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post #1 of 88 Old Jul 15th, 2007, 5:54 pm Thread Starter
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Number 2 and 3 fatality on the Dragon.

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post #2 of 88 Old Jul 15th, 2007, 6:12 pm
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That is truly a shame. The yellow line is a dangerous and unforgiving thing. We all have to remain on our side of it and keep an eye out for opposing traffic which might drift across it as well. In our mountain roads here in Colorado, accidents are frequently caused by one or the other.

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Luckily we were about 3-4 hours ahead that wreck between the bike and the boat this past Friday. It had the Dragon shut down for several hours.

But more unfortunately, two more people lost their lives.

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here is another article w/ a little more detail on both accidents:

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I can only wonder if that Triker got a little too confident with his 3-wheeler.

Sad news...
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I can only wonder if that Triker got a little too confident with his 3-wheeler.

Sad news...
I'll probably get flamed for this. Many people I know that have switched to trikes have done so because they can no longer feel confident keeping a motorcycle upright. I am sure there are other reasons for riding a trike, but if you can no longer confidently pilot a motorcycle, perhaps a trike is not a good idea either. I have test ridden Harley and GoldWing based trikes and while they will handle fairly well, they can be a handful in tight corners. Depending on front suspension geometry modifications, the steering can take a lot of effort and since they do not lean they will try to toss you in a really tight turn. A trike can be a lot of fun in the hands of a competent rider, but they aren't that benign in a tight turn at speed. The Dragon has a lot of technically difficult turns and they can really sneak up on you.

The Dragon is a whole lot of fun, but if you are overconfident or careless, it will separate you from your bike (or trike). I feel for their family and the other people who were involved in the accident or who witnessed it.

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I would love to take the LT to the Dragon, but won't for one simple reason: there just seems to be too many a-holes riding or driving that road! High performance machines with low performance drivers/riders getting themselves in way over their heads and putting everyone else on the road in danger. Yet, if you look at the Killboy photos, you'll still see riders in shorts, tank tops, and sneakers. Can you say road rash?

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Friday’s accident brings the number of traffic fatalities in Blount County for 2007 to 17. By this time in 2006 Blount County had only had nine traffic fatalities.
Well, it's good to see all the press and promotion Darryl has been getting is really paying off for him.
At this rate, he should have sold enough pictures to buy another really nice house and a couple more nice toys, before they ban motorcycles from that area altogether. Good for him.
That place used to be a nice, hidden treasure. Now, it's just an overexposed tourist trap for reckless drivers. It's just too dangerous to even bother going there to ride anymore.

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Yeah, other than being able to get a shirt that says you;ve been there, I prefer my local roads. I can ride them twice and get about the same amount of curves in about the same amount of distance. And end up at the Blue ridge parkway for a nice relaxing ride afterwards.

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Early on a weekday isn't bad at all. I'd never, ever do the Dragon on a weekend.



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I'll join the consensus here on my local roads versus "the dragon". Just minutes outside the garage I have a narrow twisting canyon road that's twistier and has more elevation change than the dragon and I don't tell nobody where it is because I don't want to turn it into another tail of the dragon. It's a shame really. But that's the way it is.

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That place used to be a nice, hidden treasure. Now, it's just an overexposed tourist trap for reckless drivers. It's just too dangerous to even bother going there to ride anymore.
Monday thru Thursday, you don't have the issues that Friday thru Sunday bring you. I've parked on the side of Rt 129 without seeing a single vehicle for 10 or 15 minutes on a sunny Tuesday afternoon.
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Monday thru Thursday, you don't have the issues that Friday thru Sunday bring you. I've parked on the side of Rt 129 without seeing a single vehicle for 10 or 15 minutes on a sunny Tuesday afternoon.
+1 for weekday Dragon runs. It is a much different place (unless it is during Honda Hoot week in June) during the weekdays.

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Close friends just bought a new house on the TN side, they are moving up there in August. We were talking about the location of the place, and my buddy mentioned the July 12 accident. Apparently, their new home is ON the dragon somewhere ( Madisonville) ? The Real estate agent forgot to inform them about the popularity of the road, ( But I did), and they are a wee bit concerned.

They dont ride,they dont like motorcycles, they even think my LT is loud.

I offered to throw a house warming/camping party at their new abode, since it sits on a 3/4 acre lot, and invite a few buddies to celebrate.....declined.

I've not ridden the dragon, but having spent 20 years in British Columbia, I can well imagine the fun that could be had on that road. But, any crowded road is never fun.

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Apparently, their new home is ON the dragon somewhere...
The 11 miles (318 curves) that make up 'The Tail of the Dragon' has no homes on it that I'm aware of. Their home may be on Rt 129, but I'm almost positive that it's not on the actual 'Dragon's Tail'.

None-the-less...even if it's on Rt 129, they are certainly in for seeing a LOT of bikes, and tuner cars all weekend long. I want to feel sorry for them, but am having a little trouble with that part.
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Just looked up Madisonville. They're 20 miles due east (as the crow flies) away from the north end of the Dragon. Appears they're off of 411. That isn't going to be that bad for them.
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Just looked up Madisonville. They're 20 miles due east (as the crow flies) away from the north end of the Dragon. Appears they're off of 411. That isn't going to be that bad for them.

LMAO...their new house is on highway 411 N out of Madisonville, somewhere near the entrance.....they want me to stop sending them links to Deals Gap and the Dragon...the SO's are on the phone arguing about it as I post this...

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To lose a life is always sad. Last year I rode the Dragon. While I was there I saw all the skill levels of riding. There were riders with very good skill on the Dragon. Just about any one can ride the Dragon if they use some care. Sometimes Sh-t Happens. The Dragon is not a very good place for it to happen. People will be people. As more people come there will be more problems. It is a public road that the people use. When you ride it you must keep that in mind at all times. One day the Dragon will be taken away. We will have only ourselves to blame. No matter how much fun the Dragon is It is not worth the loss of one life.
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Rode the Dragon in last month 7 times in 3 days. All midweek. I never felt unsafe. Rode all the bike roads in the area with out feeling at risk. We are ATGATT type riders. The only problem is it's 1000 miles from my home. After every run my SO on the back would ask " can we do it again ". I read about the first death the next week after we got home. And now this. Feel sorry for all the families involved.

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Some adolescent squid passed me on a crotch rocket doing a wheelie.

Stupidity + ATGATT isn't the best formula "to ride another day'!


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Some adolescent squid passed me on a crotch rocket doing a wheelie.

Stupidity + ATGATT isn't the best formula "to ride another day'!

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Stupidity + ATGATT isn't the best formula "to ride another day'!

It wasn't me. I did wave a few faster riders by when it was clear.

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....That place used to be a nice, hidden treasure. Now, it's just an overexposed tourist trap for reckless drivers. It's just too dangerous to even bother going there to ride anymore.
Lots of great canyons in the So Kal area, also. I generally avoid them cause of the same stupidity. Even after you've seen death & destruction a thousand times, it's still pointless and unnecessary.
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To lose a life is always sad. Last year I rode the Dragon. While I was there I saw all the skill levels of riding. There were riders with very good skill on the Dragon. Just about any one can ride the Dragon if they use some care. Sometimes Shit Happens. The Dragon is not a very good place for it to happen. People will be people. As more people come there will be more problems. It is a public road that the people use. When you ride it you must keep that in mind at all times. One day the Dragon will be taken away. We will have only ourselves to blame. No matter how much fun the Dragon is it is not worth the loss of one life.
Why is it so hard to understand the no matter how high the performance of your machine and how good of a rider you are, there must be the allowance for error?! When there is no room for error, we see in vivid full color what happens.

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Why is it so hard to understand the no matter how high the performance of your machine and how good of a rider you are, there must be the allowance for error?! When there is no room for error, we see in vivid full color what happens.
Hi, Jay. +1. I have larned through bitter experience that if I can't see around the curve, over the hill or through the intrection, I will ride it at a much lower speed that will allow sufficient error margin. I ride a nice sweeping curve in excess of 90 deg going to work in the day light joyously scraping the peg, my boot sole on the throttle, fast in and faster out as I can see all the way around the curve before I get in the curve and match speed to conditions. On the way home late after dark, I can't see as well or as far as the HID won't reach around the curve so, I'm down a lot on the speed and with neutral throttle if not off the throttle and fingers and toes lightly touching the brakes. The point? Ride to the conditions, ride to the conditions.

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The news report listed on the Dragon's web link says 3 have died so far in '07.
The "real" local news in Knoxville lists the deaths at 17 this year.
Who is telling the truth here? Does anyone know how many have died this year?
All year the local news has been reporting one death after another. I'm skeptical of what I read on the Dragon's web link because let's face it, negativity impacts their business.

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The news report listed on the Dragon's web link says 3 have died so far in '07. The "real" local news in Knoxville lists the deaths at 17 this year. Who is telling the truth here? Does anyone know how many have died this year?

All year the local news has been reporting one death after another....The truth must be told.
I bet if the Dragon was in Iraq we would get an accurate death toll! "Were approaching 1,000 deaths!".....

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I'm prety sure that the 17 is correct.
A buddy and I were having dinner, the friday evening of the weekend that this all happened, talking about me getting hit by a red honda sports car up there about a month ago. He stated that night that there had already been 13 or 14 killed up there this year so far. I did go back a couple of times after getting hit but the cars have kinda taken over with their clubs and all. Some of them really scream. I met some cars on the curves again really out of control and I have since lost my nerve and stopped going during daylight hours. It is still a great ride, just do it before daylight. Add this 3 and your close.
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I'm prety sure that the 17 is correct.
A buddy and I were having dinner, the friday evening of the weekend that this all happened, talking about me getting hit by a red honda sports car up there about a month ago. He stated that night that there had already been 13 or 14 killed up there this year so far. I did go back a couple of times after getting hit but the cars have kinda taken over with their clubs and all. Some of them really scream. I met some cars on the curves again really out of control and I have since lost my nerve and stopped going during daylight hours. It is still a great ride, just do it before daylight. Add this 3 and your close.
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I believe that 2 and 3 is a monthly total. Seventeen is for the year so far. Just returned from Deal's Gap. A weekday early morning pass was no problem.
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[B]Number 2 and 3 fatality on the Dragon.

Probably a stupid question, BUT, I want to stay true to form. SO, if you don't want to do anything stupid on the Dragon, like plow head on into another vehicle, and otherwise have no death wish, can you just ride at a nice safe pace and enjoy a very scenic area?

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I think that the death toll on the Dragon this year has been 3!

They all died within 24 hours of each other and about 6 miles apart!

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[B]Number 2 and 3 fatality on the Dragon.

Probably a stupid question, BUT, I want to stay true to form. SO, if you don't want to do anything stupid on the Dragon, like plow head on into another vehicle, and otherwise have no death wish, can you just ride at a nice safe pace and enjoy a very scenic area?
Not a stupid question, but the answer is (I really doubt it unless you go before dawn). You can ride your own ride at that time of morning, it is very nice and different traveling over it in the fog. The only things that you have to worry about running into is the deer and the bear.

If you get on the dragon during the heat of the day you are liable to get run over in a hurry or cause a wreck by going slow. I hate to say it but that is the name of the game, running fast. If you can be there while the police are there you could probably ride your own ride.

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Not a stupid question, but the answer is (I really doubt it unless you go before dawn). You can ride your own ride at that time of morning, it is very nice and different traveling over it in the fog. The only things that you have to worry about running into is the deer and the bear.

If you get on the dragon during the heat of the day you are liable to get run over in a hurry or cause a wreck by going slow. I hate to say it but that is the name of the game, running fast. If you can be there while the police are there you could probably ride your own ride.
Cause a wreck by going slow?? I pulled over a little and waved a faster rider by when it was safe. I did not cause a wreck or even see one. I rode it 7 times in 3 days ( OK it was mid-week ) with runs in the morning, around noon, and late in the day. Lots of bikes, I was not alone. At no time did we feel unsafe ( I ride 2-up ) on the dragon or other area bike roads. Just do it.

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They all died within 24 hours of each other and about 6 miles apart!

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The treacherous curves of the Dragon claimed two more lives Friday as a pair of people from Florida were killed in a wreck that closed the road for more than three hours.

It was the second fatal accident on the road in two days.

A man and a woman were riding on a three-wheeled Honda motorcycle, known as a trike, when they apparently took a curve of northbound Calderwood Highway (U.S. 129, commonly known as the Dragon) too quickly and lost control, said Tennessee Highway Patrol Trooper Ernest Marion.

The pair then hit a Toyota Land Cruiser with a large boat on a trailer driven by John Stanley Hitch, 53, Maryville, that was coming up the hill in the southbound lane. The accident took place between Mile Markers 2 and 3 on Calderwood Highway.

The impact was so severe that it nearly knocked the 5,000-pound boat completely off the trailer. The couple on the trike were trapped under the boat and trailer after the accident.

The name of the pair was not released Friday pending notification of their family members.

Another motorcycle rider, Bret Akers, 45, Lincolnton, N.C., wrecked when he hit the overturned trike. He was injured, but refused treatment, Marion said.

Speed was a factor in the accident, he said.

Agee Lequire, Philadelphia, was driving a truck with a horse trailer just seconds behind the trike on northbound Calderwood Highway. The accident had happened moments before when he pulled up and Hitch flagged him down.

Lequire said he tried to assist the two riders of the Honda trike, but when he got to them under the trailer and boat, it was too late.

“(The wreck) was too much,” he said. “There’s just nothing you can do to help someone in that kind of condition.”

Cell phone coverage in the area is spotty at best, and Lequire could not get a signal to call 911. Of the other motorists at the scene of the accident, someone was finally to get through and contacted emergency personnel at 5:59 p.m.

Once on the scene, it took emergency personnel and tow truck workers more than an hour to move the boat and other debris enough to remove the bodies of the victims from the scene.

Along with THP, Blount County Sheriff’s Office, Blount County Volunteer Rescue Squad, Rural/Metro Ambulance Service and an ambulance from Graham County, N.C., responded to the accident.

Thursday victim ID’d

Friday’s accident followed by one day the fatal accident that involved a motorcycle rider from Michigan losing control of his bike on a curve on the Dragon and sliding to his death over an 80-foot cliff.

The man killed in the motorcycle wreck at 6:52 p.m. Thursday on Calderwood Highway was identified by authorities Friday as Kevin James Hoyt, 40, Highland, Mich.

According to the Tennessee Highway Patrol accident report, Hoyt was southbound on the highway when he lost control in a curve and slid down an embankment.

He “low sided” his bike by applying too much braking pressure on the front wheel while taking the curve, according to Trooper Marion, who also responded to that wreck.

Hoyt then slid with the bike over the edge of the highway, down an 80-foot cliff and landed on a small ledge in a heavily wooded area off the side of the road.

His black 2005 Yamaha motorcycle continued on for another 15 feet before coming to rest 95 feet below the road.

The accident happened about seven miles from the North Carolina line. The 11-mile-long Dragon runs from Tab Cat Creek to Deal’s Gap in North Carolina.

Friday’s accident brings the number of traffic fatalities in Blount County for 2007 to 17. By this time in 2006 Blount County had only had nine traffic fatalities.

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I think that the death toll on the Dragon this year has been 3!

They all died within 24 hours of each other and about 6 miles apart!

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Three killed on Dragon in two day (update from articles below), July 14, 2007
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Three people have died in two days in motorcycle accidents on a dangerous stretch of highway called the Dragon that twists through the Smoky Mountains.

A couple from Ocala, Fla., were killed Friday when the driver apparently took a curve on U.S. 129 too quickly and lost control, Tennessee Highway Patrol Trooper Ernest Marion said. They were identified Saturday as Warren, 72, and Carol Woodruff. Carol Woodruff’s age was not available.

The pair were riding on a Honda trike motorcycle, which hit a car hauling a large boat on a trailer. The accident knocked the 5,000-pound boat off the trailer, and the couple became trapped under it, authorities said. The road was closed for more than three hours as authorities removed the wreckage.

A Michigan man died Thursday on the same road after he lost control of his motorcycle and slid off an 80-foot cliff in the Smoky Mountain foothills.
Kevin James Hoyt, 40, of Highland, Mich., braked too hard while taking a curve, and his bike slid off the highway and over the cliff into some woods, Marion said.

The trooper said speed was not a factor in the accident, and Hoyt was wearing a helmet.

Two die on Dragon, July 14, 2007
By Mark Boxley of The Daily Times Staff

The treacherous curves of the Dragon claimed two more lives Friday as a pair of people from Florida were killed in a wreck that closed the road for more than three hours.

It was the second fatal accident on the road in two days.

A man and a woman were riding on a three-wheeled Honda motorcycle, known as a trike, when they apparently took a curve of northbound Calderwood Highway (U.S. 129, commonly known as the Dragon) too quickly and lost control, said Tennessee Highway Patrol Trooper Ernest Marion.

The pair then hit a Toyota Land Cruiser with a large boat on a trailer driven by John Stanley Hitch, 53, Maryville, that was coming up the hill in the southbound lane. The accident took place between Mile Markers 2 and 3 on Calder-
wood Highway.

The impact was so severe that it nearly knocked the 5,000-pound boat completely off the trailer. The couple on the trike were trapped under the boat and trailer after the accident.

The name of the pair was not released Friday pending notification of their family members.

Another motorcycle rider, Bret Akers, 45, Lincolnton, N.C., wrecked when he hit the overturned trike. He was injured, but refused treatment, Marion said.

Speed was a factor in the accident, he said.

Agee Lequire, Philadelphia, was driving a truck with a horse trailer just seconds behind the trike on northbound Calderwood Highway. The accident had happened moments before when he pulled up and Hitch flagged him down.

Lequire said he tried to assist the two riders of the Honda trike, but when he got to them under the trailer and boat, it was too late.
“(The wreck) was too much,” he said. “There’s just nothing you can do to help someone in that kind of condition.”

Cell phone coverage in the area is spotty at best, and Lequire could not get a signal to call 911. Of the other motorists at the scene of the accident, someone was finally to get through and contacted emergency personnel at 5:59 p.m.

Once on the scene, it took emergency personnel and tow truck workers more than an hour to move the boat and other debris enough to remove the bodies of the victims from the scene.

Along with THP, Blount County Sheriff’s Office, Blount County Volunteer Rescue Squad, Rural/Metro Ambulance Service and an ambulance from Graham County, N.C., responded to the accident.

Thursday victim ID’d

Friday’s accident followed by one day the fatal accident that involved a motorcycle rider from Michigan losing control of his bike on a curve on the Dragon and sliding to his death over an 80-foot cliff.

The man killed in the motorcycle wreck at 6:52 p.m. Thursday on Calderwood Highway was identified by authorities Friday as Kevin James Hoyt, 40, Highland, Mich.

According to the Tennessee Highway Patrol accident report, Hoyt was southbound on the highway when he lost control in a curve and slid down an embankment.

He “low sided” his bike by applying too much braking pressure on the front wheel while taking the curve, according to Trooper Marion, who also responded to that wreck.

Hoyt then slid with the bike over the edge of the highway, down an 80-foot cliff and landed on a small ledge in a heavily wooded area off the side of the road.

His black 2005 Yamaha motorcycle continued on for another 15 feet before coming to rest 95 feet below the road.

The accident happened about seven miles from the North Carolina line. The 11-mile-long Dragon runs from Tab Cat Creek to Deal’s Gap in North Carolina.

Friday’s accident brings the number of traffic fatalities in Blount County for 2007 to 17. By this time in 2006 Blount County had only had nine traffic fatalities.

Dragon claims life: Man falls over 80-foot cliff to death, July 13, 2007
By Mark Boxleyof The Daily Times Staff

A Michigan man fell to his death Thursday evening after losing control of his motorcycle on the Dragon and sliding off an 80-foot cliff.
The identity of the driver was not released, pending notification of his family.

The call was received after the accident by emergency personnel at 6:52 p.m. The incident happened near Mile Marker 7 on Calderwood Highway (U.S. 129, also commonly known as the Dragon).

According to Tennessee Highway Patrol Trooper Ernest Marion, it appears that the motorcycle driver “lowsided” his bike by applying too much braking pressure on the front wheel while taking a curve — which caused the slide. The man then slid with the bike over the edge of the highway, down an 80-foot cliff and landed on a small ledge in a heavily wooded area off the side of road. His black 2005 Yamaha motorcycle continued on for another 15 feet, coming to rest 95 feet below the road.

Larry Brown, a Fort Wayne, Ind., motorcycle rider in Tennessee on vacation, was one of the first people on the scene. He was alerted to the wreck by a pair of riders who were rushing down the highway looking for someone to call 911. Cell phone coverage in the area is sporadic, so Brown told them to try a store farther up the road. In the meantime, because he knew CPR he attended to the driver while emergency personnel were on their way to the accident.

When he got to the injured driver he was still breathing and had a pulse, Brown said. Emergency personnel were apparently not able to resuscitate the driver, and the man ultimately did not survive the crash. As a fellow motorcycle rider, Brown said seeing the severely injured driver and the accident scene left him “very uneasy.”

Speed was not a factor in the accident, Marion said. “Not at all.”

According to Brown, the motorcyclist was wearing a helmet at the time of the wreck.

No other information on the circumstances surrounding the fatal accident was available Thursday.

Along with THP, Blount County Sheriff’s Office, Blount Special Operations Response Team (BSORT), Blount County Fire Department, Blount
County Volunteer Rescue Squad and Rural/Metro Ambulance Service responded to the accident.
This is the 15th traffic fatality in Blount County this year.

Father, son crash on Dragon, May 7, 2007
By Jessica Stith
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Father and son motorcyclists who were riding the curves of the Dragon both wrecked — throwing the father down a 150 feet embankment on Sunday afternoon.

Timothy Verostick, 46, of Johnstown, Pa., was taken via Lifestar helicopter to University of Tennessee Medical Center where he was in stable condition. His son, Corey R. Verostick, 23, Johnstown, Pa., was taken by Rural/Metro Ambulance Service to UT Medical Center where he was treated in the emergency room and released.

According to Tennessee Highway Patrol Trooper Phil Little, the accidents occurred at about 1 p.m. while the father and son were traveling southbound on U.S. 129 between mile markers seven and eight.

Corey Verostick reported that he hit his breaks and his rear wheel began to fish tail, causing him to lay his 2005 Suzuki motorcycle down, Little said.

The father, Timothy Verostick, then lost control of his 2003 Suzuki motorcycle when trying to avoid hitting his son. This caused his motorcycle to run off the side of the road, Little said.

The father's motorcycle went down the embankment and landed at about 10 to 12 feet down. Timothy Verostick flew off of his motorcycle and continued falling approximately 150 feet down the embankment.

Blount Special Operations Response Team (BSORT), Blount County Fire Department, Blount County Volunteer Rescue Squad, Blount County Sheriff's deputies and Rural/Metro Ambulance Service all responded to assist in bringing the injured motorcyclist up the embankment.

"It was really steep," Little said of the embankment.

According to Blount County Fire Department authorities, a "z-system" (rope and pulleys used to pull loads) was used to bring Timothy Verostick up the embankment.

Little said a landing zone was set up near the scene of the accident. Rural/Metro took Timothy Verostick to the zone and Lifestar flew him to UT Medical center.

Little said both father and son were wearing helmets.

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I think that the death toll on the Dragon this year has been 3!

They all died within 24 hours of each other and about 6 miles apart!

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So yeah, in short, I don't believe anything that morally repugnant, socially irresponsible, piece of dung Darryl, has to say. In fact, if he had an ounce of decency and a moral center, he would donate every penny he and his cronies have made off "The Dragon" back to Blount County and Robbinsville, and then move to Bangledadesh or some other part of the World where he can't ruin OUR pass time any further. Opportunistic scumbag that he is.

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Speed was not a factor in the accident, Marion said. “Not at all.”
OK, he's braking hard enough in the corner to slide the front wheel and low side, but "speed was not a factor"? I disagree. He may have even been below the posted speed limit, but he obviously was riding too fast for conditions, or at least for his own skill level.

Obviously, it sucks that he paid the price that he did, and that his family, friends, and those who came upon the scene will have to live with this tragedy but from this brief description, I can't see how the conclusion can be made that speed wan't a factor.

Note that the above observations merely stem from my habit of analyzing such reports to see if there is a major contributing factor. This is done to help remind me to always ride within my own skill level and the current conditions, more than trying to chastise another rider for their mistakes.

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So yeah, in short, I don't believe anything that morally repugnant, socially irresponsible, piece of dung Darryl, has to say. In fact, if he had an ounce of decency and a moral center, he would donate every penny he and his cronies have made off "The Dragon" back to Blount County and Robbinsville, and then move to Bangledadesh or some other part of the World where he can't ruin OUR pass time any further. Opportunistic scumbag that he is.
Jeez Kevin, why don't you just call him a Liberal and save yourself all that extra typing? That way, he and his friends could be categorically dismissed as the second-class lowlifes that you obviously think they are.

US 129 is a public road. Anyone taking that road has the personal responsibility to do so at a pace that they can handle, and to take due care for other road users (and sometimes, watch out for other road users who may not be taking due care). Posting a few pics on a website does not force folks to ride faster, nor does it alleviate an individual rider's responsibility. You may disagree with their operation, but that doesn't automatically make them second-class citizens ripe for deportation.

How much money has Blount County and Robbinsville made from increased tourism? I bet it's a lot more than has been made from a website. And isn't it obvious from your statements above that you only really care about this issue because it might impact YOUR ability to ride however you want to? After all, almost any argument can be broken down to "how does it affect me?"

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...where he can't ruin OUR pass time any further.
I rest my case.

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Ok, someone said that there were 17 deaths on the dragon, NOT Blount County!

I SAID THREE HAVE LOST THERE LIVES ON THE DRAGON!

There may have been 17 deaths in Blount Cty, but not on the Dragon.

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So yeah, in short, I don't believe anything that morally repugnant, socially irresponsible, piece of dung Darryl, has to say. In fact, if he had an ounce of decency and a moral center, he would donate every penny he and his cronies have made off "The Dragon" back to Blount County and Robbinsville, and then move to Bangledadesh or some other part of the World where he can't ruin OUR pass time any further. Opportunistic scumbag that he is.
I've had my pic taken many times on the Dragon and never saw Darryl. I think it was because of this weird habit I have of looking thru corners.



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Very good question Jayjacobson, I would say to you that the dragon is not really known for the views. There are many other roads in the area that offer much more for the views and have less traffic on them. Most people ride the Dragon as a test to their skill level. Not for the view. Check the web for Dell's Gap to get a better understanding of what most people feel the Dragon is all about.
The Dragon is a public road that you can ride and not have a problem if you use some care. Motorcycles are not the only thing on the Dragon. There will be cars, trucks and bears. I rode in Oct. I think hunting season had just started at that time. I was not out to beat the Dragon I just wanted to ride it. I think if more people wanted to just ride the Dragon and not try to BEAT the Dragon there would be much less problems.
The local people that I met in the area were very nice and the cost of my time spent there was very fair. If I were to crash on the Dragon please don't blame the person that gave me a room to sleep in at a fair price, Please don't blame the person that gave me diner at a fair price and don't blame the people that take photos to sell. Blame me and me alone for not using the care that I know I should have. Kola1
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Blame the rider doing the speed limit or his/her limit. People call it slow. So the riders crashing into your tail and illegally passing on the double yellow assume no responsibility for their actions. It's all the other guys fault. And I thought Massachusetts had all the Liberals.

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It's always the other guy's fault. It's the American way, after all. Here in CA they will ticket someone going too slow for conditions and obstructing traffic. In OR, it's merely a way of life. All depends on what you consider normal, I guess.

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....If I were to crash on the Dragon please don't blame the person that gave me a room to sleep in at a fair price, Please don't blame the person that gave me diner at a fair price and don't blame the people that take photos to sell. Blame me and me alone for not using the care that I know I should have.
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Right! Now you guys got it!

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You guys are missing the whole point. (s)
Darryl is exploiting a public road (and it's starting to become the whole area) for his and his alone, enrichment. He is taking a public resource and 1) ruining it, and 2) capitalizing on the good naturedness of the people in the South.
It's because of assholes like him that we end up with laws that have to tell us what time of day we're allowed to wipe and how much toilette paper we can use.
I completely disagree with the statements about how it's not about the over-exploitation of the area. While I agree with the point that it's up to the rider (s) to control their vehicle and protect they're (and OUR) well-being, we also must acknowledge The Human Condition, in that the more people who are utilizing (or abusing as the case may be) any resource, the more people who will be of less than average common sense and courtesy.
This is the primary problem with increasing population, the more people you have in a given area, the less quality of life you have.
So in short, while yes, we're all responsible for our own actions (or at least we SHOULD BE - Thank you Liberals.... ) the only way to maintain control of any situation is with more policing, more laws, more punishment and less fun, quality of life and enjoyment.
You wouldn't ever see an area like this in New England, the SS.. I mean Police, would shut it down right quick.
This is the kind of change Darryl and his cronies are bringing to the area, all for his own enrichment.

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Again, how is this directly Darryl's fault? He isn't forcing the riders to come there. He isn't twisting the throttle for them. He's just taking pictures. Sure, his website has spread the word and helped make the Dragon a destination, but again, he's just passively observing and documenting what's been going on for years.

Now if he was hosting speed trials, or giving prizes for the quickest laps, that would be different. But he's not.

Do you also condemn the Deal's Gap Store for profiting from this little enterprise? Or that cheesy "motel" right next door? After all, they sell shirts and make money from all the visitors, thus enabling the abuses and tragedies we keep reading about, right?

And it seems that the local LEOs are responding to the increased problems with increased enforcement, which is to be expected. Nothing unusual there.

Once again, Kevin, I think the logic of the situation is being overridden by your own deep-seated beliefs and prejudices. You claim to stand for freedom and personal responsibility, but in the end, it all boils down to whether someone else's actions will impinge on your rights, or your fun. If it could possibly effect you in a negative manner, then it's all bad and should be stopped, regardless of anyone else's rights or wishes.

Sorry, but I'm still not buying it.

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With all that is being said here I guess the Dragon will soon be a part of what used to be. Our lack of common sense and common courtesy will soon bring an end to the Dragon as we know it. The last time I was there I still enjoyed myself. The local people were great and the cost $$ was a good value to me. I didn't buy any photos of myself on the Dragon ( I care more about how I ride than how I look while I ride ) I have never tried to BEAT the Dragon I only want a ride on it. I enjoyed a few other roads in the area much more that the Dragon. Maybe there is just to much traffic for the 11 miles of road. I would think that we could share the 11 miles of road and not have the problems but we can'nt For now I will look for a road to replace the Dragon and when I do I will not be real fast to share the location with the world. I guess you can add If you build it they will come AND RUIN IT. Kola1
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You guys are missing the whole point. (s)
Darryl is exploiting a public road (and it's starting to become the whole area) for his and his alone, enrichment. He is taking a public resource and 1) ruining it, and 2) capitalizing on the good naturedness of the people in the South.
It's because of assholes like him that we end up with laws that have to tell us what time of day we're allowed to wipe and how much toilette paper we can use.
I completely disagree with the statements about how it's not about the over-exploitation of the area. While I agree with the point that it's up to the rider (s) to control their vehicle and protect they're (and OUR) well-being, we also must acknowledge The Human Condition, in that the more people who are utilizing (or abusing as the case may be) any resource, the more people who will be of less than average common sense and courtesy.
This is the primary problem with increasing population, the more people you have in a given area, the less quality of life you have.
So in short, while yes, we're all responsible for our own actions (or at least we SHOULD BE - Thank you Liberals.... ) the only way to maintain control of any situation is with more policing, more laws, more punishment and less fun, quality of life and enjoyment.
You wouldn't ever see an area like this in New England, the SS.. I mean Police, would shut it down right quick.
This is the kind of change Darryl and his cronies are bringing to the area, all for his own enrichment.
You have to be a complete retard to even say this. Darryl isn't the cause of the problem. Whether or not Darryl was there, the same problem would exist.
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