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Question Mix bias ply front tire with a radial on rear?

Here's the problem. I'm ready for a new front tire. I'm presently running BT020 radials. The rear is almost brand new. Of course, you can't get the BT020 radials any more. I've heard of folks who put radials on the front with a bias ply on the rear with no problem. However, does it work the other way as well?

A proverbial "penny for your thoughts".

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I recently got a set of the "old" 020s from
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You might try them.

I had a bias/radial mix once like you describe by accident. Mounted by a dealer and I didn't check.

Seemed okay but one day I found myself on a Florida highway with a funny narrow grooved road surface. The LT got real squirmy, scary squirmy.

I stopped to check tire pressure, final drive, etc. Everything was okay. I think that the radial/bias mix may seem like it is okay, but under certain conditions it is very bad.

I recommend against it in spite of testimonials that it is "no problem". The tire companys recommend against it; I think they know what they are talking about.
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The profiles of today's bias-ply and radials are almost identical. I highly doubt that you'll notice one bit of diference. Go for it.
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I recently got a set of the "old" 020s from
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You might try them.
Thanks, Charlie. I just called them. They're presently out but said they could order one. They said they're not showing as being discontinued. Odd.

The other thing that occurred to me was the Avon Storm. That's a radial, and a few folks on this site have paired them with a BT020 radial rear tire with success. Blaine has them at AZ Moto. I'm kinda leaning in that direction now. I take data points like your experience seriously.

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The profiles of today's bias-ply and radials are almost identical. I highly doubt that you'll notice one bit of diference. Go for it.
Thanks, Joe. It's actually the flex characteristics that has me more concerned than the profiles. You're probably right, and Charlie's experience in Florida may have been caused by something else. However, like I mentioned above, I'm thinking the Avon might be the safest bet at the moment. Once this set of tires wears out, I'll probably switch to the BT020 bias ply tires. I like the rubber on those tires.

BTW, I still can't believe you went through two rear tires on your trip!

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Front and Rear Tire Matching

For optimum performance, it is very important to correctly match your front and rear tires. Riding your motorcycle with an improper mix of radial construction tires with bias or bias-belted construction tires is dangerous. Your motorcycle’s handling characteristics can be seriously affected. You could have an accident resulting in serious personal injury or death. Consult your owner's manual or your local dealer, for the proper tire replacement.

Mount tires marked " Front Wheel" on front positions only and tires marked "Rear Positions" on rear positions only.
Never mix Radial construction tires with bias or bias-belted construction tires.
Some motorcycles may be equipped with Radial tires. Consult the motorcycle manufacturer before equipping replacement Radial tires to insure the proper specification and combination for your motorcycle.
A new front tire equipped on a motorcycle with a worn rear tire may cause instability.
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I don't think they are just trying to sell tires, I think they know something.
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Well there you go, trying to confuse the issue with facts and references.

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I don't think they are just trying to sell tires, I think they know something.

Actually, I think they are just trying to cover their ass.

I've mixed radial front and bias rear, worked great.

I've mixed bias front & radial rear; worked OK, but I did notice some "handling irregularities". Nothing too serious.

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Actually, I think they are just trying to cover their ass.
From what? I mean they really drilled down into this. Clearly there's a potential failure mode there that they're not elaborating on. Otherwise, from what would they be trying to cover their asses?

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My bias/radial mix worked great too, until....

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Actually, I think they are just trying to cover their ass.
I've mixed radial front and bias rear, worked great.
I've mixed bias front & radial rear; worked OK, but I did notice some "handling irregularities". Nothing too serious.
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Anecdotes and case histories are not data, they are more like opinions and we all have them. There was a time I told people that mixing was no problem too. Not any more. "Nothing too serious" maybe, but serious can happen fast and unexpectedly when the conditions are right for things to go wrong. Sure lots of folks ride on all kinds of tires. If you're going to ride fast, and around corners, do you want to take unnecessary chances? I don't.

I rode a bias/radial mix (new tires, well balanced) from Vermont to Fla down Skyline drive and the Blueridge Parkway in November. In fog, wet roads, and leaves, they handled great; this was spirited riding in the twisties.
Got to Fla on the interstate, doing 70-80 in a straight line. The road surface changed. No problem it seemed. Then all of a sudden the bike started to squirm, pretty severely. Not a tank slapper, but a whole bike fishtail kind of motion; a relatively high frequency oscillation. The sensation was like going over a steel grate deck bridge with the old Conti-Twin tires, the kind with the straight tread pattern; some will know what I am talking about. But this squirming was at about 80 mph and was severe enough that Spiros, riding behind me noticed and radioed to ask if everything was okay. Things were not okay, I had just had the ... scared outta me. I pulled over and checked the final drive, tire pressures, etc. Nothing wrong. After I experimented with riding and noted that this unsual behavior could be repeated by going 80 mph and starting a gentle turn as in initiating a lane change. If I had had to make a sudden change in direction to avoid something before I discovered the problem I'm sure I could have lost it, the bike was very unstable. BTW Spiros was running a matched set of tires (Metzs I think) and had no problems, matching speed with me. What caused this unusual problem? I think (opinion) it was a combination of road surface, tire temp and pressure, and the bias/radial mix I was running.

This discussion comes around time and again. And the same opinions come up. In my opinion the tire companies are "covering their asses" because they know there is a risk associated with mixing tires. The question is: do you want to cover your own ass or not, since it's your ass that is literally gonna hit the pavement if the tire companies are right and opinions to the contrary are wrong.

BTW, we rode back to the northeast from Fla and I never had a recurrence of the problem. High speeds trying to outrun a northeaster snow storm on the Garden State Parkway. Then finishing the ride in a few inches of snow as I got back to VT. The instability never recurred (the snow was a different story). I changed to a matched set of tires and have never had a similar experience since. IMO the instability the tire companies are warning about isn't something you are going to notice unless you find just the right conditions or you are an experienced professional rider, on a track, testing various combinations under varying conditions.

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Not worth your life to try it!!!! Change one or both tires. If it were me, I wouldn't put another BT020 on my bike .. They cup so severely and are not worth the trouble.
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Not worth your life to try it!!!! Change one or both tires. If it were me, I wouldn't put another BT020 on my bike .. They cup so severely and are not worth the trouble.
The 020s do wear, and the cupping can get severe in less than 6K miles.
AND they stick like flypaper. I love them and hope that the new bias 020 work as well as the discontinued radials.

If I were headed cross country, or I was really concerned about frequency of tire changes, I put on Metzs.

But I change my own tires, buy them online, and change both front and rear about every 6K right along with the oil changes. A 6K the front is usually trash and the rear has enough miles left on it that I can give it away for someone else to take the rest of the tread off.

Isn't it nice that we have these choices in tires?
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Kdog, Go with the Avons. I am very happy with them (front and rear) but they do take a couple of thousand miles to break in, and they turn in much faster than the BT020s do.

I have 8500 mile on the current set and the front has maybe 1k left before I would not feel comfortable (read: ride in the rain) and the back maybe 3000 left.

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Hey Joel, I'm running a BT020 bias on the front and a BT020 radial on the rear. I'm not having any handling problems so far. The BT020 bias ply has the same profile as the radial did and the bike falls over in the corners just like the radial did. I did some high speed riding in the rain with Dave Dragon last week on the way to Tan-Tar-A and the bias hung in there like the radial did.

Your other option is to go with one of the new Avon Storm radials on the front.

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Kdog, Go with the Avons. I am very happy with them (front and rear) but they do take a couple of thousand miles to break in, and they turn in much faster than the BT020s do.

I have 8500 mile on the current set and the front has maybe 1k left before I would not feel comfortable (read: ride in the rain) and the back maybe 3000 left.
Turn in much faster than the BT020? I don't think I can handle much faster!

Mileage-wise, they sound like they fall somewhere between the Metz and the Stones. That's a good thing. How's the wet-handling?

Thanks, Gerard. I'm looking forward to trying them.

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Hey Joel, I'm running a BT020 bias on the front and a BT020 radial on the rear. I'm not having any handling problems so far. The BT020 bias ply has the same profile as the radial did and the bike falls over in the corners just like the radial did. I did some high speed riding in the rain with Dave Dragon last week on the way to Tan-Tar-A and the bias hung in there like the radial did.
Oh, so you've tried that combination, Steve! I guess you didn't make a big fuss about it and get all paranoid about it like me. Glad to hear it's working very well for you.

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Your other option is to go with one of the new Avon Storm radials on the front.
And that's what I've done. It should be here in a day or two.

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And that's what I've done. It should be here in a day or two.
BTW, I'll be going to the Avon Storms all around on the next set. They seem to be the only radial that is going to work.

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BTW, I'll be going to the Avon Storms all around on the next set. They seem to be the only radial that is going to work.
I couldn't be happier with the Storm up front and the BT020 radial in the back. I stocked up with 2 BT020R rears last week because the things just work great back there and wear like iron too.

I'm a bit nervous about the Storm in back though. I went through 2 Azaros in short order on the FJR due to puncture. The groove width is HUGE and is prone to let all manner of sharp buggers in to ruin your day. Looks like the Storm may be a bit better, but barely so. Just FYI.
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BTW, I'll be going to the Avon Storms all around on the next set. They seem to be the only radial that is going to work.
Why not just stick with the Bridgies? By your own accord, the BT020 bias-ply on the front falls into the turns as good as the radial. I believe most of the falling-in effect happens from the front.

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I couldn't be happier with the Storm up front and the BT020 radial in the back. I stocked up with 2 BT020R rears last week because the things just work great back there and wear like iron too.

I'm a bit nervous about the Storm in back though. I went through 2 Azaros in short order on the FJR due to puncture. The groove width is HUGE and is prone to let all manner of sharp buggers in to ruin your day. Looks like the Storm may be a bit better, but barely so. Just FYI.
Thanks for the info, Eric. I've heard good things about that combo as well.

Where'd you pick up the BT020 radials? The couple of places I checked were out.

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Thanks for the info, Eric. I've heard good things about that combo as well.

Where'd you pick up the BT020 radials? The couple of places I checked were out.

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Yep, supply is getting thin now. I was able to find one at a local sportbike shop having a closeout (last one). Then, tiresunlimited.com had one and just delivered it to my door Friday. Word has it they are now out of stock too, but can order more. Good luck on your quest!
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Avon Storms

I put a set of Avon Storms on my LT and I am very impressed with the tire so far, the tires are dead quiet as compared to the ME 880's I was using. Tire noise from both the front and rear is gone and the bike turns in much quicker and feels much more agile with Avon Storms. Some riders have complained that the tire is squirrelly but the Storm is a more rounded profile, it is designed as a sport touring tire, as the tire wears it will get flatter and this squirrelly perception will disappear. This squaring up is generally not preferable on sport bikes but not a problem for a touring bike. We have not seen much rain here in Northern California so I cannot comment on grip in the rain but the tire is designed with a silica rubber compound so one would expect good wet weather grip. I find my cornering is limited only by my willingness to grind on my center stand. All my riding is two up and I get about 8-10k on a set of ME 880's, at this point I have no idea how the Avons will hold up.

Personally I would not mix radial and bias ply tires unless I was forced to as a result of an on the road tire replacement and even then I hesitate and look for alternatives.
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I don't know how common it is , but I believe I read a road test on a new Triumph recently where one tire was radial and one was bias. Could not tell you which model or which was radial but I was surprised to see it on a new bike.
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IMHO .... Motorcycle tires and car tires in HOW they are classified differ greatly.

Bias ply or Radial MOTORCYCLE tires do not roll on the rim ( Defect while cornering/leaning) .... Where car tires do

** I am on my second set of Mis-match radial/bias tires.
Bridgestone BT-020B rear (Bias ply)
Avon AV-45 front (Radial)

Handling is nothing short of AWSOME !
Mileage on first set @ 8500 miles of twisties, with 4K of that pulling a trailer.

If this combo is SO WRONG ? ... Odd that tire wear is VERY even both ends, bike handles rock solid & never acts weird in any way.

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Front radial / rear bias opinions?

OK - I'm about to replace my front ME880 bias. My ME880 bias on the back only has 2-3K on it.

Warnings of death and destruction aside, it sounds like many have good things to say about a radial on the front. For those who like to 'mix it up', how does an Avon Storm front / ME880 rear sound?
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Thanks, Joe. It's actually the flex characteristics that has me more concerned than the profiles. You're probably right, and Charlie's experience in Florida may have been caused by something else. However, like I mentioned above, I'm thinking the Avon might be the safest bet at the moment. Once this set of tires wears out, I'll probably switch to the BT020 bias ply tires. I like the rubber on those tires.

BTW, I still can't believe you went through two rear tires on your trip!

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Joel,
did you ever got the Avon for the front? How it worked for you? What model did you get?

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did you ever got the Avon for the front? How it worked for you? What model did you get?
Elton, thanks for reminding me! Yes indeed, I mounted an Avon Storm AV55 on the front of my bike, then promptly left for a one week trip in southwestern Colorado and put 2,000 miles on them. On the rear I was running a BT020 on that still had lots of tread. Suffice to say that when my rear BT020 wears out I WILL be replacing it with an AV Storm. I didn't think anything could turn better than BT020s, but I was wrong. These things just plain make the LT more sporty. And that was just the front. I can't wait to get one on the rear too.

I posted a trip report with a bunch of pictures here: http://www.bmwlt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24696

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I posted a trip report with a bunch of pictures here: http://www.bmwlt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24696

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I saw you trip report yesterday, with my wife checking over my shoulder... great trip and photos and actually, I meant to ask you about slot canyons: How can you get there?
I went to all other places you visited but slot canyons. Those pictures are terrific. Deserve a big poster on your living room.

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IMHO .... Motorcycle tires and car tires in HOW they are classified differ greatly.

Bias ply or Radial MOTORCYCLE tires do not roll on the rim ( Defect while cornering/leaning) .... Where car tires do

** I am on my second set of Mis-match radial/bias tires.
Bridgestone BT-020B rear (Bias ply)
Avon AV-45 front (Radial)

Handling is nothing short of AWSOME !
Mileage on first set @ 8500 miles of twisties, with 4K of that pulling a trailer.

If this combo is SO WRONG ? ... Odd that tire wear is VERY even both ends, bike handles rock solid & never acts weird in any way.

Just my 2 cents worth.
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I saw you trip report yesterday, with my wife checking over my shoulder... great trip and photos and actually, I meant to ask you about slot canyons: How can you get there?
I went to all other places you visited but slot canyons. Those pictures are terrific. Deserve a big poster on your living room.
Thank you, Elton. I answered your question in the original thread here.
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I didn't think anything could turn better than BT020s, but I was wrong. These things just plain make the LT more sporty.
Yep. told you so.

I just put a set of Storms on my GT. Excellent tires to be sure, and much better than the Z6's that came from the factory. Now if I can only figure out how to get more than 5K miles on a rear tire, I'll be happy. At 1K/week average, this is getting pricey really fast.

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