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post #1 of 9 Old Feb 12th, 2008, 12:04 am Thread Starter
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The other day, while on my way to work, I spotted a motor officer next to the school at the end of my street. He was sitting on a Honda 1300 police bike. He was a Chandler AZ PD officer. I asked him how he liked the Honda over the BMW. He stated that he really liked it better. I asked why, he stated that the clutch on the BMW would only last about 17 seconds under hard slipping conditions and it was gone but the Honda had no clutch problems. I will ask him how he likes the Honda this summer when the temps are 105 - 115 in the sun. About two months ago I asked a friend who still works at Phx PD and asked him which bikes they were going to use. He stated that the decision was to buy half HD and the other half Honda. I asked him what the problem was with the BMW. He stated that AZ DPS hated them and even though they are a good high speed bike they were not good at the slow 3-5 mph speeds they are sometimes used during parades and work.

About three weeks ago I was in Tucson at Ironhorse and talking with John, a service manager about the BMW police bike. He mentioned that Tucson had purchased the HD and he had heard that they were having numerous problems one of which was over heating.

I would like to hear from any of our current LEO's riding police RT1200's and get their input so that I have good responses for some of the objections of the RT.

It seems to me that BMW sells a lot of RT's to police agencies all over the world, including those in hot climates and they keep selling them and selling them and selling them.

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Check out the second part of this video. There is no problem with RTP's under 5mph. The video is an 1150 but it still illustrates the point.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...arch&plindex=4


Motors that have been riding wet clutch bikes (HD,Kawi) don't always like the BMW's dry clutch. It has to be ridden a little differently...

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I've attached a PDF of a study done by the Michigan State Police. Good info...
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There is no need to slip the clutch for 17 seconds. Sounds like they do not know how to ride.

We love our RTPs and this is first time in 20 years that the PD keep the same brand. Our last batch of BMW we only replace one clutch per bike in 5 years. Mine lasted for about 36K and went through 2 to 3 rodeos a year. Rodeos can be rough on clutches. But we train no clutch no brakes to save the clutch.

Honda we tested and there were two things that we did not like. Heat and the un-stability at higher speed. When the betting started, our dealer did not put in.

Our city also liked that the BMW was a police vehicle out of the box. No add ons, comes equipped with lights and siren. We also like the lower seat that we bought for two of our riders.

I also keep a copy of the Michigan State Police in my trunk. So if someone wants to compare I pull it out. If some one wants to ask why not buy American, I tell them my Ford police car was made in Canada.

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Thanks for the info

John and Ted,
Thanks for the information. I think that the departments out here just want to go to HD because of lot of people, including LEO's like the HD even on their off time. A status symbol if you will. The Chandler officer I spoke to of course did not know who I was or that I rode. I was just asking a couple of quick questions and he probably thought that this is just another dumb citizen that does not know diddley squat about motorcycles or even police motorcycles and riding. Even though I was never a motor during my career I used to be an MSF instructor and firmly believe that Motor training should start out with the MSF basic rider course and then into experienced rider course and then onto the specialized Police training, which in most cases is just a lot of practice on the scooter. However most police agencies have an ego when it comes to training and all believe in "their" way. Time will tell.

I for one, may be looking for a reconditioned RTP in the future as most of my riding is solo and when my wife wants to ride I will have the LT. I think it would be a fun daily rider and even 2-7 day trips would be easily ridden on one.

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John and Ted,
I for one, may be looking for a reconditioned RTP in the future as most of my riding is solo and when my wife wants to ride I will have the LT. I think it would be a fun daily rider and even 2-7 day trips would be easily ridden on one.
Rob: That is exactly what I did. In fact I have John's previous motor. I do love my LT and I love my LT with my wife on the back. But sometimes I enjoy the handling and the agility of the RT-P. It is a fun bike to ride; and "it's pretty". (No pun intended John).

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Rob: That is exactly what I did. In fact I have John's previous motor. I do love my LT and I love my LT with my wife on the back. But sometimes I enjoy the handling and the agility of the RT-P. It is a fun bike to ride; and "it's pretty". (No pun intended John).

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....he stated that the clutch on the BMW would only last about 17 seconds under hard slipping conditions....
I cannot imagine why you would do such a thing?! I know, he tested it himself, right?

You're right! In the middle of July, under that Arizona sun, that Honda is gonna cook him!

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." (Some really OLD friggin' White dude who couldn't have possibly known what he was talking about!) WARNING: Official HATE speech!
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....If some one wants to ask why not buy American, I tell them my Ford police car was made in Canada.
....and blows up like a propane tank when hit from behind! Don't ask how I know that....

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." (Some really OLD friggin' White dude who couldn't have possibly known what he was talking about!) WARNING: Official HATE speech!
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