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Question What Can You Tell From Chicken Strips

Riding this weekend, I noticed that I am much more comfortable going around right hand bends and feel like I lay the bike over further to the right than the left. On left benders, I'm trying to pick the line that keeps my helmet well inside the yellow line and leave some safety margin (for my skills) in case the cager is over on my side.

Until recently, the limit was dragging parts on either side, but recently installed Ohlins and not dragging parts as often which lets me lean a little more without worrying that I'm about to run out of lean.

So, when I got home, put the bike on the centerstand, convinced that I'd find the chickenstrip on the LHS as you look at the tire to be substantially less than the one on the RHS, turns out they are both right around 3/4 inch for the most part with lighter use down to 1/2 inch.

So, got to wondering, what do chicken strips tell me about my riding style, if anything?

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I'd say that they are equal because of the crown of the roads. NC has right much crown, so the left side will wear a bit more. Then your right cornering leans more which equals it out. Are you left-handed? Most lefties feel more comfy turning right and vice versa for right-handed folks. There;s my theory. I've heard more, but will stop there.

I got no nipples left on either side of my tire, which surprised me. I guess I'm getting comfortable with it.

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You need to be more aggressive, 3/4 to 1/2 inch is too much. Now that you have Ohlins take right down to at least 1/4 inch.


My first run on the Dragon's Tail was on my 1976 Suzuki GT 750 (in 2003) and I had NO chicken strips on the rear - wow what a ride.

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.... So, got to wondering, what do chicken strips tell me about my riding style, if anything?
Howdy Joel,

Reading "chicken strips"? Some might be inclined to say, "very little", but I'd offer a quote from the movie, Superman:


"Some people can read War and Peace and come away thinking it's a simple adventure story. Others can read the ingredients on a chewing gum wrapper and unlock the secrets of the universe." -Lex Luthor

I've spent some time over the years examining my tires, lower soft and hard parts for wear ( on the bike you perverts!) and matching them with my conceptions about my riding style and technique. That effort, along with some research on the subject, reading motorcycle riding articles and articles on the applicable physics related to motorcycles, i.e. inertia, angle of momentum, gyroscopic effect, etcetera, should allow for some forensic understanding of how a rider is operating the motorcycle.

Long to short:
-If a tire's chicken strips represent the scale upon which the rider's abilities might be suggested, then a tire that has zero chicken strips is being ridden by a rider that can operate the motorcycle over the majority of it's capability. That is not to say that the operation is safe, or unsafe, just that the rider is familiar with and utilizes the potential lean angles of the bike.
-If there are many miles on the tires and yet the majority of the chicken strips remain, then the rider does not ever, or at least very infrequently explores the upper end of the bike's potential. This might suggest that in an evasive maneuver, the rider may not be able to accurately get the most out of the bike's potential.

I believe a rider should remain practiced at using the bikes potential so that when adverse circumstances arise that demand the maximum performance from the bike, the rider knows and understands how to use it effectively and instantaneously.

There is a lot more to this, but Nancy and I frequently ride with others and always find the twisties. Here is an rough example of how I would "read the chicken strips":
When I meet a new rider for the first ride, we usually stand around a BS for awhile. You get a feel for how experienced they are and their general attitude toward riding. Before the two of us, or the small group, are going to head out for a ride, frequently I'll check out the tires on their bike, ask about how many miles on them. If they have some miles and yet still have significant chicken strips, then I might more strongly emphasize the "ride your own ride" mantra and reiterate the "wait at the next turn" method of group riding.

While I am not directly responsible for their safety on a ride, I do want to add to the general enjoyment and safety of those I ride with. Besides, nothing puts a damper on ride faster than for a rider to go down.

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...My first run on the Dragon's Tail was on my 1976 Suzuki GT 750 (in 2003) and I had NO chicken strips on the rear - wow what a ride.
Nice Avitar John, wonder where you got that photo?

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Bill,


Your article on "chicken strip reading" was well put. The avatar is a killboy shot from the STC III gathering in the smokies (but then you knew that), notice the grip posture of the pillion. Actually she did very well as it was her first trip on the Dragon. We did the grand loop that day. Dragon, Foothills Pkwy, Little River Rd and up and over New Found Gap. I must have done a good job as she wants to go back in the fall.

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Dumb question # 482

For those of us who are ignorant in tire terminology...what exactly ARE chicken strips???

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_strips

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For those of us who are ignorant in tire terminology...what exactly ARE chicken strips???
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I would add...

I would add to the Wikipedia entry that the most obvious indicator of "lack of wear" on the outer edges of the motorcycle tire are the remaining little rubber injection mold flashings to the outer edges (like spaced out little single hairs of rubber). Typically that is what someone is looking at as the basis for identifying "chicken strips".

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Its more fun to get rid of chicken strips in NZ...the road surfaces are more abrasive and offer better grip....you should go :-).

How were the front tire chicken strips?? Getting rid of those is even more fun.

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For those of us who are ignorant in tire terminology...what exactly ARE chicken strips???
Thanks for asking -- you beat me to it. I've heard the term but didn't know what it meant. (come on folks... you all weren't born knowing what that phrase meant...)

If there are those who judge one's riding style or skill by the depth (thickness? # of hairs?) on the chicken strips, then I'll bet there is someone out there who carefully cuts off those little hairs when new tires are installed, to give the appearance that he is an aggressive rider.

You have me curious now. I'll take a look at the bike tomorrow morning before I ride out of the garage; I'm curious how big my chicken strips are!

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Thanks everyone for the insight.
Randy, good thought on the road. I'm a righty, but left is more of a challenge for me. The nubbies were gone after the first scrub in, I'm talking about the obvious wear line that sets in over time.
John, got to agree, I was shocked when I looked at them closer.
Bill, that's an excellent quote and even better analysis. Of course, how you position your body weight on the bike can impact the lean angle as well, but now we're moving on to the Iliad from War and Peace. I think my chicken strips have grown as I've gotten better at weighting the inside peg and getting my chin over the handlebars and my weight forward and low. Not hanging off, just moving my weight to the inside which keeps the bike more upright throught the turn.
Ralph, I owe you a long report on NZ, would a copy of the pictures we took suffice instead? We had a blast. We ended up going pretty much exactly the route you mapped out. We're already planning a return trip to the South Island in 09, and will definitely make it a bike tour this time. Thinking about going with another couple and getting both bikes and a car so we have the ease of getting around in the evenings and give our wives a break. The chicken strips were on the front, didn't look at the back yet - a quick inspection - they are 1/4 to 3/8.
Howard, you live in Ohio, you don't even need to look.

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You might want reconsider your comment to Howard .....try the roads around his part of Ohio--FUNNN!!!! I'll put rt. 555 against any road for thrills and blind summits!!!!

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You might want reconsider your comment to Howard .....try the roads around his part of Ohio--FUNNN!!!! I'll put rt. 555 against any road for thrills and blind summits!!!!

Mike in Hilliard OH
True enough, never been down rt 555, I'll make it a point next time I'm through there. What towns do I look up to find it on a map? I'm usually on the super slab in that part of OH beating feet north and west.

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Here is what a proper run on the Dragon does to the front and rear chicken strips and NO I did not drag a peg or centerstand on this run.
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Joel--anywhere east of the ohio river and south of I-70 can be amazing especially more south of 70. the truth is anywhere the glaciers did not flatten in ohio is quite hilly and twisty ....GREAT roads!!!

555 is honestly "silly" and its northern end is near New Lexington and southern end near Athens...northern part (1st 8mls. a workout) All surrounding roads are cool as well..but economically depressed areas . not a area known like tenn/nc hopefully it stays that way for awhile...if your up here its a must ride.

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If there are those who judge one's riding style or skill by the depth (thickness? # of hairs?) on the chicken strips, then I'll bet there is someone out there who carefully cuts off those little hairs when new tires are installed, to give the appearance that he is an aggressive rider.
It's not just the rubber "hairs", but can also appear as though the tire is only worn in the center, w/ good rubber & tread on the outer edges.

Get directly behind your bike look at the rear tire and divide it in thirds vertically.
If the center third is noticably more worn than the left or right third, then you got 'em, baby - bawk buk baawk!

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What Can You Tell From Chicken Strips?

I've noticed that I don't get near the grip or sticking power from processed, or pressed pieces, as I get from pure breast pieces.
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Let me know if you would need more details or a riding partner.

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We'll be in Mt Vernon the week after the MOA, will try to plan something then if I can't come up with an excuse to head that way before then. When I think about it, it takes me about 5 hours to get to Asheville, I can make Southern Ohio in about 7 - maybe we should plan a RTE - I'll make a weekend of it. How about Memorial Day?

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I notice that I also don't feel like I lay the bike down as far on the left as I do the right but my tires tell another story. Fact is I lay the bike down just as far, I just keep my head up farther watching for what's comeing around the corner at me that I may need to pull that right hand in a bit.

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