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I'm sure there will be some comments on this:

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I in no way endorse this, just found it and thought it would bring some good discussion. I do however ride with my older children once there legs reach the foot pegs and we all wear all the gear for every ride.
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You're right - the driver should have on a full face helmet and armored jacket....

I think its great that he's paying attention to his kid instead of leaving him home staring at the inside of a crib. ....as long as he has given some serious thought to how that seat is attached - along with a DOT rated helmet that actually fits the kid - which is doubtful.

I can just hear all the safety nazi's in their SUV's and mini-vans on their cell phones calling the cops and claiming child endangerment. Screw 'em.


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Just look at the riders gear... It's ok if he want's to get hurt, but to haul a child like this should be illegal. I take my 11 year grandson riding, but he is tall enough to reach the floorboards, wears full gear and knows the rules how to be a passenger very well. In fact, he points out unsafe riders as we ride.

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Just look at the riders gear... It's ok if he want's to get hurt, but to haul a child like this should be illegal. I take my 11 year grandson riding, but he is tall enough to reach the floorboards, wears full gear and knows the rules how to be a passenger very well. In fact, he points out unsafe riders as we ride.
Only if you have a DOT rated helmet for an 11 year old's head and - I guess - some sort of motocross armor?

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Only if you have a DOT rated helmet for an 11 year old's head and - I guess - some sort of motocross armor?
Womens gear from a friends wife works perfect on this 4'10 tall boy, helmet and all.

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Womens gear from a friends wife works perfect on this 4'10 tall boy, helmet and all.
Kewl, but here's what you really need: (notice the seat belts...)
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Kewl, but here's what you really need:
Ron, I bet we can sell this. I can see the optinons list now:

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Ron, I bet we can sell this. I can see the optinons list now:

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There is really no limit... LOL
I actually DID come up with a design for a passenger "seat belt" to keep the wife from falling off during snoozes. We had a girl do exactly that a couple of summers ago - she was seriously injured. The fact that she was only wearing a halter top, no helmet and a beer or six in her may have contributed to her demise.

My design had velcro closures and soft rubber mounting points instead of a traditional buckle and hard points so that you would "separate" from the bike in a crash.

The more I thought about it I knew it would sell - but I could just see the throngs of lawyers lining up at my door after the first accident claiming spinal cord injuries...


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Totslly illegal and stupid. If the passenger can't reach the pegs thay can't ride! He deserves a ticket and arrest for child endangerment!

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Not sure what to think about this. If the child has full protective gear, is it legal in whatever state?

I don't think I'd take my 5YO granddaughter on the bike. Maybe later, if her parents were 100% OK with it, of course. Even then I'd be having second thoughts. I would not want to make that phone call, you know?

I saw a guy on a bike with his paraplegic wife once. He stores his wife's wheelchair in their Bushtec trailer, puts her on the back seat, and away they go. Difference is, she's "of age" and able to decide for herself.

The site you provided the link to has many videos/stories related to child endangerment, some more obvious than this one -- kid left in back seat while parents shop, etc.

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Totslly illegal and stupid. If the passenger can't reach the pegs thay can't ride! He deserves a ticket and arrest for child endangerment!

I dont know for sure, but it sure looks like he has some footrests built up for the kid....

or, it could be his seat! LOL
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I can just hear all the safety nazi's in their SUV's and mini-vans on their cell phones calling the cops and claiming child endangerment. Screw 'em.
Calling while driving, applying make up, in between reading the newspaper and chaniging CDs while sipping their latte!

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Call the police for what??? What law is he breaking??? The kids got a helmet, got him in a seat so he does not fall out. Great idea.

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The more I look at that still picture I'm convinced the driver is a loser. Jeans, t-shirt and one of those stupid "German" hard hats that is supposed to be a helmet? At least he is wearing eye protection.

The odds that he has thought out (or bought) any additional safety precautions for his kid are slim to none. I would not be surprised if he used bungee cords to hold the child seat on.

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Call the police for what??? What law is he breaking??? The kids got a helmet, got him in a seat so he does not fall out. Great idea.
California law says the passenger must be able to reach the foot-pegs.

Do any of you guys really think it's safe to strap a child to a motorcycle??

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The more I look at that still picture I'm convinced the driver is a loser. Jeans, t-shirt and one of those stupid "German" hard hats that is supposed to be a helmet? At least he is wearing eye protection.

The odds that he has thought out (or bought) any additional safety precautions for his kid are slim to none. I would not be surprised if he used bungee cords to hold the child seat on.

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"German" Helmet ??? Does not look like a Schubert to me...

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I'm sure there will be some comments on this:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=338_1198554365

I in no way endorse this, just found it and thought it would bring some good discussion. I do however ride with my older children once there legs reach the foot pegs and we all wear all the gear for every ride.
This is safe as compared to seeing whole family on 125cc bike in Malaysia. I saw the kid in the basket in the front on the motorcycle riden by mom and dad. No helmets.

In Phillipines I counted as much as 5 people on motorcycle with a side car. (Actually it is part of the public transportation)

You can always argue that US is no Asia. But aren't we all humans and deserve to be safe?

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California law says the passenger must be able to reach the foot-pegs.

Do any of you guys really think it's safe to strap a child to a motorcycle??
http://www.flsenate.gov/Welcome/inde...TOKEN=17610459


Then look up statue FS 316.2085





I guess in Florida you could get nailed for not seating on the seat.

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I guess in Florida you could get nailed for not seating on the seat.
Why don't you cut and paste the text you're referring too. I couldn't find it...

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A for effort, but stupidity wins out on this one in my book....

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Why don't you cut and paste the text you're referring too. I couldn't find it...
316.2085 Riding on motorcycles or mopeds.--

(1) A person operating a motorcycle or moped shall ride only upon the permanent and regular seat attached thereto, and such operator shall not carry any other person, nor shall any other person ride on a motorcycle or moped, unless such motorcycle or moped is designed to carry more than one person, in which event a passenger may ride upon the permanent and regular seat if designed for two persons or upon another seat firmly attached to the motorcycle or moped at the rear or side of the operator.

(2) A person shall ride upon a motorcycle or moped only while sitting astride the seat, facing forward, with one leg on each side of the motorcycle or moped.

(3) No person shall operate a motorcycle or moped while carrying any package, bundle, or other article which prevents the person from keeping both hands on the handlebars.

(4) No operator shall carry any person, nor shall any person ride, in a position that will interfere with the operation or control of the motorcycle or moped or the view of the operator.

(5) A person under 16 years of age may not:

(a) Operate a motorcycle that has a motor with more than 150 cubic centimeters displacement.

(b) Rent a motorcycle or a moped.

(6) A violation of this section is a noncriminal traffic infraction, punishable as a moving violation as provided in chapter 318.

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316.2085 Riding on motorcycles or mopeds.--

(1) A person operating a motorcycle or moped shall ride only upon the permanent and regular seat attached thereto, and such operator shall not carry any other person, nor shall any other person ride on a motorcycle or moped, unless such motorcycle or moped is designed to carry more than one person, in which event a passenger may ride upon the permanent and regular seat if designed for two persons or upon another seat firmly attached to the motorcycle or moped at the rear or side of the operator.

(2) A person shall ride upon a motorcycle or moped only while sitting astride the seat, facing forward, with one leg on each side of the motorcycle or moped.

(3) No person shall operate a motorcycle or moped while carrying any package, bundle, or other article which prevents the person from keeping both hands on the handlebars.

(4) No operator shall carry any person, nor shall any person ride, in a position that will interfere with the operation or control of the motorcycle or moped or the view of the operator.

(5) A person under 16 years of age may not:

(a) Operate a motorcycle that has a motor with more than 150 cubic centimeters displacement.

(b) Rent a motorcycle or a moped.

(6) A violation of this section is a noncriminal traffic infraction, punishable as a moving violation as provided in chapter 318.

History.--s. 1, ch. 71-135; s. 1, ch. 76-31; s. 9, ch. 87-161; s. 320, ch. 95-148; s. 7, ch. 96-414; s. 164, ch. 99-248.
Don't think that kid is sitting "astride" the bike. More like on top of it.

Really doesn't matter though. He's locked in to/on to that bike and if it goes down he's gonna get hurt....

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I've seen kids as young as 5 on dirt bikes, and no one blinks. There's plenty of good kids gear.

I don't see how a kid in a seat on a bike is any less safe than a kid on a bicycle add-on seat or a car seat in a car. In a high speed collision you're pretty much screwed, a parking lot drop would be as bad as a drop on a bicycle.

So really the only thing dangerous about this is traffic... yeah, those same dumb-ass cagers that will pull out in front of you, merge into your lane without looking and talking on their cell phones, and rear end you at stop signs. And they're as much of a danger to all of us as they are to a kid on a bike.

That said, I'd never do this with my own daughter. Not for her safety, for mine -- mommy would have my nuts in a vice if I tried this. :-)
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I've seen kids as young as 5 on dirt bikes, and no one blinks. There's plenty of good kids gear.

I don't see how a kid in a seat on a bike is any less safe than a kid on a bicycle add-on seat or a car seat in a car. In a high speed collision you're pretty much screwed, a parking lot drop would be as bad as a drop on a bicycle.
How can you compare this to a kid on a dirt bike. I got my nephew a Honda 50 for his 5th birthday and he rides around the OHV park at 10mph with ALL the gear (helmet, neck roll, chest protector etc)

I would NEVER stap him onto the back seat of my LT.

That kid is STRAPPED into that bike. If dad loses his footing at a stop light and drops the bike, that kid is gonna get hurt. If he looses it in a turn and the bike slides until it hits something the kid is with the bike and is REALLY gonna get hurt when the bike stops.

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This is one of the best "discussions" we've had in a while - where's Ken and Joe when ya need em?

Damn, I hate to admit it - but I sure do miss 'em. They both always bring an interesting perspective to the table. C'mon guys - chime in!

I have mixed feeling on this:

On the one hand I am a staunch supporter of personal freedom and liberty to do whatever the heck you want as long as you are not hurting anyone else or breaking any laws. Let' not forget - as far as we know - the kid is still alive and kickin' and probably thrilled that his dad took him on a ride. He could have locked him up in day care or leave him staring at the walls (or worse yet - TV) at home. When I think of all the dead beat parents out there...

On the other hand I simply can't stand overt stupidity, and the driver's "dress code" shows me that he is an idiot - pure and simple. Most likely he has not taken what I consider to be significant safety precautions to protect his kid.

This guy is a moron - but I defend his right to be a moron and raise his kid as he sees fit.

I guess this real issue is that when he crosses the line and more or less forces his stupidity on an innocent child that doesn't have any say in the matter.... that's a problem.

His primary responsiblity as the driver is to protect himself FIRST - thereby insuring that his passenger (no matter what the age) has the benefit of his carefull planning and fore thought.


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It is clear the rider (father?) is guilty of violating the vehicle code (at least in California). So, would it not then follow that he could be held to answer for the child endangerment penal code violation, at least the misdemeanor section? After all he willfully placed the child in that position – a position that his fellow citizens said he shall not place a child.

Here is what the people of the state of California (via their elected legislators) have to say on the matter:

California Vehicle Code:
27800. It is unlawful for a driver of a motorcycle or a motorized bicycle to carry any other person thereon, except on a seat securely fastened to the machine at the rear of the driver and provided with footrests, or in a sidecar attached to a motorcycle and designed for the purpose of carrying a passenger. Every passenger on a motorcycle or a motorized bicycle shall keep his feet on the footrests while such vehicle is in motion.


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273a. (a) Any person who, under circumstances or conditions likely
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any child to suffer, or inflicts thereon unjustifiable physical pain
or mental suffering, or having the care or custody of any child,
willfully causes or permits the person or health of that child to be
injured, or willfully causes or permits that child to be placed in a
situation where his or her person or health is endangered, shall be
punished by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year, or
in the state prison for two, four, or six years.
(b) Any person who, under circumstances or conditions other than
those likely to produce great bodily harm or death, willfully causes
or permits any child to suffer, or inflicts thereon unjustifiable
physical pain or mental suffering, or having the care or custody of
any child, willfully causes or permits the person or health of that
child to be injured, or willfully causes or permits that child to be
placed in a situation where his or her person or health may be
endangered, is guilty of a misdemeanor.

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So, the guy needs to have footrests for the kid to be legal in Kalifornia. End of story.

If you strictly interpret the rest of the law, taking ANY kid for a ride on a motorcycle would be illegal - since we ALL know that they are inherently dangerous! .


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Then we should be citing every numbnut parent who lets their little kids run across a busy shopping center parking lot. We've all seen it. Happens a bajillion times a day.

We should also be citing parents who let their kids stand up in the car, or ride without a seatbelt fastened around them.

We can't legislate common sense, but the issues becomes: whose common sense is the standard? I've seen people whose basic thought process apparently is: Let little Johnny run between those parked cars; if he gets hurt, he'll learn a valuable lesson. "That'll teach 'em."

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"I got my nephew a Honda 50 for his 5th birthday and he rides around the OHV park at 10mph with ALL the gear (helmet, neck roll, chest protector etc)"

I got myself a 50cc '69 mini trail a few months back and I think it is (going to to be) a fairly dangerous motorsickle.

I will admit to bumping it up to a 110 and mounting some street Michelins on it along with some very aggressive and detailed match porting, open exhaust, large counter sprocket and a new cam. Still very much a work in progress missing quite a few parts, paint and windshield, but I am projecting a top speed of 70mph.

On eight inch wheels.

It will have electric start and HID headlight.

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Then look up statue FS 316.2085





I guess in Florida you could get nailed for not seating on the seat.
Motorcycles or Mopeds/Reckless Driving; Provides that if a person is
operating or is in actual physical control of a motorcycle while driving
recklessly, a law enforcement officer shall arrest the person, take him
or her into custody, and seize the motorcycle. Requires that a person
riding on a motorcyle or moped must ride while sitting astride the seat
with one leg on each side and with both wheels on the ground at all
times, etc. EFFECTIVE DATE: 10/01/2008.
12/14/07 SENATE Filed

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"I got my nephew a Honda 50 for his 5th birthday and he rides around the OHV park at 10mph with ALL the gear (helmet, neck roll, chest protector etc)"

I got myself a 50cc '69 mini trail a few months back and I think it is (going to to be) a fairly dangerous motorsickle.

I will admit to bumping it up to a 110 and mounting some street Michelins on it along with some very aggressive and detailed match porting, open exhaust, large counter sprocket and a new cam. Still very much a work in progress missing quite a few parts, paint and windshield, but I am projecting a top speed of 70mph.

On eight inch wheels.

It will have electric start and HID headlight.

It is morphing into a - GASP - BMW!

Uhhh...that's cool....I think


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He's entitled to his opinion...

I'm offended by your comment. I am a bigot too??

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Very poor idea. I don't think he intentionally endangered his kid's life. He just does not understand child seats.

I am a certified child safety seat technitian. Child safety seats are designed to have the child slow down in a collision, which is referred to as the "ride down effect." The plastic seats are not designed for roll-over protection, or for crushing type of collisions. Being that the seat was bolted down to the motorcycle, the kid would have been stuck with the bike as it went down. Bad place to be.

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Totslly illegal and stupid. If the passenger can't reach the pegs thay can't ride! He deserves a ticket and arrest for child endangerment!
After you get over the knee jerk reaction look at the video.
The kid has foot pegs, you can see them when they are stopped in the turning lane.
If you teach your kid to spell they might arrest you for child endangerment
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Motorcycles or Mopeds/Reckless Driving; Provides that if a person is
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recklessly, a law enforcement officer shall arrest the person, take him
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times, etc. EFFECTIVE DATE: 10/01/2008.
12/14/07 SENATE Filed

Sitting properly.
Okay this is why John did not get nabbed for his bike being on it's side, "not having both wheels on the ground or a leg on each side of the motorcycle at all times". Note the effective date, so all you guys that said he was getting special treatment cause he was a LEO, step back.
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Let me start of by saying that if I had kids I wouldn't do this,

however I don't feel I have any business telling him how to raise/transport his kids,
it does appear the child is wearing jacket/helmet/chaps.

Here's my conflict, I don't want to be a hypocrite,

I learned to ride on the gas tank and then the back seat of my fathers
50cc/125cc motorbike in Holland and Germany, no footpegs, no gear.
from a child's perspective it was totaly awesome, those were the "best" times of my childhood.

ofcourse that was then, times have changed and so has the traffic.

But I'm sure glad no-one (well intentioned) can take those memories away from me.


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Let me start of by saying that if I had kids I wouldn't do this,
...that was then, times have changed and so has the traffic.

But I'm sure glad no-one (well intentioned) can take those memories away from me.
Right on, Hans... I had a seatbelt from a car that I used to buckle my buckaroo's around my torso.. in front of me. They could put their feet on the air cleaner and engine mounts... that way their tootsies didn't get ground up in the chain and sprocket. .. wouldn't want to do anything dangerous...

They also had "helmets"... real ones... with "comp" shields. We never rode them "in traffic" as the guy did in the video..

They learned clutch/gas and "countersteering" from an early age.

They learned "safe" things and things about life as I would talk to them as we rode. They probably don't remember, but I do... and I'll tell them someday.

When my Dad said. ."You rode my Grandson on your motorcycle?? I thought I did a better job than that raising you.".. I said..

"Sure you did, Pop... Don't you recall having me sit under the 4 straight exhausts on the O-360 engine in the AIRBOAT so you didn't have to worry about your Lab going through the prop?"

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Interesting thread. I am glad that I read it because it reminded me to go get my son out of the top rear box of the LT. Thought it has been quiet around here since CHRISTmas.

Ok..just kidding he's 19 and rides a Yamaha crotch rocket. I agree with Silver Buffalo.

Times have changed, all our parents would be convicted of abuse/endangerment today, if they did what they did back then, today.

I remember driving from Tucson to New York on a "home made shelf bed" in the back of my parents 1960 GMC Suburban. That thing didn't have seat belts in any seat !

( I still have the Jimmy, going through restoration) I remember sleeping/riding on that "bed" all the way there. Had he hit something or even slammed on the brakes...well.. would have been a hell of a ride to the windshield.

My son has ridden on my dirt bikes since he was a little feller. That led to his passion for bikes. I have ridden since I was a ten year old with a 3HP Briggs & Stratton mini bike. He can outride me, street or dirt, anytime.

we were just talking about this over CHRISTmas dinner, that kids today will never experience the kinds of things we did as kids. safe and scary things. the things that made us who we are today. I remember when sneekin' a smoke from one of the parents was an "adventure".

Although I agree that precautions and "safety" is a needed factor, we have all been regulated to death. I know there are two sides to every story.

I couldn't really tell how that seat is secure on that bike. It almost looks like the kid has "handle bars" to hold on to.

Scary, yes. But like it has been posted...at least the kid's dad is part of his life, not been replaced by video games, day care and boredom.

Too bad we can't see it up close and know the story about the dad sharing his passion with his kid.

Hope daddy is a safe rider !

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Okay this is why John did not get nabbed for his bike being on it's side, "not having both wheels on the ground or a leg on each side of the motorcycle at all times". Note the effective date, so all you guys that said he was getting special treatment cause he was a LEO, step back.
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The old law stated nothing about feet having to touch the pegs. Just stated that legs had to be on the sides. Probably why the wording was changed in 2008.

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When I first saw the picture, my first reaction was, this must be a joke or photoshopped. I keep looking at the picture and I just don't get it. It's like looking at a biker in a third world country. I really don't care. He can do what he wants with his kid. As long as he doesn't get into an accident, they'll be ok. And have a healthy relationship too, I imagine.

On my first LT, I took my son on a 1k day when he was 14. Went with Raffy and John (amarider). He rarely rode with me. Had his own bike later anyway. Not really comparing my son to the other guy's kid but I just don't think I would have ever thought of doing the car seat thing, even on my wildest day.

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Sparky GREAT JOB !! And it is facing the correct direction too !

Hey...so which Cabbage Patch Kid are you raising?

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The part that I think really sucks!!!

And I hope the AMA will jump on that one. Read the part in green:

Florida Senate - 2008
SB 828

By Senator Bennett

21-02440-08 2008828__


A bill to be entitled

An act relating to young persons riding on motorcycles or
mopeds; amending s. 316.2085, F.S.; prohibiting a person
from operating a motorcycle or moped while carrying a
rider younger than a specified age; providing that such
offense is a noncriminal moving traffic violation;
providing an effective date.
Be It Enacted by the Legislature of the State of Florida:11

Section 1. Present subsection (6) of section 316.2085,

Florida Statutes, is redesignated as subsection (7), and a new3

subsection (6) is added to that section, to read:14

316.2085 Riding on motorcycles or mopeds.--

(6) A person may not operate a motorcycle or moped while


carrying a rider younger than 12 years of age. This prohibition

applies in all circumstances, regardless of whether the rider is

wearing a helmet.

(7)(6) A violation of this section is a noncriminal traffic
infraction, punishable as a moving violation as provided in
chapter 318.

Section 2. This act shall take effect July 1, 2008.

CODING: Words stricken are deletions; words underlined are additions.



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