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Looking for former Goldwing riders

I'm currently riding an '02 wing and in the off-season I'm toying with the idea of changing rides. To be honest, I love the wing! We ride a lot of long trips, pulling a trailer and many times with our dog on the trunk rack. What we really want is a little different culture than the wing clubs we have ridden with.

Can any converts give me any impressions of the differences in both the bike and the clubs?
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I came off a 01 GW. I had a 02 and now have a 99 LT. What it comes down to it, and you will see peoples different responses, you. They will like this and that, the bike had this problem and that. This and that bike handles like crap etc................ It comes down to you. Both bikes are great touring motorcycles. I am just a big time BMW and switched when a dealer was opened in my home town.

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I'm a former Gold Wing Rider - in 1976.

There is just no comparison between my '76 wing and my '01 LT.

In a nutshell (comparing the current models...)

Wing:

Better handling at parking lot speeds, but that's about it.
Better for pulling HEAVY trailers.
Better for riders with short legs and wide butts.
Amazing low end torque.
More oriented toward the "older" end of the spectrum.
Poor gas mileage.
Just OK brakes and wind protection.
Ultimate superslab cruiser two up, period.
Super smooth motor and dead quiet at speed.
Dated look and ergonomics, controls.
Airbag optional, although this is about as dumb as the LT's hydraulic center stand that pees on the pavement frequently.
Gold Wing Road Riders Association Convention is amazing but boring, most members stand around kicking dirt all day.
Slight chance of frame failures causes unwarranted episodes of paranoid behavior.

LT:

Amazing handling for an 800 lb. tourer over 5 mph. None better.
Better suited overall to taller riders with more experience.
Kinda wimpy on the low end, but it sings between 60 to 110 mph.
Excellent gas mileage.
Best two up tourer for canyon carving.
Excellent brakes.
BMW "cache".
Dated engine and powertrain.
Electrically adjustable windshield.
Limited dealer network can be an issue if you live in the boonies.
Curve Cowboy Reunion is amazing and always exciting but frequently lonely around the hotel since everyone is always out RIDING. Last year there was a kidnapping where one member was held at gunpoint for ransom. Really.
Slight chance of rear drive failure causes unwarranted episodes of paranoid behavior.

All depends what you are looking for - The wing is more of a Winnebago, the LT more of a Greyhound bus.


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I am a former Winger, but I don't think I can add any more to what Ron said except that when we meet for RTE's or other functions it is not a fashion show and the people are down to earth.

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All depends what you are looking for - The wing is more of a Winnebago, the LT more of a Greyhound bus.
Of all the GW/LT comparos I have read, this I really don't get!

I've never driven a Greyhound bus... they must be much sportier that I had thought!
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Curve Cowboy Reunion is amazing and always exciting but frequently lonely around the hotel since everyone is always out RIDING. Last year there was a kidnapping where one member was held at gunpoint for ransom. Really.
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You certainly spend more money on riding gear on the LT. Most LT riders wear the full compliment of protective gear. Of course, you will have to try several different types until you get the right mix of summer and cool weather gear. You may also need some sort of secret hiding spot for all the gear that did not work so the wife does not really know what you have spent.

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Can any converts give me any impressions of the differences in both the bike and the clubs?
This thread may be helpful:
http://www.bmwlt.com/forums/showthre...918#post190918

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I am doing research preparatory to buying a trike and trying to learn about G-Ws as there are several trike options for them. Both are good. Both have weaknesses. I am kinda leaning toward a Hannigan based on a K LT primarily because it's the devil that I know.
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Of all the GW/LT comparos I have read, this I really don't get!

I've never driven a Greyhound bus... they must be much sportier that I had thought!
Ok, how about a Winnie and one of THESE! Check out that double slider living room, plenty of room to work on the LT.

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The new gold wings will eat your butts. No clutch problems, no adding oil every 1000 miles, no ABS crap, No security ring problems, More power, more torque,,,more storage, less money. just not as cool looking....Also
Just not enough ground clearance when scraping s curves, don't sound as cool, but the new gold wings are just about perfect if you do not like working on stuff every time you ride.
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The new gold wings will eat your butts. No clutch problems, no adding oil every 1000 miles, no ABS crap, No security ring problems, More power, more torque,,,more storage, less money. just not as cool looking....Also
Just not enough ground clearance when scraping s curves, don't sound as cool, but the new gold wings are just about perfect if you do not like working on stuff every time you ride.
Umm, what's a "security ring problem" I better see if there's an issue with mine before it breaks. LT's don't burn oil - at ALL.

GW's have more power, more torque, more displacement, but they don't go quicker or faster. A virtual dead heat in performance and almost identical weight. Could that be due to the superior aerodynamics of the LT??

I actually like the sound of that flat 6 alot, very sweet music. When the baffles are out it reminds me of a Mustang. The plane, not the car.

I had a perfect bike one time - an ST1100. It was perfectly BORING, absoulutely no character, no chance of breaking down beside the road.
What fun is that?


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I can comment on the culture since we participate as vendors at many GWRRA and BMW events. Goldwing events seem very formal to me. There are captains, directors, and other various appointed / elected officials. Their events are almost always held in downtown metropolitan areas. They seem to spend a large amount of money on LED lights, chrome, and other things to make their bikes look better. They do appear to be having a good time although there seems to be a lot of drama behind the scenes and there is certainly a lot of club politics going on.
The BMW rallies MOA or RA are pretty laid back. As another person put it "it's like camping with your closest friend." A pretty relaxed atmosphere and for the most part their rallies are as far away from major metropolitan areas as you can get. As pointed out BMW riders will spend their money on protective clothing first and when they spend $$ on their bikes it's usually to enhance the performance.
One other thing I notice, BMW riders ride faster for the most part then GW riders. I had one customer at a GWRRA event tell me he sold his BMW because " BMW riders ride like crazy people" I guess I'm one of the crazy people, the Beemer riders look normal to me!
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I can comment on the culture since we participate as vendors at many GWRRA and BMW events. Goldwing events seem very formal to me. There are captains, directors, and other various appointed / elected officials. Their events are almost always held in downtown metropolitan areas. They seem to spend a large amount of money on LED lights, chrome, and other things to make their bikes look better. They do appear to be having a good time although there seems to be a lot of drama behind the scenes and there is certainly a lot of club politics going on.
The BMW rallies MOA or RA are pretty laid back. As another person put it "it's like camping with your closest friend." A pretty relaxed atmosphere and for the most part their rallies are as far away from major metropolitan areas as you can get. As pointed out BMW riders will spend their money on protective clothing first and when they spend $$ on their bikes it's usually to enhance the performance.
One other thing I notice, BMW riders ride faster for the most part then GW riders. I had one customer at a GWRRA event tell me he sold his BMW because " BMW riders ride like crazy people" I guess I'm one of the crazy people, the Beemer riders look normal to me!

That is because many of the gold wing riders are much older and I guess and slower...I am KTM, Goldwing, and BMW and I ride them all fast. The Goldwing will each all of them if you let it breath....and run...
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I'm currently riding an '02 wing and in the off-season I'm toying with the idea of changing rides. To be honest, I love the wing! We ride a lot of long trips, pulling a trailer and many times with our dog on the trunk rack. What we really want is a little different culture than the wing clubs we have ridden with.

Can any converts give me any impressions of the differences in both the bike and the clubs?
I had a GL1500 (about 8 years) and I joined the GWRRA to get the monthly pub and that was it. I didn't care for the club(by) atmosphere and the name tags, with ride captains and all the tiered membership stuff with the monthly meetings and the dues. Bottom line was I didn't have any real fun riding the GL but I love to ride and will ride anywhere or anytime I can. I have been riding for 35 years.

The LT changed that..

I still love to ride but now I have real fun when I ride. This is sort of a club that holds session every day and meets at least once a year and your invited, if you want. Not everyone can take 10 days out of life to have fun. If you can't make the 'meeting' we still hold session every day.. The yearly meeting place is ALWAYS in an awesome place to ride. After all that is why we meet, sort of. Funny thing is at our yearly meeting your not turned away or looked on any different if your not on an LT or BMW for that matter.

True, the gear is expensive and I everything I have added to my LT has been for safety, function or performance.. except the Sat Radio..

Each bike has it's good points and negatives. Is the LT better than a GW? Of course not... it's different. You need to ride it for a few hours and make up your own mind. I'll guarantee that you will get more comments on your ride at most gas stops if you have an LT.. I do! Much more than my GL and it was in just as good shape.

Hope to hear you around the keyboard...

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That is because many of the gold wing riders are much older and I guess and slower...I am KTM, Goldwing, and BMW and I ride them all fast. The Goldwing will each all of them if you let it breath....and run...
It's merely an observation. When we close down our booth for the day I'll go out for a ride. They'll be lots of bikes out in the evening at both rallies. Most of the time few GWRRA riders are keeping up with me, at a BMW event it's the other way around!
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I also might add that the age group seems about the same.
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I'll guarantee that you will get more comments on your ride at most gas stops if you have an LT.. I do! Much more than my GL and it was in just as good shape.

Hope to hear you around the keyboard...

Good luck!
Most of the GW's around here have to stop when their fuel gauge gets down to about 3/4 full. They put in about 1.6 gallons and when the BMW's stop after 38 miles after the fuel light came on, it's 6.3 gallons and the people around you are wondering where all that gas went to."It holds HOW much?"

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The new gold wings will eat your butts. No clutch problems, no adding oil every 1000 miles, no ABS crap, No security ring problems, More power, more torque,,,more storage, less money. just not as cool looking....Also
Just not enough ground clearance when scraping s curves, don't sound as cool, but the new gold wings are just about perfect if you do not like working on stuff every time you ride.
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I also might add that the age group seems about the same.
I am not 70!

Now, I have seen a few old folks, but not that old!

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I am not 70!

Now, I have seen a few old folks, but not that old!
Hey there youg fellar! What's wrong with 70! No, Im not there yet but it's only about another 30,000 to 40,000 miles away. That's equilivant to two years more or less.

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That is because many of the gold wing riders are much older and I guess and slower...I am KTM, Goldwing, and BMW and I ride them all fast. The Goldwing will each all of them if you let it breath....and run...
Since I ride all three types of bikes and am not as bias one way or the other.
Each bike has its own unique characteristics, and I have raced, and toured most of my life...

The new gold wings 2005 forward are different machines altogether than the older lead wings.... I do notput anything on any of my bikes unless I absolutely need it...weight is your enemy on a long ride...My latest ride was from Georgia to Alaska and back 13000 miles...I do not run interstates either... all back roads on this trip but about 500 miles...

I love to work on bikes, part of the fun and if you like maintence you certainly need to do BMW and the KTM's....I know I have them both... If you want to just ride endlessly
just put tires on every 8,000 miles get you a new Goldwing... I went the entire 13000
without one drop of oil put into it. I ride 300 plus miles between fill ups and I will do at least two a day...for 6 weeks...and that is just being a tourist, not racing, not keeping up, not doing land records, etc...

I love my R 1200GS for fire roads and going across some foreign land where I might hit a muddy road, or no road at all. I love my KTM for true trail riding and hill climbing I would not be able to do on either of the other two... They all have their place and you have to decide if this is a trail day or a 600 mile tour day or a 300 mile fire road day.

I do and I am not 70 but I have a few miles on me.
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Since I ride all three types of bikes and am not as bias one way or the other.
Each bike has its own unique characteristics, and I have raced, and toured most of my life...

The new gold wings 2005 forward are different machines altogether than the older lead wings.... I do notput anything on any of my bikes unless I absolutely need it...weight is your enemy on a long ride...My latest ride was from Georgia to Alaska and back 13000 miles...I do not run interstates either... all back roads on this trip but about 500 miles...

I love to work on bikes, part of the fun and if you like maintence you certainly need to do BMW and the KTM's....I know I have them both... If you want to just ride endlessly
just put tires on every 8,000 miles get you a new Goldwing... I went the entire 13000
without one drop of oil put into it. I ride 300 plus miles between fill ups and I will do at least two a day...for 6 weeks...and that is just being a tourist, not racing, not keeping up, not doing land records, etc...

I love my R 1200GS for fire roads and going across some foreign land where I might hit a muddy road, or no road at all. I love my KTM for true trail riding and hill climbing I would not be able to do on either of the other two... They all have their place and you have to decide if this is a trail day or a 600 mile tour day or a 300 mile fire road day.

I do and I am not 70 but I have a few miles on me.
Since you work on bikes I still want to know what the "security ring" is that you talked about in your #11 post...


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Since you work on bikes I still want to know what the "security ring" is that you talked about in your #11 post...
Ron, I'm not sure but it sounds like an "antenna ring" (if memory serves me correctly) that has failed on the newer GSs/GS-As. I'm not sure that's the right term for this device or unit but it has left a few people stranded. Randy Prade, maybe?

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If you love your Goldwing, there is no reason to change rides. Just join a BMW riding group or go to a rally. I know our group, and I believe most BMW groups, really don't care that much what you ride. If its a BMW - fine, if not - no big deal, let's just go for a ride.

As it says in all the Spacecoast BMW Riders emails for our twice a month club ride - "No destination has been set. All riders are welcome so bring out your non-BMW riding friends."

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Hey Golfguy, what's the deal with Troll? Are you referring to me?

Alindsay: I do love the wing but I also need a new addiction.
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Since I am only dreaming of a BMW, let me talk from the Gold Wing side of the equation.

I have been a member of GWRRA for 16 years, but at the same time belong to AMA and COG (Concours Owners Group).

My point is that I ride not only GWRRA events and doings, but also others that are either group sponsored or an informal get together with friends that ride all sorts of motorcycles, scooters, trikes, side cars, etc.

It is beyond me how folks can get sterotyped by what brand or type of motorcycle they ride. I can understand how they get grouped into the idiot category for not having a helmet, boots, jacket, glove and other protective gear on while riding, but I will defend their right to make such a foolish decision.

I hae been riding for 40 years, both alone, and with friends in a group. I have met all sorts of folks on all brands of motorcycles. Some I liked immediately and some I could not warm up to, but it had nothing to do with the brand of motorcycle that they rode.

Since it is Christmas time, let me conclude with a hearty "Peace on Earth and Good Will Toward Men"

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