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After all most two months of intense studying and very hard work, today I graduated from Rider Coach training. It was non stop stress, long hours, extremely hard work, puncuated by many times of feeling inadequate, stupid and not worthy. As our final exam we taught an actual BRC with paying students this weekend. I can tell you it was all worth it and would recommend it to anyone. The satisfaction of taking 12 novice riders and watching them progress and having them all make it through was worth any pain I might have felt.
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Well done, glad you're there to help new riders get into the sport and learn to ride safe.

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After all most two months of intense studying and very hard work, today I graduated from Rider Coach training. It was non stop stress, long hours, extremely hard work, puncuated by many times of feeling inadequate, stupid and not worthy. As our final exam we taught an actual BRC with paying students this weekend. I can tell you it was all worth it and would recommend it to anyone. The satisfaction of taking 12 novice riders and watching them progress and having them all make it through was worth any pain I might have felt.
Congratulations. The road to becoming an instructor has always been plagued with high stress , too much information in a short time and a lot of personal sacrifice and commitment. However, now that you have got your feet wet it will begin to pay you back tenfold. I've spent the last ten years pounding the asphalt week in and week out, but there is nothing else I would rather do.
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Congratulations, a great accomplishment!

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Congratulations and welcome to the club. I started teaching, OPPS - I mean COACHING, back in 1999 and have had the privilege of working with nearly 2000 students since then. The interesting thing is that even after all that time the whole process still fascinates and amazes me. When you can take 12 individuals, many of whom have never ridden other than as a passenger, and inside of about 30 to 45 minutes after physically introducing them to a motorcycle have them safely riding with control you've got to be impressed. Then of course the icing on the cake is when a former student stops you on the street and starts telling you how much they are enjoying riding and thanks you for getting them started. Overall it's a great program and I'm sure it will provide you with a great deal of pleasure and satisfaction.

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Yes congratulations are in order. I've been a coach for 6 years now. The previous version (RSS - I was in the last class in NC to go thru the RSS). The first 6 - 12 classes are your toughest. You want to teach the new riders everything right now. To me, watching new coaches, the biggest thing I would tell them is to remember to not talk to much whent he students stop for coaching. Pick one thing to coach them on for their next lap. Just as you feel overloaded now, the students can also be overloaded. Remember how you;re feeling now when you are on the range with new riders.

It gets easier with time. Our Saturday with real students was called "the flaming Spiral into Hell" by our trainer.

I'm the lead at our local college now. If there's anything I can help clarify, please email. Be glad to help you, if I can.

Good luck and congrats.

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My wife and I both coaches. Enjoy, it also keeps your skills peaked. Just do not burn yourself out as I did one year. Just taught too many classes. I teach once a while now.
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Good point about not overdoing it. I did 18 classes my first full year to learn and get comfortable with the process. I did, but at the expense of my sanity. by the last class, I was ready to be done and was a bit apathetic.

OTOH, I have a coach who has done 3 per year since he got certified (this will be his 3rd year) and he still doesn't know the material that good. You have to find a balance.

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Good point about not overdoing it. I did 18 classes my first full year to learn and get comfortable with the process. I did, but at the expense of my sanity. by the last class, I was ready to be done and was a bit apathetic.

OTOH, I have a coach who has done 3 per year since he got certified (this will be his 3rd year) and he still doesn't know the material that good. You have to find a balance.

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The training managers I've had contact with recommend 12 classes a year. I think it depends on the person and their other commitments (job , family, etc). In my neck of the woods, some instructors hammer out over 50 total (IRT, BRT, RSP, or ART) classes a year and come back the next year and do the same. Some are close to burn out at six, or seven. Personally, I average around 26 per year with my high year being 38 classes.

To be an effective instructor I think one needs to be teaching an average of 1 to 1.5 classes a month. I am also a strong believer in teaching at different levels (intermediate, experienced, advanced and novice) as it keeps it interesting.
I also find it valuable to continue my instructor education by enrolling in multiple, advanced rider trainings (slow school etc), or track days. This allows me to develop a student's perspective, while learning and having fun.
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Oh Patrick, you;re in that OREGON group.... I've heard about you guys.... I would really like to hear more about the Oregon program and know what all the fuss is about.

Actually, with only weekends scheduled between march and Nov. it would be next to impossible to do that many classes and maintain a "day" job. I would love to be able to teach exclusively. But alas, other commitments and such won;t allow that. It pays well, but not that well.

I do agree that a coach needs to do a certain amount of classes to stay at a proficient level. I know my first class of the year is always a bit rusty. I agree that a class or two per month would be ideal, once one gets the hang of it. And it takes 6 - 12 classes to really feel comfortable with the materials and processes.

I also agree about the doing different levels and taking other classes to help you remember what it's like to be a student.

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Oh Patrick, you;re in that OREGON group.... I've heard about you guys.... I would really like to hear more about the Oregon program and know what all the fuss is about.

Actually, with only weekends scheduled between march and Nov. it would be next to impossible to do that many classes and maintain a "day" job. I would love to be able to teach exclusively. But alas, other commitments and such won;t allow that. It pays well, but not that well.

I do agree that a coach needs to do a certain amount of classes to stay at a proficient level. I know my first class of the year is always a bit rusty. I agree that a class or two per month would be ideal, once one gets the hang of it. And it takes 6 - 12 classes to really feel comfortable with the materials and processes.

I also agree about the doing different levels and taking other classes to help you remember what it's like to be a student.

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If you base this on the (BRC,BRT ,or MRC:RSS) then you are correct in that it is impossible to teach that much and maintain a day job. However, the amount of classes one can teach grows rapidly when the one day classes (that we offer here in Oregon) are factored in. For example, the intermediate (IRT) advanced (ART) and Rider Skills Practice (RSP) are all one day classes, so realistically an instructor can teach two classes in one weekend. Our program runs year round with midweek classes offered in the summer.

I understand that training programs are not universal and that Oregon is different. I should have taken that into account in my previous post.

If I ever have a real job again then 6, to 12 classes a year will be my maximum (even in Oregon).

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< "I would really like to hear more about the Oregon program and know what all the fuss is about." >

I am not at liberty to discuss the "fuss" , nor do I have any information that has not been been covered in depth in Motorcycle Consumer News (MCN) in the past two years.

While I'm very enthusiastic about our program, it would be impossible to summarize any of our courses and how they are taught. It would be like trying to explain instructor preparation (IP) to someone that has not experienced its (IPs) pain and gain.

All I can say is that Oregon has one hell of a good program.

Happy coaching,

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After all most two months of intense studying and very hard work, today I graduated from Rider Coach training. It was non stop stress, long hours, extremely hard work, puncuated by many times of feeling inadequate, stupid and not worthy. As our final exam we taught an actual BRC with paying students this weekend. I can tell you it was all worth it and would recommend it to anyone. The satisfaction of taking 12 novice riders and watching them progress and having them all make it through was worth any pain I might have felt.
Congratulations on successfully completeing this course.

I start the MIP course Next weekend. I suspect it will be a long 6 weeks trying to educate and old fart like me

Was your course through MSF or the "Oregon" program?

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After all most two months of intense studying and very hard work, today I graduated from Rider Coach training. It was non stop stress, long hours, extremely hard work, puncuated by many times of feeling inadequate, stupid and not worthy. As our final exam we taught an actual BRC with paying students this weekend. I can tell you it was all worth it and would recommend it to anyone. The satisfaction of taking 12 novice riders and watching them progress and having them all make it through was worth any pain I might have felt.
Congratulations! A great achievement.

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Thanks Jay and Bigbear, It was the MSF, Bear I am 60 so if I can make it I am sure you will also. Just hang in there and keep pluggin away.
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Hey I know what you mean. I graduated last weekend from the CT program. I actually taught my first class yesterday. I am doing the range tomorrow from 1 to 7. Our IPW started with 33 people and we graduated 16. It felt great to finish. Good luck with your classes.

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After all most two months of intense studying and very hard work, today I graduated from Rider Coach training. It was non stop stress, long hours, extremely hard work, puncuated by many times of feeling inadequate, stupid and not worthy. As our final exam we taught an actual BRC with paying students this weekend. I can tell you it was all worth it and would recommend it to anyone. The satisfaction of taking 12 novice riders and watching them progress and having them all make it through was worth any pain I might have felt.
congrats, had we stayed in FL I would be teaching there for sure!

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