resistant fabrics (e.g., cordura, etc.), which are designed specifically for motorcycle riders, in the "leather" category or do they count them the same as a cotton dress shirt or slacks?

3. How can they differentiate between types of boots, if the rider's pants cover the ankles?

4. Some armor may not be all that visible. How do they know that they are seeing it?

5. Etc.

In my opinion, there is significant room for error. As far as I can tell, the observers had to make a lot of "best guesses". It is hard to tell how much the poorly-defined categories (e.g., leather), coupled with observational difficulties, might skew the results.
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I read the report and found myself asking a few questions about their methodology:

1. How do they guess the age of riders who are wearing protective gear (e.g., full face helmets)? By body shape?

2. Do they include garments made from abrasion-resistant fabrics (e.g., cordura, etc.), which are designed specifically for motorcycle riders, in the "leather" category or do they count them the same as a cotton dress shirt or slacks?

3. How can they differentiate between types of boots, if the rider's pants cover the ankles?

4. Some armor may not be all that visible. How do they know that they are seeing it?

5. Etc.

In my opinion, there is significant room for error. As far as I can tell, the observers had to make a lot of "best guesses". It is hard to tell how much the poorly-defined categories (e.g., leather), coupled with observational difficulties, might skew the results.
+1 on those questions. I had more or less the same issues with the data collection listed in the report.

In addition, what about the goggle category? Why would someone with a full face helmet and face shield still wear goggles? Maybe the category should have been "eye protection" instead of goggles.

And they put gloves in the body armor category? Wow.

Mopeds. Michigan doesn't require helmet use on a moped, and yet they include these riders in their data.

I just hope that they don't use this report as the basis for insurance premiums or anything else important.

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The important thing, guys, is that this comprehensive report, no doubt at the tax payer's expense, will make a significant impact on the problem areas within the state--such as Detroit. Now, normally, you would think this is good, right? Wrong! In the new Amerika, positive steps toward correcting a problem are not acceptable. What's important, is that we all get together, hold hands, and talk about the problem--paying particular attention to how we feel about it.

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I think we need to give them some credit for the effort and if you read the Program Enhancements part it looks like the recommendations are good. "encourage the use of protective gear"

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I think we need to give them some credit for the effort and if you read the Program Enhancements part it looks like the recommendations are good. "encourage the use of protective gear"
Excuse me, but, this report is from 2006...

I live in Michigan, I've never seen it before, never heard of it, renewed my DL 7 months ago with MC endorsement, never was given a copy, or a talk about safety or protective gear.

Just how do you think they may "encourage the use of protective gear"!?

Michigan has a state government that is barely able to function. And this study is just another example of poor information gathering, money ill spent with no benefits to MI residents.

As far as who really needs to be shown the light, its the cruiser folks! They are the ones getting splattered and ATGATT means nothing to most of them.

Don't need to spend tax dollars on that, just ask 'em.

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I'm not sure if this report will have any impact at all. But one thing we have taken notice at the shows in our booth is the Harley/ cruiser rider is starting to take notice of our jackets. Something only two years ago they would just laugh at. Maybe there's hope after all..........but then again a fellow who was selling the "soup bowel" helmets sold a bunch last weekend. Go figure!
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