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post #1 of 21 Old Jul 16th, 2007, 3:40 pm Thread Starter
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The use unmarked motorcycle to stop motorcyclist. And you thought you had it bad here.

Sorry it is in German, but you get the idea by watching the video.

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post #2 of 21 Old Jul 16th, 2007, 9:24 pm
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The second one he caught was 111kph in a 50kph zone. 175 Euro, 4 points, and 30 days without drivers license.

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Just got back from Germany. 25kph over they take your license away for 1 month.

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It's getting so bad that you can't hardly speed anywhere anymore. What's up with that?

I know the Germans are reasonably lenient on the Autobahn, but they are much tougher in cities and small towns. I guess that makes sense, at least from a safety perspective.

I did like the camera pointed low at his rear tire. Could be useful for catching those sudden oil loss situations a bit earlier.

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post #5 of 21 Old Jul 17th, 2007, 12:54 am
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Just got back from Germany. 25kph over they take your license away for 1 month.
In New South Wales, a state of Australia, they take you licence for more than 30kph over the speed limit.
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post #6 of 21 Old Jul 17th, 2007, 3:14 am
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I like the German police!

Years ago when you needed passports to travel around Europe I turned up at Munich airport without mine, but I did have my UK driver's licence (no picture). They 'arrested' me, having a good laugh at the time, took me into a side room and issued me with a 3-day 'ausweiss' then sent me on my way. The UK authorities were real sods when I tried to get back home.........

Used to happen a lot with business travellers, apparently.

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post #7 of 21 Old Jul 19th, 2007, 12:47 am
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I spend a lot of time in central/western Europe. Do agree with the statement that they generally do not get too bend out of shape on Autobahns/Autoroutes and do get more picky in built-up areas.

Pretty friendly, too. On a recent jaunt through France, we were passed (blown by?) by two moto-cops. Both looked back and waved. Neat. Near Frankfurt, when returning to parked bikes, we got involved in a friendly conversation about the machines with the parking-enforcement guy. No mention of the severely expired meter. Neat, too.

And, I do have to point out that many times I can spend a week on the road there and see only one speed checkpoint on the whole trip (that excludes, of course the speed camera that got me last fall in Wiesbaden).

This compares to several speed traps that you'll pass every hour here in the Northeast. I've made a game of counting traps and patrol cars during my 45min- each-way daily commute and rarely I do encounter none. Sometimes as many as six.

In other words, when traveling in Europe, as long as you are reasonable in the towns/villages, do not worry about police traps. However, it may be advised to try to conform to good driving etiquette and rules: signaling turns, passing on left, etc., rather than the oblivious bumbling along that passess for driving skills here.

The weirdest was being pulled over in Estonia for 120 on 100 km/h: I did not consider that speeding and said that. The guy let me go, though...

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Several years ago I was riding with a group in the German Alps. We were going up the mountain at a pretty good clip on our new GSs. We passed a Polizei coming down the mountain on a older K bike. My first thought was, "He can't catch us. He's got to find a place to turn around and then come back up the mountain. We'll be long gone before he can do that."

Wrong! He could and he did!! Nice guy though. He let us off with a stern warning.

Another time - another trip - we were lost and ended up riding the wrong way down a one way street. (I know what the signs look like. Unfortunately the person who was at the front did not.) We got about half way down the street when we met the Polizei coming the other way. (This time in a car.) He stopped us, talked to us, and led us out of town and to the road that we were looking for.
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Funny isn't it that we think that laws are for other folks and not us. Also that some laws are ok to break and others arn't... Hmmm. The speed limit is a law, bottom line. Abide by the law or break the law. One is either a law biding citizen or they are not; and although we like to, we can not pick or choose which laws we like or agree with and which ones we will follow or not. End of story, no interpretation needed.

Do I speed? Yup, chronically. I rationalize it by only speeding 5-10 over whereby I don't think I will get a ticket. Am I breaking the law? Yup. If I get a ticket should I bitch and complain. Nope. Will I? Likely...
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The second one he caught was 111kph in a 50kph zone. 175 Euro, 4 points, and 30 days without drivers license.
That's nothin', Andy! In So Kal, that guy would still be in his driveway! Driver's license?! You don't need no stinkin' driver's license to drive!

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That's nothin', Andy! In So Kal, that guy would still be in his driveway! Driver's license?! You don't need no stinkin' driver's license to drive!
In Germany or actually or or less in most of Europe driving without a license is NOT the minor infraction it is seen in the states. Most importantly because the cops CAN stop you for NO reason at all. Just because you drive 'suspiciously' or because they want to check your BAC or they just want to check out your car/bike. HAving said that if you are caught without a license you are NOT allowed to continue your trip, unless you really forgot it at home and your stuff checks out, then you get away with a ticket. Meaning whenever they catch you you are stoopping your trip right there and then. NO matter where it is. And if you are caught driving on a suspended license that'll most likely earn you a trip to county jail, or the equivalent. In addtion of course your license is gone for MUCH longer if you are caught. Given that, as long as I was living in Austria (37years) I was stopped by the local police at least twice a year (on average) for routine checks, you can imagine that the driving on a suspended license is an EXTREMLY bad idea.
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That's nothin', Andy! In So Kal, that guy would still be in his driveway! Driver's license?! You don't need no stinkin' driver's license to drive!
All you need in California is a social security card - right, Andy?!

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....Given that, as long as I was living in Austria (37years) I was stopped by the local police at least twice a year (on average) for routine checks, you can imagine that the driving on a suspended license is an EXTREMLY bad idea.
For a second, Andy, I though you were going to say: in Austria, if you're caught driving w/o a DL, they cut off your right foot. And we like it!
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All you need in California is a social security card - right, Andy?!
Kalifornia; Social Security Card; hmmmmmm; oh yes: you mean the Matricula!? The new and improved Social Security/all around politically correct ID. The Matricula now replaces any and all forms of American ID. Available at any Mexican Consulate near you!

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Kalifornia; Social Security Card; hmmmmmm; oh yes: you mean the Matricula!?
No, this is an inside joke for Andy (Andy may consider it an inside cheap shot, though.)

Here is the thread:
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No, this is an inside joke for Andy (Andy may consider it an inside cheap shot, though.)

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Nah, we established (actually the CHP established) that asking for the SSN during a traffic stop, unless there are additional grounds to ask for it, is illegal (even in Kalifornia. LOL)
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Nah, we established (actually the CHP established) that asking for the SSN during a traffic stop, unless there are additional grounds to ask for it, is illegal (even in Kalifornia. LOL)
Now I'm curious! In your case, was it legal or illegal?

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Now I'm curious! In your case, was it legal or illegal?
It *IS* illegal. In my case the cop got 'spanked' and a mark on his permanent record.

The privacy law of 1974 spells out very clearly when it is legal and WHO can ask. CHP is NOT one of the organisations mentioned in the law though. The big problem is that any governmental agengy such as CHP has to inform you when asking for your SSN has to inform you for what reason, what the information is being used used for, and if giving that information is voluntary or mandatory. None of that happened in my case and hence the illegality.
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Thank you for the explanation. I was thinking before that the motorcade aspect may have triggered the "additional grounds" you referred to. If I understand you correctly, then, if the CHP officer had informed you why and for what reason, etc, then it would have been legal? Or, because he was CHP it would have been illegal regardless of proper notification.

I'm not trying to argue or beat a dead horse, I just really want to understand.

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Having lived on both continents (US and EU) there is a distinct difference in attitude to speeding between the two. In the US my experience is that most people drive most of the time at above the speed limits. This includes cops on the highways who consistently drive at 10mph above the posted limit. In Europe the cops and traffic enforcement is much tougher. 35 in a 30 limit will get you a fine and 3 points in the UK, whereas in the US the cops will generally ignore you. The fines seem to be greater in Europe, so the deterrent factor is far greater. Get caught riding at high speed in the US and you face a stiff penalty and higher insurance premiums but you're unlikely to lose you licence. Do it anywhere in Europe and you automatically lose your licence - unless you can afford a top lawyer who just might be able to get you off on a technicality if you are VERY lucky (but unlikely nowadays as the loopholes all close).

I know people who have been caught out in the wilds of Sweden and have had their licence confiscated there and then for a 12 month automatic ban. Tough if it's a 30 mile walk to the nearest town - you should abide by the law. Incidentally, the cops will NOT act as a taxi service for you.

Driving on the motorways in the UK if there's a cop around they are usually just under the limit (70) and if you pass them just a bit too quickly they'll jump on you. If you happen to see one driving above the limit, don't follow him otherwise he'll pull you up!

After living in Europe for a while I get used to abiding by speed limits - mostly. Near our house in the US is a section of road that is posted 25 as it goes past schools, is narrow and twisty, and there are invariably lots of kids around. The number of idiots driving through at 35, even 40, never ceases to amaze me. Many parts of Europe now have 20 mph zones, and I've even seen 20kph zones in parts of France (that's about 13 mph) - I wonder if your average US SUV driver, or cop, could cope with driving that slowly???

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Thank you for the explanation. I was thinking before that the motorcade aspect may have triggered the "additional grounds" you referred to. If I understand you correctly, then, if the CHP officer had informed you why and for what reason, etc, then it would have been legal? Or, because he was CHP it would have been illegal regardless of proper notification.

I'm not trying to argue or beat a dead horse, I just really want to understand.
The fact that there may have been a motorcade has no implication. *IF* he would have informed me why, for what reason and that giving the information is volunatry he may have been OK.
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Nah, we established (actually the CHP established) that asking for the SSN during a traffic stop, unless there are additional grounds to ask for it, is illegal (even in Kalifornia. LOL)
Actually Andy, it's not illegal per say, it's irrelevant. A SSN has no pic on it, so it does not suffice for official ID. An officer needs to establish a valid DL and a reasonable certainty that said driver is who he says he is (is the ID "official" and does the pic look like driver, etc.). SSN does not help much with that (especially since so many drivers don't even have a SSN).

Also, if the driver has no DL and/or cannot produce an official ID, you can arrest him and search his person and entire vehicle for ANY doc's that would assist in identifying said driver.

BUT, if you presented a Matricula to the CHP, you would not only be given the misdemeanor pass, you would be escorted to your destination! Now, I know what you're thinking: I'm not a Mexican national. How the f**k do I get a Matricula?! No sweat. Just go to the consulate nearest you and grease the official behind the counter and you'll get one. Easy!

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