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post #1 of 25 Old Feb 28th, 2007, 6:44 pm Thread Starter
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New Victory Vision

In a moment of weakness, I traded a '02 R1100R for a Victory. Long story short the Victory was in the shop for 4 of the 6 months I owned it. Back to Beemers after that. I still get the magazine from Victory and this month they highlight the new tourer. Looks like a cross between an LT and the batmobile. Not sure where Victory is going with this one. It has an available electric windshield, available sound system,and an available heated seat. No idea on the price. I think I will keep my available '03 LT.
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post #2 of 25 Old Feb 28th, 2007, 9:25 pm
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I like the new look of the Victory.......... looks like they are after the
BMW-ish-AmericanCruiser Market eh?

Makes sense as the demographics for both are very simular.

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I kinda put the Vision in the same boat as the Honda Rune....not sure how many Runes were sold, but I cant imagine it was a bunch. There will always be someone with money in hand waiting to buy the Vision, but I dont think its as functional where it needs to be (twisties, HP, etc).....

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I saw 2 of them at the show , my daughter said they looked "futuristic and swoopy" while it had some nice features , it looked like a gold wing and an Arlen Ness bike had a bad coupling.
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I like the new look of the Victory.......... looks like they are after the
BMW-ish-AmericanCruiser Market eh?

Makes sense as the demographics for both are very simular.
I looked at them in detail at the Cleveland show
Had a guy my size sit on it while I checked clearance on the side stand
less than a hands width without a passenger.
That would be a drag point, problem I think
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Hard to believe your Vic sat at the dealership for 4 of the 6 months. What was wrong with it? I have had 3 Vic's and never had one in the shop except for tune up or mods. Not sure on the hp and trq. but shoule be pretty high since the ***** is a 112 cid engine. Certainly will be larger than the stock 100 cid on their other bikes.
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if you think it looks a wee bit like a LT, according to the Polaris rep at the motorcycle show the ain designer is a former BMW designer.

Looks good but not engineered as much as a LT.

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My Vic had three recalls, the cylinders leak oil from a bad casting and there was something wrong with the kick stand spring, that would let the stand drop when I was headed down the road. I thought the bike looked good and it was comfortable, it was just a bad luck bike. But I have also owned 6 beemers and have never had anything really go wrong with them.
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Victory Reliability

Montycs did not apparently have a good experience with the Victory, as noted above.

In the 09/02/06 edition of the Toronto Globe and Mail newspaper, their motorcycle columnist recounts his very disappointing experiences with not 1 but 2 Vics. I do not want to offend copyright, so I will not reproduce the review in this post. However, here is the link to the review which is a sad commentary on the lack of quality control, flawed design and the foibles of being an "early adopter":

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...TURNUS+victory

If you read the piece, you will see that somebody sure as heck did not "sweat the details".

Would de fadderland or our Japanese friends produce such disappointing crud without seeming to make an effort to correct the problems? I am sure that there are those on this forum who will be able to enlighten me.

In all fairness to Polaris, they may have cleaned up their act in the intervening 5 years since the 2001 and 2002 models subject of the review to which I have referred.

I had the opportunity to test drive the Kingpin and another model and I was really impressed with the power band and the relative smoothness of the 100 c.i. engine, big twin. To me, a much more pleasing experience than my very limited H-D exposure. But one hour on the factory preped, "they god darn better work" demos is a far cry from actual ownership.

I, for one, welcome the prospect of another competitor (?) to the touring market. Anything that brings more people into the sport has got to be good for the community. There is credibility in numbers.

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Thanks for that webpage, very interesting. Victory never did want to address my problems, but to their credit they did fix everything. Mine was a 2001. I think that Polaris has done a much better job and the bikes look good, but I am going to stay with BMW's until I can't hold them up at a traffic light.
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It's kind of funny, some of the things I read when Victory was rated #1 by JD powers.
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Looked a Vision over in Daytona yesterday, no demo rides, but no velvet rope either. Handlebars felt a little cramped, more Gold Wingish than the LT. Other than that, I didn't any issues with the riding position. The seat will suck; they all do don't they? The weight in the bike seems very low as it came up off the side stand very easily, but who knows how of the bike is actually there. Everybody commented on the "light" feel.

Top case holds two full face helmets, but not much else. They wouldn't open the side bags. My suspicion is they may be redesigned for more room before the production run starts. The left side passenger grab rail on the display bike was beat to hell. Everyone who dismounted the bike while I was there kicked it, hard. Victory might want to do something there, or at least make the finish more durable. A couple of Harley guys commented on the integrated tip over bars, as if that was a new concept.

The bike definitely looks better in person, but there was a lot of "I don't know" answers when asked about the design. Looking forward to riding it.

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but I am going to stay with BMW's until I can't hold them up at a traffic light.
Then I think I'll trike the BMW.

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My Vic had three recalls, the cylinders leak oil from a bad casting and there was something wrong with the kick stand spring, that would let the stand drop when I was headed down the road. I thought the bike looked good and it was comfortable, it was just a bad luck bike. But I have also owned 6 beemers and have never had anything really go wrong with them.
What year and model was it ?
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Thanks for that webpage, very interesting. Victory never did want to address my problems, but to their credit they did fix everything. Mine was a 2001. I think that Polaris has done a much better job and the bikes look good, but I am going to stay with BMW's until I can't hold them up at a traffic light.
Those early vics had a few problems ... but still no where near the problems my buddies had with their Harley's.

Mine (An '04) has been nearly flawless. Mechanically I've never had a single issue.

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I kinda put the Vision in the same boat as the Honda Rune....not sure how many Runes were sold, but I cant imagine it was a bunch. There will always be someone with money in hand waiting to buy the Vision, but I dont think its as functional where it needs to be (twisties, HP, etc).....

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Based on...what ?
my looking at the vid and the pix of the bike....I didnt design the fookin thing, just seems as if the lean angles are short due to the predominance of chromey shit hangin off it. Being a VTwin, youre not gonna have much more than 100HP on a stock motor...sure there plenty of big HP twins out there, but not at showroom prices.

answer your question...sheesh, 2 posts and you climb all over my shit...


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my looking at the vid and the pix of the bike....I didnt design the fookin thing, just seems as if the lean angles are short due to the predominance of chromey shit hangin off it. Being a VTwin, youre not gonna have much more than 100HP on a stock motor...sure there plenty of big HP twins out there, but not at showroom prices.

answer your question...sheesh, 2 posts and you climb all over my shit...


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I apologize if you took offense to my question. I dont quite understand the reason for the venomus response? I'm new here to this board so I guess there are certain protocols here I am not familiar with? Now, to address the points you brought up:

The Vic engineers specifically addressed these issues becasue they wanted the Vision to have superior handling characteristics. It does LOOK like it would be top heavy but the way the designed it - it has a very low center of gravity (confirmed by many who have already taken one off the kickstand). According to the test riders, a serious sport touring rider will be able to scrape the pegs/boards in very tight turns but they are made to deal with that. They are especialy proud of the Visions low speed handling and feel it will be a big selling point - this is why they will be pushing test rides very hard at all dealerships.

As far as comparisons to the LT it is my understand it will not be introduced with a reverse gear or ABS - two features that many upper end luxury tourers expect and it seems that its storage space is a liitle but short of the space provided by the LT or the Wing.

Just my two cents

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Thanks for the article link. Based on that article, I would be hard pressed to even consider a Victory. The thought of touring cross country for a business trip with my trailer carrying merchandise and gear just scares the daylights out of me... Talk about an unsuccessful business trip. I'll stick with what seems to work for me, my LT!!!!
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http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/Articl...ID=4938&Page=1

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The released specs state the motor on the Vision will be a 106 Cu in (1731cc) unit. That modification could be done on Victory's other models at the dealership for $ with a kit from S & S. They claim 106 ft pounds of torque, which is reasonable for chain driven dual overhead cams. Based upon my 103 cu in Harley, I project that the power will be around 105HP. I, too, sat on one at Bike Week in Phoenix. For a short guy, it was a comfortable position and the feet were firmly on the ground. The famous seat issue can be summarized by saying it was alright for five minutes and not moving.

There was a photo of the side saddle bags on the web and the actual space inside is not that of the doors, but a substatntially smaller area. Having not seen a production model, I don't know if that is the ultimate reality.

I put down a refundable reservation deposit last spring, but plan to cancel since there is no ABS. Even Harley is now offering an updated ABS system at extra cost. Maybe a future Vision will offer that feature. Rumors have it that Bushtec will offer a trailer hitch for the bike in the near future. The next year's model will offer more flexibility for GPS and other gear.

This link might be of interest.

http://www.polarisindustries.com/en-...on/Experience/
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I rode by the Victory dealership in Myrtle Beach, SC. They had a Vision street model sitting out front with a Michigan dealer tag on it. I was checking it out when a sales guy asked if he could help. I asked if I could sit on it and he said "Sure!". Then I asked if I could start her up. "Sure!" again was the reply. After talking to the guy for a while and explaining that I was an LT owner and that this Vision was sort of a copy of the LT right down to the tip over bars and moulded side cases, and telling him how I was a retired motor cop and all, he let me take it for a short ride. My impressions were.......
V-twin still has more vibration than we are accustomed to....very low center of gravity....handle bars curiously look like LT's.....great low end torque (couldn't wind her up due to traffic)....has foot platforms rather than pegs for rider and passenger...very comfortable leg position eliminating the need for j-pegs, etc......great fit and finish......intregal brakes but no ABS available......really bright lights.......no heated seat or grips on street version.....great sound, not too loud....belt drive seems worry free...tip over bars front AND rear....really cool looking in black....electrically adjustable windscreen is standard.

It really didn't float my boat all the way but it was a very interesting bike and I am sure it will do well. They did not have one with the tour package so I can't comment on the weird top case.

Now back to the Grady White and then damn elusive fish.

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That is one ugly motorcycle. I suspect as already mentioned that it will go the way of the Rune.

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Cool victory vision

there is a 5 page write up on it in the sept. issue of MOTOR CYCLEST mag. they run a bun burner 1500 on it. average mpg. 38, 92 bhp @4500 rpm, 109 ft. lbs @ 3250 rpms.
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Current issue of Rider has a write-up as well. They did note the lack of space in the saddlebags. Also a really good photo of the GPS system....looks awfully familiar, expect for the lack of left side buttons.

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