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Why Does It Have To Be A Harley ??

3 or 4 time in the last month I was talkin to some of my customers. I had mentioned going for a ride on my " BIKE" . The first thing outa there mouths was 'What kinda Harley do you ride"? my responce was "Why do it have to be a Harley"? I ride a BMW !!! then I get the " Deer in the headlight stair". what is it that make people think that everyone who rides, rides a Harley? I've been ridin sence I was 15 years old and never owned a HD. I,ve had Suzuki, Yamaha, Honda and now BMW (OH YEA I now have a Yamaha 90 dirtbike) for the grandkids Thanks Tony !!! I was just wondering if any one else gets this same responce? people just assume we ride HD's
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Sure, it happens to everyone. Because there are 12 jillion Harleys out there for every BMW and because HD's marketing is so pervasive, "Harley" and "motorcycle" are synonymous with many people. They're doing a good job -- have to give them that credit.

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You could always tell them "I'm really not much of a mechanic, so I didn't get a Harley" (although in fairness, that doesn't really apply anymore)


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I tell them that I have both, but that the important thing is that I ride and not what I ride.

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You could always tell them "I'm really not much of a mechanic, so I didn't get a Harley" (although in fairness, that doesn't really apply anymore)


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Or you could just tell them you're not much a mechanic and leave it at that

Wanna ride a bit Saturday late afternoon or early evening? Maybe you could cage it over here and get that exhaust installed finally. After, you could ride the LT and I'll take the RKC.

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I ride a MOTORCYCLE

That's the line I give 'em.

"I ride a BMW. It's a MOTORCYCLE. A Harley's not so much a motorcycle as a lifestyle. Not much use if you're really interested in RIDING anywhere."

Shuts almost all of 'em right up. Those few who are still interested in continuing the conversation, are usually pretty interesting to talk to. :-)

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What Howard said is true, that for most middle-aged males in the USA, the only option is to decide which Harley to get.

I also think that many many people forget or never even knew that BMW sells motorcycles in the USA. Sad, but true, especially with their dealers being at least 75 miles apart from one another, and the Harley dealers being about 15 to 20.

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Harley has done a much better job at marketing to the masses. They pander to the lowest common denominator so that everyone can envision owning one...

IT is not about riding, It is about the "LifeStyle"...........

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I get dissed from time to time about the BMW, my usual reply is something like " did you get that at Lowes ?, I heard they were gonna sell Briggs&Stratton motorcycles"...


..responses almost always include something about copulating in the distance..

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Like I said before, when I was researching ahead of a police motor purchase, (back in 2000) a Harley exec from their HQ told me they will do anything to make certain they stay in the public view with regard to police motors. His quote was like this- "We want that 10 yr old riding in his parents car to look out and see a police officer on a HARLEY next to him, so when he's thinking about his own motorcycle purchase later on, he'll recall that first impression."

THAT is probably why they offer a $99/month lease price to police departments and a $10K outright purchase option. I don't think you'd come close to those prices if you went to buy a BMW.

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It's called the Kleenex effect. A single product has such market domination (at least in the eyes of the average slob) that its brand name becomes synonymous with the common name.

You hear the same thing in some parts of the country where "Coke" is used as the generic name for "any carbonated beverage" (that's "soda" in the east, and "pop" in the west).
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On a slightly related topic, I was in a meeting a couple weeks ago and mentioned that I had gotten a new (to me) bike... a BMW touring bike. One of the guys in the room started telling stories about his trips to Sturgis. He was telling about coming back to Seattle on his Fat Boy which has a remarkably small gas tank, and nearly having to push the bike the last few miles somewhere in Montana where the gas stations are few and far between. And then, how as he was getting older, taking the trip half-way across the country on a Harley just wasn't quite as much fun as it was when he was younger and he didn't even go the last two years because he was so busy at work, etc. etc. etc. But he said that he was really hoping to make it to Sturgis this year... I said, "well, get yourself a BMW and you might actually make it there and back."

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I was recently diagnosed with sleep apnea and went to get set up with a c-pap machine. I told the therapist I would like the smallest machine available so it wouldn't take up so much room in the bike while touring.
She brought out a nice small machine and said "this should fit in your Harley very well."
I told her I had a BMW and if I had a Harley I would just haul it in the support vehicle...
She said "well, BMW probably makes nice bikes too."

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Or you could just tell them you're not much a mechanic and leave it at that

Wanna ride a bit Saturday late afternoon or early evening? Maybe you could cage it over here and get that exhaust installed finally. After, you could ride the LT and I'll take the RKC.


would have LOVED to...today sucked...gonna be a little while before the post-surgical pain subsides, and I have two weeks travelling starting the 12th coming up, so I might be out of luck.

and I'm a GREAT mechanic...it just takes me three tries of doing it wrong before I figure out how to do it right...

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Why be confrontational?

Why be confrontational? They are just trying to show interest in what you are doing. They are not trying to be smart. They just hear and see more about Harleys. They are nice cruising machines with a strong following. Nothing wrong here, so why should anyone feel insulted that people just aren't that familar with other brands.

My response? Usually something like this. "No, I am on my BMW today. Also have a Suzuki VStrom." The word Harley rarely surfaces again, but it they do, I respond with; "Yea, nice bikes. Had several (FatBoy & Ultra) but sold them for something different."

I don't want to appear a smart ***, or cut someone else's ride or riding preferences. These people are just admiring your sport!
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I was recently diagnosed with sleep apnea and went to get set up with a c-pap machine. I told the therapist I would like the smallest machine available so it wouldn't take up so much room in the bike while touring.
She brought out a nice small machine and said "this should fit in your Harley very well."
I told her I had a BMW and if I had a Harley I would just haul it in the support vehicle...
She said "well, BMW probably makes nice bikes too."

Whatever.
Hope you got a nice Cpap. I got one that has two parts to it - one part is the breathing machine itself, the other is a heated humidity unit, to keep moist air moving. If I separate them, the cpap itself is pretty small. the mask and hose take more space. But they gave me a nice big bag to put it all in.

As for the topic at hand, I used to try to be witty with the comebacks, now I just telll folks that when Harley makes a bike that fits my needs and budget, I'll consider it. But I like a bike that looks like a rocket.

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I was stopped at a red light and a pick-em-up truck stopped next to me with two dudes in black shirts and HD stickers on the back window. Just before the light turned green, the passenger leaned out the window and yelled "get a Harley"! I hollered back "I can't, I don't have a pick-up-truck"! They started laughing and both gave me the Thumbs Up sign.

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True or contrived, that's pretty funny!

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Indeed! You should hear my snort of derision, along with the tone of smug superiority when I say " I ride a BMW" when confronted with the same situation. I can't help it, I am basically a snob and for once I have something to be genuinely snobby about
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Depending on where you are and who you are with , there are those that firmly believe , however narrow minded it may be, that the only "REAL" bike is a Harley . I could wear anything and own anything and people would always assume I rode an HD. Whether I had my Honda, BMW or Harley .

I just look like a "Biker" .

I remember years ago , someone actually asked me " what kind of bike do you ride? " I replied wryly " you mean there is more than one kind?" They said " Oh, a Harley" then they asked me what color, to which I replied "you mean there is more than one color? " To which they replied " ah ,..Black "

At that juncture they were spot on...It never worked with any other bike .. funny how people are ....


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As I recently posted here. . .

THERE IS ONLY ONE KIND OF BIKE, it's the one you have and love to ride. Not much else matters. Pirate or preppy, whoosh or potato-potato, who cares? Ride your ride.

In my case, my one kind of bike is mt LT on some days, and my HD Road King on others. Saturday I rode the LT a bit, Sunday I rode the Harley a while. I didn;t ride long, I had other obligations, but the important thing to me is that I rode.

As Stan Lee used to always say . . . 'Nuff said!


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Amen all that matters is that you ride , not what you ride.
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3 or 4 time in the last month I was talkin to some of my customers. I had mentioned going for a ride on my " BIKE" . The first thing outa there mouths was 'What kinda Harley do you ride"? my responce was "Why do it have to be a Harley"? I ride a BMW !!! then I get the " Deer in the headlight stair". what is it that make people think that everyone who rides, rides a Harley? I've been ridin sence I was 15 years old and never owned a HD. I,ve had Suzuki, Yamaha, Honda and now BMW (OH YEA I now have a Yamaha 90 dirtbike) for the grandkids Thanks Tony !!! I was just wondering if any one else gets this same responce? People just assume we ride HD's.
But what other bike could you decorate your living room with?!

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But what other bike could you decorate your living room with?!
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I'm riding to Vegas with 6 Harley's and my LT. I told them I will be the "parts vehicle" to go pick up parts when they break down.
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I was pumping fuel into my Ultra way back when and a young 20ish girl came over to me holding on to her HD neckless and sporting the HD shirt. She said "that's a cool bike, is it a Harley?" I just nodded and then she went on to telling me that she had a bunch of Harley stuff. I still wonder if I had answered No, it's a Yamaha if she would have still thought my bike was cool.

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But what other bike could you decorate your living room with?!
Any /2 or earlier BMW. Duh.

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I was pumping fuel into my Ultra way back when and a young 20ish girl came over to me holding on to her HD neckless and sporting the HD shirt. She said "that's a cool bike, is it a Harley?" I just nodded and then she went on to telling me that she had a bunch of Harley stuff. I still wonder if I had answered No, it's a Yamaha if she would have still thought my bike was cool.
I find it funny that is was sporting all that Harley stuff and yet could not recognize a Harley when she saw one...! What was her hair color again???

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I ride with my brother and his friends every second Saturday of the month. Used to be 10-15 Harleys, and me on my LT. I'd have guys complimenting (under their breath) what a smooth and comfortable bike she looks like... The longer the ride, the more whispered compliments..

I finally told a guy to GET ONE (after a ride in 90+ temps., he was roasting on the Harley), so he did. Now our 2 LTs follow the pack. That's because many of the Harleys in the group are stock... If we lead the way on our stock LTs in the Sierra Mountains, they get left in the dust!

That being said, my next bike will probably be a Harley, for short "cruise around town" trips. The LT is for when we go for a real ride.

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Any /2 or earlier BMW. Duh.
Oh no--way off base! I wouldn't have any BMW newer than, say an @6, decorating my living room! You guys just don't appreciate chrome when you see it.

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I find it funny that she was sporting all that Harley stuff and yet could not recognize a Harley when she saw one! What was her hair color again?
Yeah, but in all fairness, her clothes were on!

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