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post #1 of 26 Old Jul 22nd, 2007, 7:36 pm Thread Starter
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I must be a woose!

About two years ago I made a commitment to myself to at least wear helmet, jacket, boots and gloves every time I ride. Much of the time, I also wear protective pants of some kind. I have been struggling with trying to find gear that is cool enough to ride in during hot weather. I read all of these posts from guys that say they ride with nothing but Meshtex type jackets, and I have one that I wear in the summer.

One of the local biker leather places that caters to the Harley crowd asked me to lead a group of bikers down to Ardmore, OK today to eat at Two Frogs, and then to ride out to Lake Murry (about 240 miles round trip). We left at 9:30 am ( 23 bikes and 26 people) and I must say, by the time we had made it to Lake Murray, I had had about all of it I wanted. I was so hot I was miserable.

I was wearing an UnderArmor loose fit HeatGear T-shirt under my FirstGear Meshtex jacket and I was wearing FirstGear Meshtex pants with Pro Player microfiber bicycle skivies underneath. I had on my Nolan N102 with visor open and fingerless leather gloves. Temperature at cruising speeds was showing to be about 96 at the worst and the humidity was high (don't know the number, but it was bad). Of course, its not too bad when you are cruising, but when you get it town and start stopping out in the sun, the heat is a killer.

I don't know how you guys that ride around 100 degrees in full gear do it. I am about ready to punt when it comes to warm weather riding. To be fair to myself, most of the Harley boys were riding without helmets or gear of any kind (just t-shirts, jeans and gloves) and many of them were carrying on like a little school girl.

I keep looking for answers, but the only thing I have found that really works well is the PCM vests, but they are hard to deal with when it come to re-charging them (re-freezing the phase change liquid). I am about ready to mount a bid ice chest on the back and keep it filled with ice water to re-charge my PCM vest.... if that doesn't work, I will just stay home.
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Brother, I am with you! It has been SO hot and HUMID here lately that is tough to wear all the gear. I never wore hardly any gear until I started riding BMW's (unless it was cold gear), and so it has been a challenge for me to adjust. I just am older now and don't heal as well, so I resign myself to the gear. But to be real honest, it feels SO good without it. That is, until you hit the pavement! I still wear a legit 3/4 helmet.

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Ummm..

Move to Monarch Pass?

(current temp at Gunnision, about 20 miles west is 70F, figure about 50F on top of Monarch..... how do I know? I lived in Gunnision for 6 years.)

Great riding, except in the winter when it gets to -30F on a fairly regular basis.

Brrrrr. Chilly.

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Ummm..

Move to Monarch Pass?

(current temp at Gunnision, about 20 miles west is 70F, figure about 50F on top of Monarch..... how do I know? I lived in Gunnision for 6 years.)

Great riding, except in the winter when it gets to -30F on a fairly regular basis.

Brrrrr. Chilly.

There, now don't you feel better?
NO! I feel worse! I would love to be at Monarch Pass right now. That is one beautiful view from the top.
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I don't know how you guys that ride around 100 degrees in full gear do it. I am about ready to punt when it comes to warm weather riding.
Hi Dean, I wear a white helmet, HJC Symax with the Cool Max liner. I never really get hot in it in the heat of the summer. I have worn black helmets in the past, trying to look cool, but they boiled my brain cells. My old Joe Rocket was silver when it was new (now kind of gray) and I wear a long sleeved T under it to keep from getting dehydrated. The color of the gear makes a big difference in the sun.

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Actually, I find it's cooler with my mesh gear on, cooler than I ever was in jeans and tshirt. The silver reflects heat. I've found that wearing a helmet lets me arrive in much better shape, too. Not as beat up. A white helmet helps to reflect the heat.

Drink lots of water. I carry a platypus in my tankbag. Bee pollen is good for the heat.



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Hi Dean, I wear a white helmet, HJC Symax with the Cool Max liner. I never really get hot in it in the heat of the summer. I have worn black helmets in the past, trying to look cool, but they boiled my brain cells. My old Joe Rocket was silver when it was new (now kind of gray) and I wear a long sleeved T under it to keep from getting dehydrated. The color of the gear makes a big difference in the sun.
Hi John!

I bought a silver helmet specifically because of the heat issue. I wanted something that would reflect the heat a bit, but really didn't want to go with white... same thing on the jacket... I bought the silver/black trying to get as light as I could.. however all FirstGear Meshtex jackets have some black on them.

I bought the FirstGear Meshtex pants just a few weeks ago. They are black (because that it the only color I have ever seen) and they are cooler than blue jeans... the air goes through them pretty good. I never understood why they designed summer pants that were black... seems like a no brainer to me.

All I have to say is I hope the new LT that everyone likes to hope for will have air conditioning.... now that would be something worth having!
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Actually I'm cooler in my Black mesh jacket and pants than I am in jeans and a t-shirt...Both Lindy and I have tried it both ways and we agree that with the gear we're actually cooler because the sun isn't directly radiating on our skin.

When it's really hot we have those cooling vests that work ok...
When we're traveling we keep an ice chest strapped to the top of the trailer..
A quick dunk of the vest and you're good to go for about an hour..When we don't have the trailer we just stop now and then and buy a bottle of cold water and pour it over the vests.. Works pretty good...

Before we had the vests I would just wet down a t-shirt in the ice chest and put that on under the mesh jacket.. It worked almost as well as the vest. Just didn't last as long..

I've thought about some kind of cooling garment with capilary lines through it like the hospital might use for cooling and hooking that up to an ice chest full of ice and water with a small pump...



Wish I would have known you guys were going to Ardmore, I'd have ridden out today.. We're doing a gig at the Noble Ranch next Sat so I'll be down that way next weekend anyway.

I am seriously thinking about a half helmet though..Maybe I'll paint it champers to match Lola..

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Of course, its not too bad when you are cruising, but when you get it town and start stopping out in the sun, the heat is a killer.

I don't know how you guys that ride around 100 degrees in full gear do it.
Well like you say, just sitting in the sun without the wind to cool you off is brutal, regardless of what you're wearing. Hopefully you're not doing it on an airhead.

I try to avoid parade like traffic when it is feeling like someone is up there in the sky holding a magnifying glass over your head between you and the sun.

• A Mean Heat Index above 85 degrees can be dangerous, making it necessary to watch out for such heat-stress symptoms as dizziness, excessive weakness, headaches, heavy perspiration, high body temperature, irregular heartbeat, loss of consciousness, muscle cramps, nausea, pale and clammy skin (sometimes skin that is red and dry), rapid pulse, rapid shallow breathing, and severe mental changes. Too much exposure to the heat can kill and it does so be careful.

• When the weather is extremely hot, try and conduct your outdoor activities during the coolest times of the day (that is, before ten in the morning and after three in the afternoon). Rest more often in the shade, taking breaks, drinking water to keep dehydrated, maybe pack a camel bag if you can't stop.

• Ride with a saddle that breathes or throw a sheepskin pad over your standard saddle for better circulation. Consider taking a water pump device to spray yourself down with while you're not moving.

• The young, the elderly, and those who are sick or overweight are more likely to succumb to heat illnesses. Also, because men sweat more than women, they are more likely to become dehydrated.

• When the weather's hot, don't wear a lot of clothing. The clothes you wear should be light-colored, lightweight, loose-fitting and made of cotton whenever possible. Keep as much of your body covered as possible. In hot weather I see a lot of riders with T-shirts and their leather jacket strapped to the passenger seat. Skin directly exposed to the sun evaporates water MUCH faster than skin which is covered plus you now are exposing your skin to all that UV light. This will tire you more quickly than if your skin is covered. Why do you think that the Bedouins wear those long flowing robes? Furthermore, you're not any less likely to have a crash just because it's hot out and if you crash with a T-shirt and shorts you're in for SERIOUS road rash. The physiology of road rash behaves much like a burn. If you get it over enough of the surface of your body you won't need to worry about the scars because it will kill you.

• When outside, apply sunscreen with an SPF rating of 15 or higher, use lip balm, and wear a hat. The sunglasses you wear should have an ANSI rating of 99 percent and 98 percent UVA protection.

• During very hot weather, drink a minimum of six to eight glasses of cool fluids (such as water, fruit juices, and fruit-flavored drinks) even if you're not thirsty. If you're exercising in hot weather, drink two to four glasses of cool fluids per hour. Avoid alcohol or caffeine, which can dehydrate you. And remember: when the heat is excessive, salt tablets are not a proper substitute for fluids.

• During heat waves, eat small meals and eat more often. If it's too hot outside, do not eat a lot of food high in protein, which increases metabolic heat.

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Dean.. don't know what color your gear is, but no matter, I've carried regular water and drenched myself with it.. when moving, I'll get more evaporative cooling.

I've seen some very hot days here in Texas... and other places... when I would just soak the leather and it would help so much! I have used tire dunk tanks but prefer using a gallon water jug out of the chilled section...

When really too hot, I've even zipped a bag of ice inside my jacket... looks funny, but beats the heck out of heat stroke.

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The wife and I just rode 300+ miles in a bit over 6 hours. The lowest temp was at 11am, 83 degrees, popped through 100 several times over the 6 hrs we were on the road. Full gear, (black), full helmet, no mesh anything. She didn't make a peep.

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The wife and I just rode 300+ miles in a bit over 6 hours. The lowest temp was at 11am, 83 degrees, popped through 100 several times over the 6 hrs we were on the road. Full gear, (black), full helmet, no mesh anything. She didn't make a peep.

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About two years ago I made a commitment to myself to at least wear helmet, jacket, boots and gloves every time I ride. Much of the time, I also wear protective pants of some kind. I have been struggling with trying to find gear that is cool enough to ride in during hot weather....I don't know how you guys that ride around 100 degrees in full gear do it. I am about ready to punt when it comes to warm weather riding....
I can't wear full gear either, when the temp's rise over 90. I wear a 100% polyester long sleeve T-shirt, 65/35% polyester pants, unlined leather gloves and low rise boots over polyester/rayon socks. My helmet is full face and White. Call me a pussy, also.

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Ummm..

Move to Monarch Pass?

(current temp at Gunnision, about 20 miles west is 70F, figure about 50F on top of Monarch..... how do I know? I lived in Gunnision for 6 years.)

Great riding, except in the winter when it gets to -30F on a fairly regular basis.

Brrrrr. Chilly.

There, now don't you feel better?
it's 61 degrees here right now in NE Georgia.

Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

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I always wore full gear, no matter the temps. In hot weather I had Joe Rocket Phoenix mesh gear, and found that to be cooler than wearing just a T shirt while moving at a speed high enough to cause air flow through the mesh. Sitting still though got really hot, as my Phoenix gear was all black. Once moving again it felt like air conditioning was turned on in comparison.

I did find one thing that helped tremendously when it got REALLY hot, and that was a neck wrap that had water retaining crystals in it. They can be found at some welding supply stores for one place. You soak them in water and the crystals absorb a lot of water and swell up. Put it around your neck and the evaporating water cools your neck, causing cooling to the blood going to your brain. Works very well, making you feel MUCH cooler.

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All I have to say is I hope the new LT that everyone likes to hope for will have air conditioning.... now that would be something worth having!
We can only dream! I was thinking of installing a sprinkler system on the handle bars!

One of the problems is that the LT gives us so much protection from the elements that we don't get much wind through our mesh gear. I find that I have to periodically hold my arms and legs out into the windstream to get some action. Maybe I'll pull my windshield off for the summer!

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Once moving again it felt like air conditioning was turned on in comparison.
On really hot days, I will soak my Phoenix with water before I get back on the bike after a gas stop. Talk about A/C! It doesn't last long, but it's a great jump start.
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...a neck wrap that had water retaining crystals in it.
Those are great, but if you can't find one, a regular cotton bandana soaked in water will help a lot, and will block the sun from that oft exposed area, too. I don't wanna be a redneck!

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I wear the mesh type gear when the heat is on. I wear a silver helmet. It is cooler and can be seen better. Color does help. I took the wind screen off for the hotter weather. Sometimes the bugs make me wish that I had not. One tip that had never crossed my mind is to soak the Phoenix at gas or rest stops. Thank you for that one. A long time ago I made up my mind that if I cant ride safe I will not ride. The rain is not always a problem for me but, when it is I get out of it. I treat the heat the same way. Know your limits. Then try to stay on the inside of them. Kola1
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i like the bag of ice idea. i just might try that sometime. msc industrial has a vest that you can soak in water cold or luke warm which will cool you through evaporation after it warms up. i haven't tried it but i do use the neck ties that walmart sells. the ties work the same way and they neck do make a difference although they are messy until some of the water runs out of them. omurphy
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Actually, that's easier than you think. Coni had two 1-gallon insulated water jugs fitted to her LT and hooked up to a windshield washer pump. A simple press of a button and she had cool water for drinking, or for squirting down her neck. She seemed quite happy with the results.

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Let's face it: when it's up in the 90s and very humid, there is NOTHING that will keep you cool.
When I rode V-Twins (you know, the image thang) and it was really hot and humid, I often rode shirtless, beanie helmet, fingerless gloves, jeans and workboots. It was still hot, and I got sunburned (duh).
Now I have a mesh jacket, and wear a wicking sleeveless shirt under it. It's still hot when you're in stop and go stuff, but on the road it actually feels cooler without the sun turning your skin medium rare. I also have a silver 3/4 helmet (reflects heat, and no more sunburned ears or neck) with summer full-fingered gloves. I still wear jeans (although now with knee armor and butt protection in case of a get-off) and a pair of touring boots, which are comfy to walk in, and my feet don't sweat in them for unknown reasons.
Plan plenty of stops to drink water (don't waste it all pouring it on your head, your body needs to replenish itself) and have a seat in the shade, or an air-conditioned spot for 15 minutes or so now and then. Heat stroke isn't a lot of fun.

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I don't think you're a woose at all. Here in the Phoenix area the summer sun and temperatures are pretty brutal, especially at parade speed and stop and go. The dry air does cool you down when you get moving but you can dehydrate very fast.

My wife in particular is very sensitive to the heat so here's our solution: We leave the house as soon as it starts getting light. Sunrise is about 5:30 a.m. our time right now and we try to hit the gas station and be on the road by 5:00 a.m. We plan to return about 10:00 a.m. for most normal rides.

Needless to say many of our friends don't want to get up that early but... tough. We see many groups heading out of town when we're returning. So while they're burning their brains out, we're taking a nap in the air conditioning.

We also plan our routes so we can skirt around high density areas with lots of traffic lights. I may take a little longer but at least we're moving.

About 10 years ago near Silver City, NM, my wife got very overheated and couldn't ride her bike. Very definitely a health and safety issue for us. We sat for about 6 hours in a Denny's (or similar) restaurant until the sun was going down; not much fun.

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I used to wear a First Gear mesh jacket and pants that were black. I purchased the Olympia Airglide jacket & pants in West Bend and they are silver. I have a silver HRC flip top helmet. The Airlide lets in more air and is much cooler than the black First Gear. It was cool in Wisconsin but when I hit Iowa the tempature rose to 100 going through Des Moines and stayed in the upper 90's to Topeka. The humidity was high in Des Moines. What I did notice was when I pulled in for gas under covered pumps how cool the breeze felt. I also wear Under Armor briefs & shirt. When it gets really hot and low humidity I use a Silver Eagle cooling vest under the mesh jacket. I still prefer the cooler 30 to 80 degree range!
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Nope, you're not a woose, Dean. Heat will beat the $**T out of me. On a recent ride to the west coast and back they were having an unusually long heat spell in the west and midwest. I had 11 straight days where the temp did not get below 80, and high temp for the day was 95 or higher on 8 of those days, 100+ on 5 of those days. The high temp for the day hit 98 on the day I was riding south thru the Canadian Rockies in Jasper National Park! I removed my black First Gear overpants when the temp hit 90 and rode in thin synthetic fabric summer hiking pants. I kept my mesh jacket on, but switched from a synthetic wicking T-shirt to a cotton T-shirt that got soaked every 100 miles or so. I bought a gallon jug of cold water for about $1.50 every morning and used it to fill my 2 liter platypus and soak my t-shirt if a rest stop did not have water. I drank, on average, about 4 liters of water a day, along with Gatorade to keep my electrolytes up. I used the neckband with crystals that is mentioned above, recharging that from the jug of water, and I fashioned a do-rag from a cotton bandana that I wore wet under my helmet. I used a Bead-rider with the seat in high position and the windscreen all the way down to get the most airflow, and pulled in the little wings beneath the mirrors. I stayed out of air conditioned buildings as much as possible at rest and gas-up stops because the heat seemed more intense after being in the building. I always rested in shade. I finally realized (slow learner that I am) that there was no reason to ride in the worst heat of the day, I could stop and take a nap from 1:00 - 3:00 (or later, if I wanted) and ride later into the evening, when it was cooler. And the heat still just kicked my butt, especially for the first week or so. After that I think my body began to acclimate somewhat. My .02 is that one does what one can to make it tolerable to ride in the heat, but there is a limit, at least for me.

Bill
Guilford, CT
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I just dont ride much in the summer, I know it's an oxymoron, but I'm not alone. You see it all over the place here, parking lots that are usually 1/4 full of bikes are now sans motorcycles.

I take the LT out for a short cruise after work every few days, but since the summer rainy season is in full swing, she mostly sits in the garage. (got lucky last night)

95* with a heat index of 104*, and 80% chance of thunderstorms kind of takes the pleasure out of riding.

Last Saturday, a heavy strom blew up and stayed strong for nearly 2 hours. Over 9000 lightning strikes, and over 3" of measured rain. How the heck can you dress for THAT ?

We riders deal with it here, but it's alot better to park it for a couple of months, rather than 8 months of poor sledding for our northern bretheren.

You still see a few hardcore squids out there, but not many. (they dont like covering up the pirate outfits with raingear either)

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