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Was it just me or did anyone visiting the Cleveland Motorcycle show think it was terribly unorganized (vendor area)?? With as big a space as they have to work with, I just couldnt get in a proper flow? Or was it just that crowded? the place was packed. Dont think I will go on Sat. afternoon again.

Just wondered if it was me.

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I know what you're saying, Glen. The north ends of the aisles were awkwardly set up. The aisles didn't run all the way from north to south, so you had to lots of backtracking if you wanted to see every little vendor at the show.

For me, the bigger negative was the traffic getting to the show. I posted about this previously so I won't rant about it again. Joe has a secret back entrace (from the west side, around the airport?) so we should follow him in next year!

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It was as crowded as I have ever seen it howard, and next time we will give you the short cut, exit at bagley and go to 237 and you come in from the south, or as Joe said the backdoor is a little trickier.

So did you like the v-strom?

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This is good to hear:

The Atlanta show was set up poorly and the show itself was terrible.

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It was as crowded as I have ever seen it howard, and next time we will give you the short cut, exit at bagley and go to 237 and you come in from the south, or as Joe said the backdoor is a little trickier.

So did you like the v-strom?

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237 from the south would have saved me almost an hour of sitting on Snow Rd.

Yes, it my first in-person look at the V-Stroms. I talked at length with a Suzuki rep who showed me the bikes, pointed out the differences, etc. Threw a leg over each one. Nice bike, nice price, easy maintenance. Very different from a full-on touring bike, of course.

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Talking Go Friday......beat the traffic

As some of you already know, KTM is one of my clients, so I was there Friday afternoon to make sure all was well. Drove right up to the gate to park, handed the gal my $8, and entered the show at 3:30. Show formally opened at 4. I walked the complete show, had a $5.50 Labatts Blue draft beer, and left at 7:30. Very light attendance Friday evening. KTM gave me a FREE ticket too!

I liked the Ducati display. Jeff & Sally Saltzman who own Crooked River Motorcycles (Akron Duc dealership) seem like really good people. Jeff quoted retail for the 1098 family ($15,995 base, $19,995 S, $39,995 R). I might go get one of those Ducs next.....

Shot of my new 990 Super Duke attached.

With the new Boxster S, the 2006 GT, and the new Duke, something gotta go. My 100 year old garage can't handle my toys.

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Was it just me or did anyone visiting the Cleveland Motorcycle show think it was terribly unorganized (vendor area)?? With as big a space as they have to work with, I just couldnt get in a proper flow? Or was it just that crowded? the place was packed. Dont think I will go on Sat. afternoon again.

Just wondered if it was me.
Having attended this show for many years in a row, I can tell you that it was arranged very differently than any other year. I did not like it as well. I'm hoping they will learn from this mistake and re-evaluate next year.

Speaking of next year ... I should post Garmin routes from each direction so as to help my brothers that are coming from afar to visit the IX Center. I'll also include a waypoint for the BEST Mexican restaurant in the area . . . a whole 3 minutes away from the parking lot of the show. Nancy, my niece, a friend, and myself ate there afterward and it was just as awesome as usual. A great way to end a long day of motorcycle gawking.
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Just got back from the show (Sunday). Traffic no problem - drove right in on 237 without even slowing down. Parked pretty much up front at about 11:00 a.m. Lots of people, but not shoulder to shoulder. Usually avoid the last day of shows, since vendors seem pretty much exhausted and start packing up early to leave, but didn't notice much of that, this time.

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Well the snow and cold will be gone soon,then we will be able to talk about good things, like riding motorcycles.

Hang in there

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ps.. no comments from our brothers in the south please!
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Trade Show Layout

I attend at least a half dozen national & international trade shows every year. The big spenders are given the space near the entrance for traffic exposure and pay accordingly. Based on fees our company has to pay I'd estimate that the major players shell out $5-10K. However, since this is a national traveling show and they gain revenue from attendees, it may not be that much.

It is difficult to take it all in, in a methodical manner since the isles are broken up by the larger displays, but really guys, how much did you drop at the leather vest shoppe or anti-fog spray on your glasses booth. It's been my recent experience that the BMWMOA and CCR are well supported by vendors that are of interest to the BMW owners/riders. I wasn't that impressed by the BMWRA in Asheville, but the entire venue was outside.

I do like to "people watch". There wasn't much eye candy but I wouldn't let my SO parade around like some of the leather ladies(?)

Watched the BMW booth and activity around the LT. There were many HOG members that climbed on and smiled. There was even one telling all his friends about the heated seats, grips, hydraulic center stand and electric windshield. Not sure you can see it in the photos, but all of the models had some type of Harley insignia. Mentioned to one onlooker that I rode back from Lake of the Ozarks in one day. His jaw dropped.

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So this is what it feels like going around a corner over 50 mph?

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So this is what it feels like going around a corner over 50 mph?
Actually, believe it was a recovery from vertigo . . .

(Really, a non-flash photo & he moved! Great sub-title though. I posted it because of the Harley patch)

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So this is what it feels like going around a corner over 50 mph?
Nope. That's what it feels like at 80 years old!
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I attend at least a half dozen national & international trade shows every year. The big spenders are given the space near the entrance for traffic exposure and pay accordingly. Based on fees our company has to pay I'd estimate that the major players shell out $5-10K. However, since this is a national traveling show and they gain revenue from attendees, it may not be that much.

It is difficult to take it all in, in a methodical manner since the isles are broken up by the larger displays, but really guys, how much did you drop at the leather vest shoppe or anti-fog spray on your glasses booth. It's been my recent experience that the BMWMOA and CCR are well supported by vendors that are of interest to the BMW owners/riders. I wasn't that impressed by the BMWRA in Asheville, but the entire venue was outside.

I do like to "people watch". There wasn't much eye candy but I wouldn't let my SO parade around like some of the leather ladies(?)

Watched the BMW booth and activity around the LT. There were many HOG members that climbed on and smiled. There was even one telling all his friends about the heated seats, grips, hydraulic center stand and electric windshield. Not sure you can see it in the photos, but all of the models had some type of Harley insignia. Mentioned to one onlooker that I rode back from Lake of the Ozarks in one day. His jaw dropped.

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It's approximately $2K for a 10' x 20' not including union fees for carting your stuff in and out. Also at most of the Cycle World venues you can not set up your booth yourself if it's bigger then a 10'x 10', you must hire union labor including union electricians. So a display like BMW, Honda, Ducati, must be costing closer to $20K per show, not including paying for sales associates, lodging, transportation, etc.
The problem with vendors at the RA rally last year was it was being held at almost the same time as Americade. This year it's the same time as the Honda Hoot. Since I wasn't impressed with the Hoot last year I'll be heading for the RA rally in the UP. This year I believe the Moto GP in CA. is the same time as the MOA national, so I don't know if that's going to hurt the MOA or not.
This year will be a tough year for vendors. The economy and fuel prices (Diesel is thru the roof) are making it tough. It will really be tough for alot of the smaller rallies, it no longer makes sense to do some of these now. You can't even make enough to pay expenses!

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I attended the show in Novi, Mi. and volunteered to work the LT display at the BMW booth so the guys could take a break and grab some lunch. In the several hours I spent there I would have to say that 90% of the people drooling over the LT were either HOG members or Honda riders.

Most could'nt believe that the ABS were standard, unlike HD and Honda,but the power windshield and centerstand really had them drooling. Once they got on the bike they did'nt want to get off. Most wished they could ride one and were shocked when told " No Problem" dealer will let you test ride one as long as there was no snow or ice on the roads


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Joe said the backdoor is a little trickier.

hmmmmmm.....sums it up right there, eh Joe?


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the BEST Mexican restaurant in the area . . . a whole 3 minutes away from the parking lot of the show.)
You must be talking about Maya......great Mexican food, better margaritas and even better pricing.


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