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post #1 of 20 Old Feb 12th, 2007, 11:59 am Thread Starter
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Victory's Vision .... vs my Vision ....

OR ... what I wish Victory had done ( At least front end wise )

Here's what I'd have liked to have seen from the front end ... My 10 minute hack job with Microsoft Paint.

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No Al Jolsen lips , No Bozo the clown nose , No Furbee ear turn signals , No Clown collar , and added some mock driving/fog lights that fit the lower fairing. I also extended up the air deflectors so they didn't hand like some god aweful earings .

There's numerous other things I'd personally want to change about it ... but , had it looked like this .... especially with out the proboscis .... I'd be putting money on one.
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So you are basically turning it into... an LT

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Nessed Up

Personally, I think the whole bike is Nessed up. Long flowing lines that make it impractical and ugly.

But then again, the only look that matters to you on your bike is the one from behind the handlebars.

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So you are basically turning it into... an LT
I guess you could say it brings it a little closer

What really sucks here is I was excited about this bike (Before seeing it) And they come out with something , going in the BMW Goldwing direction .... that's a mishmosh of the two and better than neither 5-9 year old designs and claim it's the freshest thing on two wheels.

I'm bummed. I wanted a Vtwin tourer to go along with my other bikes and this was going to be it. Harley is not an option for me. All my friends have one and the designs do nothing for me.

I hope BMW comes out with one serious butt kicking motor for the new LT's , cause that's where I'm headed now.
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Victory Vision

FWIW the rep from Polaris-Victory at the Intl Moto sshow said the designer of the bike came from BMW.

Many styling cues from the LT to mention. Bike did not fit me properly. Seat to low, arms reached to far. But compared to the wings controls where you have buttons by your knees and you have to take your eyes off the road way to much to make adjustments it is much better design on that level. The passenger sits way high of the windsheild.

The front view looks like a GW-LT mingling of the species. The side views seem to be cross between LT and v-twin retro/deco style cruiser

I personally like the way it looks. NOT like another one of the other 2 billion HD's or other clone V-twin cruisers. Kind of like another brand out there that is different from the rest of the pack.

Another point Victory is way less than 20 years old and is doing this. HD is 100 years old and still doing the same old thing. At least they (Victory) are doing something different!

This bike is going to be like the Dodge ram truck, when they went to the Kenilworth look in the early 90's you will like or hate it. I like the styling looks.

Would I buy one... Well not unless it fits me right and proves to perform close to the LT. my guess it will be a gas pig and be quite heavy and handle accordingly. I do not think Victory's known for excellent fuel mileage.

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I like Victory's try. It looks good to me from the side. I don't like the front. Some will like it all and some won't like any of it. There is no dealer around so I won't be getting one any time soon. At least it gives people something new to talk about.
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Would I buy one... Well not unless it fits me right and proves to perform close to the LT. my guess it will be a gas pig and be quite heavy and handle accordingly. I do not think Victory's known for excellent fuel mileage.
They're not too bad mileage wise. My Kingpin averages about 40mpg so long as I don't beat on the throttle.

I created the first ever 6+ gallon tank (On a Victory) for mine and have cracked the 200 mile mark on a tank without the reserve light coming on.

Rumor has it the motor will be larger on the Vision , so coupled with weight it probably won't do as well. The closed loop fuel system might help it a little, but I'd expect we'll see 200mile cruising range between fill ups with the larger tank.
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Pete,

I get a minimum of 41 on my LT riding 1 up at a spirited level. When driving with in the limits of better sensability and moderate accelration I get 49 to 50 mpg.

The LT is 850lbs or so and I weigh 235 just out of the shower. nevermind leather and armored clothes & the usual extra crap I bring along.

I think the mileage thing does not get enough emphasis. Heck my MINI Cooper non S type @115hp gets 28 to 29 around town and well over 30 on the highway and it weighs 2500lbs. Why cannot a bike that weighs 1/3 of that get at least 45 to 50 mpg? I know aerodynamics is a factor but why?

I still like the looks of the victory. But that is not the only thing I like the looks of and wont be buying or renting either!

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I get a minimum of 41 on my LT riding 1 up at a spirited level. When driving with in the limits of better sensability and moderate accelration I get 49 to 50 mpg.

The LT is 850lbs or so and I weigh 235 just out of the shower. nevermind leather and armored clothes & the usual extra crap I bring along.

I think the mileage thing does not get enough emphasis. Heck my MINI Cooper non S type @115hp gets 28 to 29 around town and well over 30 on the highway and it weighs 2500lbs. Why cannot a bike that weighs 1/3 of that get at least 45 to 50 mpg? I know aerodynamics is a factor but why?

I still like the looks of the victory. But that is not the only thing I like the looks of and wont be buying or renting either!
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Here's what I'd have liked to have seen from the front end ... My 10 minute hack job with Microsoft Paint.
Being the co-village idiot, I see little difference between the two!

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They're not too bad mileage wise. My Kingpin averages about 40mpg so long as I don't beat on the throttle.

I created the first ever 6+ gallon tank (On a Victory) for mine and have cracked the 200 mile mark on a tank without the reserve light coming on.

Rumor has it the motor will be larger on the Vision , so coupled with weight it probably won't do as well. The closed loop fuel system might help it a little, but I'd expect we'll see 200mile cruising range between fill ups with the larger tank.
A guy i ride with regularly has Kingpin w/Stage 1 (very nice ride btw) - he averages 43 mpg, he says he can get up top 46 riding "sensibly" and as low as 39 when not riding "sensibly".
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I sat on this bike and it is most outstanding! Will corner with any bike out there and although I am only 69" I could extend my feet until my legs were straight and still have the heals on the over sized floor boards. Mucho power!

I do think that If I pick it up I will be looking for a bigger windshield but it's a cool bike!
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I sat on this bike and it is most outstanding! Will corner with any bike out there ...
How can you tell this by just sitting on it?

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How can you tell this by just sitting on it?
I can neither confirm nor deny that I test rode this bike at this time. But the picture was not taken in the parking lot of the dealership.
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A guy i ride with regularly has Kingpin w/Stage 1 (very nice ride btw) - he averages 43 mpg, he says he can get up top 46 riding "sensibly" and as low as 39 when not riding "sensibly".
Sounds like he's got the smaller 92ci motor.

Mine is a modified 100ci , but yes that sounds about right.

I know a while back a few VMC guys were attemptinmg to break the 200 mile mark on a tank of gas with a bit of trouble. But a few did accomplish it with the stock 4.5 gallon tank.
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I usually run around 36 mpg on my Hammer but I ride it pretty hard so not surprised. My LT is much more fuel efficient.
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I can confirm.

I sat on one at Daytona this weekend. I liked it. I like the shape of the Vision. I would really really like to ride one. The one at Daytona must have been a prototype, the clutch did not work and some of the fits and finish were really bad. Maybe soon there be one to test ride.
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I usually run around 36 mpg on my Hammer but I ride it pretty hard so not surprised. My LT is much more fuel efficient.
Same here ... when I hammer it ... which is often (LIKE YESTERDAY!) I average mid 30's.
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I sat on one at Daytona this weekend. I liked it. I like the shape of the Vision. I would really really like to ride one. The one at Daytona must have been a prototype, the clutch did not work and some of the fits and finish were really bad. Maybe soon there be one to test ride.
I've "E-talked" to a few who have ridden them . So far the comments have all been very positive.
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I can neither confirm nor deny that I test rode this bike at this time. But the picture was not taken in the parking lot of the dealership.
Well you could tell us, BUT, you know what has to happen next.........

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