Need opinions- R1150RT vs Triumph Trophy 1200 - BMW Luxury Touring Community
View Poll Results: Which sport-tourer for about $8,000
R1150RT 9 64.29%
Triumph Trophy 1200 0 0%
Wait until I can afford more than a $8k bike 3 21.43%
Other (Please explain) 2 14.29%
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post #1 of 13 Old Jun 19th, 2007, 11:06 am Thread Starter
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Need opinions- R1150RT vs Triumph Trophy 1200

I've been looking for a good used sport-touring bike. I want to spend no more than about $8,000. I have owned several BMW GS motorcycles but we no longer have any dealers nearby. I really like BMWs but I've also been looking at other sport-tourers.
I live in Evansville, Indiana and our nearest dealers are in Louisville, Kentucky (2 hours away) or Cape Girardeau, Missouri (3-4 hours away as I've been told- I've never been there myself) or Nashville, Tennessee (3 hours away).
We have a Triumph dealer here in Evansville and they have a 2002 Triumph Trophy with all of the accessories for $6,900. It has 7,600 miles and looks great except that it's a REALLY BRIGHT green. I just don't know anything about Triumphs.
I'd appreciate any opinions on the bikes or anyone else's suggestion for a similar style bike.
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post #2 of 13 Old Jun 19th, 2007, 11:37 am
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The Trophy is a beautiful bike but considered more of a straight ahead tourer rather than a sport tourer. The Sprint-ST is Triumphs designated sport tourer.
I voted for the BMW simply because there's more of a track record and after market depth for that bike.

The Trophy wasn't out long enough to really gain any sort of following. Too bad Triumph nixed it. I'd like to see them bring back a non-cruizer tourer. I rode the Trophy a couple times as a service loaner when I owned my Tiger. It was smooth, torque-y and well mannered but seemed to be terribly under-sprung. A few hundred dollars would be needed to sort out the suspension.


Trophy Pros vs RT:
  • Unique, uncommon, with great styling
  • Smooth, powerful 4-cylinder motor
  • Carburetor fueling (may be a con depending on POV)

Trophy cons vs RT:
  • Crappy stock suspension
  • Lack of after market accessories (windshields, exhausts, etc.)
  • No windshield adjustability
  • Chain drive
  • OEM parts availability?

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I have seen several reviews that echo the following:

Good Points
Lustrous Paint. Power. That's about it though.

Bad Points
Where do I start? Leaving me stranded on the road side every few weeks. Coil problems. Excessive front fork dive and instability in the twisties, seat, cracking plastic fairing, inaccessability...

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I bought the Triumph Trophy 1200 Tourer in 1999 from the local Triumph dealer. I has 28000 km on it now, and I still haven't cured all its faults. Three days after I bought it, I was riding into Oregon on the I5 near Yreka for a week long cruise with my wife when it just died (the bike, not my wife!). Sounded like fuel starvation, totally unresponsive. I eased off the highway and put it on reserve. It took ten minutes to start, although I was convinced I still had plenty in the tank. I gassed up at the next station and was unpleasantly surprised to see that it only took about 2 galls. A hour later I was back on the side of the road. This happened half a dozen more times (totally randomly) over the next week. When we got back home, the Triumph folks just acted like they'd never heard of this. They screwed around and found "nothing". Then I surfed the net and found other owners were having the same malody. It was traced to faulty floats and bowls. Triumph wouldn't pay. Nice folks. By the time they fitted them, there wasn't much change from $500. What a scam. Fit bum floats and get repeat customers.
The next thing was that the bike started to run rough on two cylinders. Turns out the 1200 only has 3 coils for 4 cylinders. One coil runs two cylinders, the other two have their own coils. This is a legacy from the 900. I can't believe they cheaped this up! What's the price of one more coil? I'll tell ya: a lot. Yep, you guessed it. Dealer made me pay. Now the plastic fairing is cracking, the chain snatches, despite adjustment and the saddle is too hard.
I've never been happy with the heavyness around corners, and when you really push it, the forks feel light and nervous. It's not like I haven't tried to like the bike, but it's time to wave goodbye...and good ridence.

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I have seen several reviews that echo the following:

Good Points
Lustrous Paint. Power. That's about it though.

Bad Points
Where do I start? Leaving me stranded on the road side every few weeks. Coil problems. Excessive front fork dive and instability in the twisties, seat, cracking plastic fairing, inaccessability...
I think you've helped Brett's decision in ruling out the Triumph. Late 90s Triumphs were certainly parts-bin bikes. They were all based somewhat on the 885cc triple motor. The 4 cylinder seemed like an afterthought and your 3-coil experience certainly confirms that. They've come a long way since then but my Tiger of the same vintage ('99), never gave me any troubles, just the lousy fuel quick-release connectors (like the LT).

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I have wondered about the Triumph Trophy myself. I have not seen much info on this model. I have rode a r series BMW for the last 3 years as often as I could. For the miles vs problems I don't really have any. I feel a good understanding of the r series motor. I realize there are down sides to any make or model of motorcycle.I don't know much about the Triumph Trophy to say good or bad. I can say that I am very happy with the used BMW product I ride now. I look forward to reading much more about the Triumph Trophy model from the many helpful here. Thanks Kola1
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Used GT would be my other vote.

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I appreciate the great replies both here and on the BMW MOA Forums. I went into this with a loyalty to BMW even though I've had a hard time finding the bike that I want and I don't like to have to travel for service. I think I'll probably avoid the Triumph and keep waiting to find the right Beemer.
Atrovarious suggested a GT but it looks like it's got a more leaned-over aggressive seating position and my lower back doesn't like that position. I might have to do some travelling to some dealers to sit on one though just to try one out.
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Honda st1100

You probably can find a Honda ST1100 for less than 8k, I owned a 93 and it ran like a top. The ST1300 is even better, but a good used one is probably around 10k, but if you look hard enough yuou never know what ul find.
BTW have you considered a k1100lt? They had their faults, but they really were more sport tourers than full on touring bikes. I had a 96 and no real complaints. Woulda kept it if I didnt git the bug for a GS and found a steal on a low mileage used one

Good luck, this is 1/2 the fun really

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I appreciate the great replies both here and on the BMW MOA Forums. I went into this with a loyalty to BMW even though I've had a hard time finding the bike that I want and I don't like to have to travel for service. I think I'll probably avoid the Triumph and keep waiting to find the right Beemer.
Atrovarious suggested a GT but it looks like it's got a more leaned-over aggressive seating position and my lower back doesn't like that position. I might have to do some travelling to some dealers to sit on one though just to try one out.
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ahpd1992, I have been "lurking" on here for quite a while trying to decide what my next bike is going to be. From the posts on here, I had kind of talked myself out of the 1100LT. I've read quite a few posts about how "hot" and uncomfortable it is.
The only "touring" bike that I've ever owned was a Yamaha Venture 1300. It was like their version of a Gold Wing. I went cross-country on it several times with a tent and sleeping bag. I used to do the same thing on the R100GS and R1100GS that I used to own but I want something more comfortable than the GS right now.
I appreciate the suggestion about the 1100LT and I will see if I can find one to try it out for myself.
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Smile K1100lt

Generally lurk, but had a 85 K100RT, and 93 K1100LT, put 147,000 plus miles on it. Absolutely great bike, keep the rear splines lubed and it's good to go. Heat was never a problem, wore leathers and then textile riding suits. Wear blue jeans and you're going to get hot in the summer. Winter riding was great. Probably one of most favorite bikes that I have owned, except an 98 GoldWing that required no maintenance except oil/fluid changes. Another story......Good luck. Best, Bob

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ahpd1992, I have been "lurking" on here for quite a while trying to decide what my next bike is going to be. From the posts on here, I had kind of talked myself out of the 1100LT. I've read quite a few posts about how "hot" and uncomfortable it is.
The only "touring" bike that I've ever owned was a Yamaha Venture 1300. It was like their version of a Gold Wing. I went cross-country on it several times with a tent and sleeping bag. I used to do the same thing on the R100GS and R1100GS that I used to own but I want something more comfortable than the GS right now.
I appreciate the suggestion about the 1100LT and I will see if I can find one to try it out for myself.
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try and remember to take everything on this and every forum with a grain of salt. Almost every problem described about the k1200lt I have either never experienced or adjusted to it. All bikes have their quirks it all depends on if you can adjust to them or not. I am a very large man (6'00 300lbs) and put 10k miles in one year on my k1100lt, except for a pathetic radio (speakers mostly) I had zero complaints. The bike is what is was and I adjusted to it. Just for reference I also just sold a 00 r1100rt(which BTW is in ur price range) and all I heard about when I bought the bike was "surging issues". I again put 12k on it in about 18months and never experienced anything I couldnt overcome. I would definetly make up your own mind b4 you let anyone on any forum talk you out of bike. When I sold my 00RT all I heard on BMWSportTouring.com was how heavy the Lt was and how dissapointed I would be. Dire warnings were given about heat and driveline failures, bikes tipping over due to the weight. Lemme tell you I cant see owning any other bike than what I have now. Is it perfect...absolutley not, the BC1 intercom has never worked, its a bit top heavy, and could use more power, but I love the bike (so does the wife). So again have fun but dont count out anything and make up your own mind.

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Tom, I agree that a lot of it is what you get used to, or spoiled by.
I recently bought a new Chevy 3/4 ton truck and it's so different from my first trucks when I worked on the farm as a kid that it's hard to call them both pickups. I hate to think how nice pickups will be 20 or 30 years from now; Assuming that we still have gas-powered engines.
I thought my old Yamaha Venture was a great touring bike because it was the first bike I'd ever owned with saddlebags, a trunk, and a full fairing. I'm usually pretty easy to please so I think I'll like whatever I end up deciding to buy.
I'd like to experience more different bikes but BMWs are hard to find around here. I saw a 1200RT outside a local bike shop today and I stopped to see if it was for sale. It belonged to a friend of the bike shop who just stopped in to visit. He said his bike was definitely not for sale.

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