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I will be heading E.on I-10 From Ca. to Hou.Tx after the Moto-GP(July23-24) and will be riding at night as much as possible to avoid daytime temps, what is the Deer/roadkill situation out that away? Anyone have any suggestions? Thanks.

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You do know to use EXTREME caution between Van Horn and Ft. Stockton don't you? Deer everywhere.

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Not your neck of the woods, but......

I have noticed deer along I-75, just south of Ocala, Florida at all times of the day. The fences along the interstate do not keep them off and out of your way. At night, be extra cautions and if you see one darting out, they are rarely by themselves.... be safe.

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Hopefully you have some very bright driving lights. Not only wildlife you have to deal with, but road hazards as well, such as potholes, gaters, etc.

Deer tend to come out in the early evening and at dawn mostly. Watch not only the road, but the shoulders as well. If a deer does happen to be in your lane and it looks like you may hit them, aim for their REAR. They don't jump backwards, and might just get out of your way.

If collision with an animal is imminent, drive directly into them. That way you can power through them with perhaps less damage. If you try to swerve the "glancing blow" may cause you to be in a worse situation, as you fly! A big bike can act like a fullback.

I live between Sacramento and Lake Tahoe - deer in the evening are a regular sight for us. Only have collided with one!

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Hopefully you have some very bright driving lights. Not only wildlife you have to deal with, but road hazards as well, such as potholes, gaters, etc.

Deer tend to come out in the early evening and at dawn mostly. Watch not only the road, but the shoulders as well. If a deer does happen to be in your lane and it looks like you may hit them, aim for their REAR. They don't jump backwards, and might just get out of your way.

If collision with an animal is imminent, drive directly into them. That way you can power through them with perhaps less damage. If you try to swerve the "glancing blow" may cause you to be in a worse situation, as you fly! A big bike can act like a fullback.

I live between Sacramento and Lake Tahoe - deer in the evening are a regular sight for us. Only have collided with one!
Thanks,good advice...................gaters???

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I quit riding mc's at night on freeways - period. Not worried about deer, but there is too much crap sitting on the road, mostly huge chunks of tire treads from semi's. Especially on I-10 during the hot summer months.

I drove over one with a 1 ton dually truck towing a 5 ton double wheel tandem trailer a couple of years ago in Phoenix - it tore the welded fender off the trailer......amazing the damage steel belts can do at 70 mph.

I just did 5K miles roundtrip during daylight in the Southwest/Norhtwest and swerved around half a dozen that would have put me down hard and fast.

Godspeed on your trip... airline tickets are damned cheap these days.

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"If collision with an animal is imminent, drive directly into them. That way you can power through them with perhaps less damage. If you try to swerve the "glancing blow" may cause you to be in a worse situation, as you fly! A big bike can act like a fullback."

Ridiculous....

I'm calling bullshit here.

Do you have any hard core data/statistics to back up this assinine advice that has been parroted on the Internet for years?

Hit the freakin' ABS brakes hard. A collision at 20 mph has a tiny fraction of the energy at 70 mph.

NO ONE has the skill to avoid an imminent collision by swerving, but you sure as hell don't want to "power through them" (whatever that means...) and "drive directly into them" with full force head on.


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"If collision with an animal is imminent, drive directly into them. That way you can power through them with perhaps less damage. If you try to swerve the "glancing blow" may cause you to be in a worse situation, as you fly! A big bike can act like a fullback."

Ridiculous....

I'm calling bullshit here.

Do you have any hard core data/statistics to back up this assinine advice that has been parroted on the Internet for years?

Hit the freakin' ABS brakes hard. A collision at 20 mph has a tiny fraction of the energy at 70 mph.

NO ONE has the skill to avoid an imminent collision by swerving, but you sure as hell don't want to "power through them" and hit them will full force head on.
Uh.. I think I'd rather hit something at 20 than 70 too... Glad I got you doing my thinking for me Ron.

What I meant is better to hit straight on, than a glancing blow that will then have a better possibility of sending you off the side of the road. I made no mention of hitting the gas. If you're on the brakes, stay on them.

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Thanks,good advice...................gaters???
Gators are the tire strips that delaminate from big-rig tires. Just one more piece of road debris.

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Gators are the tire strips that delaminate from big-rig tires. Just one more piece of road debris.
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh.................Learn something everyday! Thanks!

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"If collision with an animal is imminent, drive directly into them.

Ridiculous....

I'm calling bullshit here.

I'll have to go along with Ron on this one,
When I hit that Elk last year (@45-55mph) I drove directly into him,
although not by choice I just didn't have time to react.
I certainly didn't "drive through him"
as a matter of fact, he "stopped" the LT dead in it's tracks,
I remember feeling the front end come up in the air, then down hard on the right side,
just before I went over the handlebars.

To get back to the original subject,
we lost a rider last year due to a deer strike in Texas at night on the interstate,
I don't recall his name, he was a seasoned rider that wrote for a MC magazine.
If you have to travel, I'd suggest that you leave the Motel at 4am and check in around 2pm,
that gives you 10 hours of prime riding time with minimal darkness


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"What I meant is better to hit straight on"

Yeah, right. I'm not trying to get into you personally - but give me a break!

A MUCH better idea - aim right for the middle of the mass and hit it straight on - it will "cushion" the impact?
Sorry, there is absolutely no logic or physics on your side - and I DID stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night!

The only thing you even have a CHANCE of doing before an imminent collision is to grab the brakes, let alone worry about "aiming" for your target! Most drivers (car and mc) don't grab them hard enough!

I would rather hit the dirt at 70 mph doing backflips on the fly than be stopped dead cold by several hundred pounds of solid meat and bones any day. (I've done it twice: At 19 and 51 - it really hurt both times)
Most people do not grab the brakes NEARLY hard enough! This is your only option.

It's all about slowing your brain down as it slams into the interior of your helmet.

Those extra milleseconds that you gain by slowing down or striking a glancing blow reduce G's by a factor of HUNDREDS.

Enough to keep you from turning into a veggie.

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I'll have to go along with Ron on this one,
When I hit that Elk last year (@45-55mph) I drove directly into him,
although not by choice I just didn't have time to react.
I certainly didn't "drive through him"
as a matter of fact, he "stopped" the LT dead in it's tracks,
I remember feeling the front end come up in the air, then down hard on the right side,
just before I went over the handlebars.

To get back to the original subject,
we lost a rider last year due to a deer strike in Texas at night on the interstate,
I don't recall his name, he was a seasoned rider that wrote for a MC magazine.
If you have to travel, I'd suggest that you leave the Motel at 4am and check in around 2pm,
that gives you 10 hours of prime riding time with minimal darkness
That's really good advice Hans.


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Advice around here for car drivers - assuming most cars are typical sedan types - is to brake as hard as you can until just before impact and then GAS it, HARD! Some just say skip the brakes and gas just before impact. In practice, most don't have presence of mind to do anything more than soil their BVDs.

Idea is get the nose of your vehicle as high as possible and hope you go over the critter. Not scoop 'em on top of your hood and through the windshield. Hence the 'tree chasers' so many of us install on our 4 wheeled vehicles out here.

Now, having seen pics of bikes that've gone through some 4 legged bumper thumpers - well, if I don't think anyone can possibly aim well enough to align an impact to the animal just between the lower rib cage and the pelvis, intentionally.

Basicly hitting a deer sized or larger critter with a bike is going to hurt. Dump as much energy as you possibly can. Aiming is for the movies. Better yet, slow down enough so that you give your self a chance to avoid that collision. Pick the times you're on the road to those when target animals are bedded down. Or just follow a big truck - not too close or the gaters may get ya.

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I quit riding mc's at night on freeways - period.
Huh. I just bought better lights. Kinda hard to do 1,000 to 1,500 mile days when you don't ride in the dark some of the time. To each their own.

In fact I came around a corner this morning to see a deer standing in the middle of the road. So I did both. I braked hard down to about 10 mph, then I aimed right for him, at which point he got the hint and exited the roadway. And yes, I still could have stopped in time if need be.

Actually, the best reason to aim for a deer is that they are so skittish, they're likely to be anyplace except where they're standing at the moment.

And the best advice here is to brake with everything you have. These bikes have ABS and some of the best brakes in the business, so use them. And that means practice full-on panic stops occasionally just so you know how the bike will react when you do need to drop anchor. Muscle memory is much faster than your brain trying to process the signal to activate both brakes.

And for all the above scenarios, if the deer is already in motion all bets are off.

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Soooo..........................are deer an issue in Arizona?

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I quit riding mc's at night on freeways - period. Not worried about deer, but there is too much crap sitting on the road, mostly huge chunks of tire treads from semi's....
Yup, that's why you need to SLOW DOWN at night. Same crap as on the roadway during daylight--just a lot harder to see. Having some additional lights doesn't hurt either.
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....I'm calling bullshit here. Hit the freakin' ABS brakes hard. A collision at 20 mph has a tiny fraction of the energy at 70 mph....
Well, I don't know about a M/C but I can't even begin to tell you how many times I've come across an overturned cage because the driver swerved to avoid an object in the roadway instead of just braking and hitting it. You have a much higher chance of being seriously injured or killed once your roof caves in!
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....and I DID stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night! I would rather hit the dirt at 70 mph doing backflips on the fly than be stopped dead cold by several hundred pounds of solid meat and bones any day....Most people do not grab the brakes NEARLY hard enough! This is your only option. It's all about slowing your brain down as it slams into the interior of your helmet....
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Advice around here for car drivers - assuming most cars are typical sedan types - is to brake as hard as you can until just before impact and then GAS it, HARD! Some just say skip the brakes and gas just before impact. In practice, most don't have presence of mind to do anything more than soil their BVDs.

Idea is get the nose of your vehicle as high as possible and hope you go over the critter. Not scoop 'em on top of your hood and through the windshield....
Yes, you're right, Andy. If you have a fairly tall object in the roadway, and you hit it, you better duck!

Case in point: The other day I saw a FULL SIZE wheel bouncing right toward me, during on a busy Kali commute afternoon. No clue who lost their F'G wheel or why! I was doing about 70, # 2 lane. I just braked slightly (did not want to get rear-ended) and held the wheel. At the last millisecond before impact, I ducked below the dash (in case the tire went over my hood). I was surprised at the lack of damage of my truck.

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Those extra milleseconds that you gain by slowing down or striking a glancing blow reduce G's by a factor of HUNDREDS.


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I was asked if I had read this advice about going straight into an animal on the internet. At the time, I couldn't recall where I'd read it, so I pulled out a book in my library by Ron Ayres, "Going the Extra Mile". This is a book about endurance riding, and it features a lot about the IBA. A pretty good read.

On pages 47 and 48 Ron gives the same advice; be especially vigilant in deer country, be ready to brake, and don't try to swerve if you're surprised by a deer. He also descibes (page 48) how he did hit a deer 2-up, and did not lose control of his bike.

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Lets get along here.

Why is it when someone post an opinion and someone disagrees we have to go on the attack. Respect one's opinion.


Any how. My $.02 worth riding at night. I have hit a deer in 1997. Was not fun did not like it. I try not ride at night for that reason, plus my night vision not that great anymore.

I rode to Alaska an back to Florida a couple of days ago and attempted to avoid the night riding. I believe I may have rode twice in the evening hours. To risky.

Easier to cool off then to recover from an animal strike.

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If it's bigger than you can eat in one sitting, you should probably try to avoid it.
If that is not an option, hope you hit it in the soft mid-section.
Scrubbing off as much speed as possible is good.
Hitting it with the throttle on does help.

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