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most dangerous driver - my .02

I've tried and tried to avoid a stereotype of the most dangerous driver out there. I thought about the teenage speeder, the senior citizen eventual left turner with signal going, the 18-wheeler behind schedule, the saturday night drunk bar hopper, the rifle in the back window pickup speeder, the sleepy college girl, the overloaded landscape truck, the bouncing empty gravel truck, etc.

and the winner is (IMHO)...

The cell-phone SUV mom. Usually with kiddie seats and a DVD going, yakking away at a hand-held phone.

any other candidates I'm missing?
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I've tried and tried to avoid a stereotype of the most dangerous driver out there. I thought about the teenage speeder, the senior citizen eventual left turner with signal going, the 18-wheeler behind schedule, the saturday night drunk bar hopper, the rifle in the back window pickup speeder, the sleepy college girl, the overloaded landscape truck, the bouncing empty gravel truck, etc.

and the winner is (IMHO)...

The cell-phone SUV mom. Usually with kiddie seats and a DVD going, yakking away at a hand-held phone.

any other candidates I'm missing?
We had one situation here in the midwest recently. A car full of spanish speaking folks in a minivan on ice. Turns out all illegals. All dead as the driver lost control and hit oncoming. Not a seat belt fastened in the group. Wonder how many miles of winter driving experience the driver enjoyed before killing himself and his companions? Perhaps this category could be called "no liscense to operate a motor vehicle, no winter driving experience, no English."

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and the winner is (IMHO)...

The cell-phone SUV mom. Usually with kiddie seats and a DVD going, yakking away at a hand-held phone.

any other candidates I'm missing?
Nope, I think you got'em all and I agree with you on that one.

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I sort of kept track and kept a log of the worst offenders for a 3 month period.

I had to break it down into two categories: Wreckless driving and Careless driving. I felt I had to differentiate the two, because one showed intent, and the oher just displayed cluelessness or were oblivious to their surroundings.

Top three for each...

In the Wreckless category:

1. Teenage white males
2. Redneck white males in their 20-30s driving pickup trucks
3. Well dressed white males (regardless of vehicle) talking on cell phones

In the Careless (or Clueless) category:

1. White teenage females (they could cross into the wreckless category if there were several in the car)
2. White females, usually in SUVs or minivans on a cell phone
3. Tie: African American females (never a signal or indication of where they were going) and Asian females (just seemed lost)

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Anyone driving slower than the flow of traffic in the left lane (that's an equal opportunity offense)


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LMAO. Well done.

One major reason why I don't enjoy Florida. There outta be a limit with some type of brain processing test to keep the old timers off the highway, especially those in their 6700 # Dodge Durangos. But, that test might kick me off my GT too soon, so on second thought, drop the idea.

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Well, the ones that most times come close to running me off the road while cycling (training for Hotter Than Hell every year) are the Soccer Mom's.

Here in Texas you can spot 'em fast: Drive unwashed Suburbans with an extremely dirty rear window, always on the cell, driving way too fast, and yelling at their obnoxious kids in the back who have the DVD player going. Oh, and let's not forget the soccer ball decal on the fuel lid.

A close second would be what I call "Bubbas". These are the benighted rednecks so indigenous to the area (Texas and the greater southwest in general) who drive pickups and have less intelligence than carpet fiber...

I'm hoping for less stress when I finally score my bike with an engine although am not counting on it.

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and the winner is (IMHO)...

The cell-phone SUV mom. Usually with kiddie seats and a DVD going, yakking away at a hand-held phone.
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As an aside, try this little experiment:

The next time you are talking with someone face-to-face, stop talking and count the seconds until the other person says something. Then try the same thing on the phone.

Now, explain why one is much shorter than the other.
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Anyone driving slower than the flow of traffic in the left lane (that's an equal opportunity offense)
They tried to pass a law against that here in Florida, Guvner Jeb vetoed it. He said, "it would punish drivers for doing something that wasn't illegal." Think about that...

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I've tried and tried to avoid a stereotype of the most dangerous driver out there. I thought about the teenage speeder, the senior citizen eventual left turner with signal going, the 18-wheeler behind schedule, the saturday night drunk bar hopper, the rifle in the back window pickup speeder, the sleepy college girl, the overloaded landscape truck, the bouncing empty gravel truck, etc.

and the winner is (IMHO)...

The cell-phone SUV mom. Usually with kiddie seats and a DVD going, yakking away at a hand-held phone.

any other candidates I'm missing?
I think it is tie between your description above and the young female driver with cell phone and a car that is too powerful for them. (i.e. anything with more than 100 hp) Disclaimer: I have two daughters!

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A close second would be what I call "Bubbas". These are the benighted rednecks so indigenous to the area (Texas and the greater southwest in general) who drive pickups and have less intelligence than carpet fiber...
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The real most dangerous is the one that thinks they are the only ones with a right to be on the road and that everybody is in their way!
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I always am on the lookout for the teenage girl driver on the cellphone. (Actually, that seems redundant; IMO teenage girl drivers ARE ALWAYS ON the cellphone.) I take pre-emptive action on these clueless, brain-dead, inconsiderate little twerps, getting out of their way ASAP. (hmmmm... maybe I'll have some fun with the new horn once it's installed...

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... wear glasses that set their eyelashes on fire in the Florida sun, so they wear the Darth Vader Helmet Visor Sun glasses over their Coke Bottles ...
Dave, that "visual" is the funniest thing I've read in a month!

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The cell-phone SUV mom. Usually with kiddie seats and a DVD going, yakking away at a hand-held phone.

any other candidates I'm missing?
I won't argue that one is near the top but I think men on a cell phone are considerable worse, probably due to genetic design. Men were the hunter gatherers and focused on that single task, excluding procreation of course . Women handled just about everything else. I have had considerably more near misses from some guy who can't keep a vehicle in their lane on a strait highway while talking on a phone. A woman usually required three or four other distractions to lower their diving abilities to that level. Of course there are no absolutes but in my experience all but one of the vehicles energetically adorned with my size 13 boot print on their doors were driven by men.


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I have just discovered another one of these driving annoyances while in heavy traffic. Seems I had an unlucky streak a few weeks ago and came upon three different accident scenes. Once, while crawling along for several miles and finally getting to the front of four lanes funneling into two, the car just ahead of me slowed to an almost stop, put his cell phone close to his window and proceeded to take several pictures of the accident scene. There were now at least 15 to 20 car lengths between him and the car in front of him. Nowadays, I just long for the 'olden days' when people were just rubberneckers? I don't know if there is a name yet. How about photoneckers.

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I've tried and tried to avoid a stereotype of the most dangerous driver out there. I thought about the teenage speeder, the senior citizen eventual left turner with signal going, the 18-wheeler behind schedule, the saturday night drunk bar hopper, the rifle in the back window pickup speeder, the sleepy college girl, the overloaded landscape truck, the bouncing empty gravel truck, etc.

and the winner is (IMHO)...

The cell-phone SUV mom. Usually with kiddie seats and a DVD going, yakking away at a hand-held phone.

Any other candidates I'm missing?
Nope! You are right on target. Driving a vehicle twice as large as she needs and getting 10 MPG doing it. We're nothing more than a speed bump to her--which she never saw coming!

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." (Some really OLD friggin' White dude who couldn't have possibly known what he was talking about!) WARNING: Official HATE speech!
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We had one situation here in the midwest recently. A car full of spanish speaking folks in a minivan on ice. Turns out all illegals. All dead as the driver lost control and hit oncoming. Not a seat belt fastened in the group. Wonder how many miles of winter driving experience the driver enjoyed before killing himself and his companions? Perhaps this category could be called "no liscense to operate a motor vehicle, no winter driving experience, no English."
That's nothing, Rob! In KA, a few years back, we had a similar scenario. Illegal mom, no DL (of course), drives kids into the KA aqueduct near Littlerock. All DRT.

The good tax payers of KA generously gave her estate $500K! Yes, you read right--$500k! KalTrans was negligent for their failure to place proper barriers between the roadway and the aqueduct. Said negligence had been identified five years prior and never corrected.

Mom was not negligent for being illegally in the country! Mom wasn't negligent for driving W/O a license! Mom wasn't negligent for failing to keep her vehicle upon a roadway! KalTrans was negligent!

I could use that same logic for virtually every T/C that I've ever worked or heard about! It's not my fault because said public entity failed to.............

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." (Some really OLD friggin' White dude who couldn't have possibly known what he was talking about!) WARNING: Official HATE speech!
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The last guy we had like that in KA killed 10 people. I was waiting for the media to call for a waiting period on those evil assault vehicles!

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." (Some really OLD friggin' White dude who couldn't have possibly known what he was talking about!) WARNING: Official HATE speech!
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"any other candidates I'm missing?"


In my opinion, anyone sitting behind a wheel is a prime candidate. No matter how good a driver we are, or think we are, we all get lost in other worlds while driving our cages. Just too simplified a procedure for us to concentrate 100%. I believe I am a much better driver on my motorcycle than in my automobile simply because it takes much more concentration. I find myself much more aware of what's happening around me probably because I'm scared to death of people like me driving on the same roads as my bike.
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Let me see who have we missed ;

How about the girl changing clothes while flying down the freeway because she's late or the people reading books and or maps and talking on the cll phone at the same time. Don't ask me how they do it. Not long ago I had a guy almost rear-end my bike in rush hour traffic because he was doing a crossword puzzle while he was driving.

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my most dangerous driver: ME

if you get in a tangle with a car, regardless of who is at fault, YOU LOSE.

if you want to survive on a bike over the long run, you have to accept responsibility for horrendous driving all around you. the mindset has to be: they are all out to get me.

so your worst, most dangerous enemy is you. lose your focus or get careless and they will get ya, sooner or later.
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my most dangerous driver: ME

if you get in a tangle with a car, regardless of who is at fault, YOU LOSE.

if you want to survive on a bike over the long run, you have to accept responsibility for horrendous driving all around you. the mindset has to be: they are all out to get me.

so your worst, most dangerous enemy is you. lose your focus or get careless and they will get ya, sooner or later.
Yes, you've got the SO KA M/C riding formula down, I see!

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Yes, you've got the SO KA M/C riding formula down, I see!
uhhhmmmm ... don't know what that acronym means. but if there's a formula that helps riders survive, i'm all for it!

the reason i'm so sensitive: my son was in a pretty bad accident early december. multiple cracks in his pelvis and deep gouge in his ankle. a week in the hospital.

he was not at fault, and no doubt the women who pulled a u-turn fit some of the stereotypes.

didn't matter.
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The real most dangerous is the one that thinks they are the only ones with a right to be on the road and that everybody is in their way!
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I resemble that statement!

But yes, it is those blankity blankity mexicans; they have killed several our US citizens around here in the past few years. No DL, no insurance, no english, no nothing except causing problems.

Two of them rear-ended my wife at a red light a few years ago running about 40 miles an hours, they were drunk, illegal, couldn't speak OUR language and one of them tried to stagger away but was apprehended by some people. The other one was too injured to run. The good part was that my wife was not injured and both of the terds went to the hospital and then to jail. Cost our insurance company close to 7K to repair. The judge did make the perps pay our deductable.

There was another incident about a year ago where an illegal ran into a house, literally. She about killed the 90 something year old lady that was in her bedroom sleeping. They had to find the illegal mexican because she left the scene. And of course, no habla englace! Fortunately was sent back to her homeland.

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A good friend of mine was killed by a drunk driver. He was from Mexico. previous conviction for DUI, no license.

Wife and 2 kids were on the way to the Dells in Wisconsin middle of afternoon just bought a new Dodge Neon minding their own biz. He was decapitated. He wound up in his wife & kids lap.

The guy crosses the line and boom he's dead. He was way drunk not just 1 or 2 but several drinks. I do not remember what he blew but from what I recall I would have been sleeping soundly if I had the same.

He did not get life but he will be much much older when he gets out. Wisconsin is tougher than Illinois on this type of crime.

Was his judgement fair? I do not know. I know if he spoke English and had a wad of cash he would not spend much time in jail. This is not fair.

I figure if you drink and drive you should loose the license for 7 years. I do not care who you are. PERIOD.

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uhhhmmmm ... don't know what that acronym means. but if there's a formula that helps riders survive, i'm all for it!

the reason i'm so sensitive: my son was in a pretty bad accident early december. multiple cracks in his pelvis and deep gouge in his ankle. a week in the hospital.

he was not at fault, and no doubt the women who pulled a u-turn fit some of the stereotypes.

didn't matter.
SO=Southern KA=Kalifornia (land of socialism) M/C=motorcycle.

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I resemble that statement!

But yes, it is those blankity blankity mexicans; they have killed several our US citizens around here in the past few years. No DL, no insurance, no english, no nothing except causing problems.

Two of them rear-ended my wife at a red light a few years ago running about 40 miles an hours, they were drunk, illegal, couldn't speak OUR language and one of them tried to stagger away but was apprehended by some people. The other one was too injured to run. The good part was that my wife was not injured and both of the terds went to the hospital and then to jail. Cost our insurance company close to 7K to repair. The judge did make the perps pay our deductable.

There was another incident about a year ago where an illegal ran into a house, literally. She about killed the 90 something year old lady that was in her bedroom sleeping. They had to find the illegal mexican because she left the scene. And of course, no habla englace! Fortunately was sent back to her homeland.
I am not expressing an opinion on documented versus undocumented persons in the USA, and I am not framing my remarks from any political perspective, so please do not interpret the following any other way.

Reading your post, the question that jumps to the forefront is whether the actions be any less abhorible if the perpetrators were US citizens, or if they were from Italy, the UK, or any other nation besides Mexico? I fully agree that crimes they committed were serious and that they should pay the price for their actions, but that should be the case regardless of where they were from. That they were in the USA illegally would add charges against them in addition to the DUI, failure to maintain financial responsibility, no DL, and any other applicable offenses.

Impaired driving is a tragedy, regardless of who commits it, and it is a subject that hits close to home. I am happy to hear that your wife escaped such an incident without injury, and that those responsible had to face the consequences. Having lost one of my best friends, then having to ID him at the L.A. County Morgue and having to fly up to tell his parents of the wreck caused by an impaired driver, I can assure you that I have no tolerance for such behavior, regardless of the offender's nationality, immigration status, celebrity, or "connections" in the community.

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....the question that jumps to the forefront is whether the actions be any less abhorible if the perpetrators were US citizens, or if they were from Italy, the UK, or any other nation besides Mexico?....
Obviously no! It just further inflames the tragedy when a criminal (illegal), who should not even be here to begin with, commits another criminal act (driving w/o a DL), then nuts up and kills someone. I wouldn't even dream of demonstrating such callous disregard for life or property in Mexico, Italy, the UK, or anywhere else--much less sneak into their country illegally!

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....the question that jumps to the forefront is whether the actions be any less abhorible if the perpetrators were US citizens, or if they were from Italy, the UK, or any other nation besides Mexico?....
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Obviously no! It just further inflames the tragedy when a criminal (illegal) commits another criminal act (driving w/o a DL), nuts up and kills someone.
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....But yes, it is those blankity blankity mexicans; they have killed several of our US citizens around here in the past few years. No DL, no insurance, no english, no nothing except causing problems....
Where a killer is from is not relevant. Where his victim is from is not relevant. What is relevant is that we fail to secure the borders of this country (even post 9-11) and we fail to uphold the law of the land!

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A couple years ago, a Hispaninc male in a Farm truck killed a biker. He ran before anyone got there. not sure what happened to him. Pretty irrelevant - the biker is dead and the immigrant farm worker was most likely replaced by another. I don't mind the hispanics really. They do tend to drive drunk though. Kinda entertaining is that we have a houseful of them across the street and the kids were born here - tehy are citizens. They have as much a southern drawl as the rest of us.

As for other drivers I tend to look out for: Anyone with a handicapped placard hanging from the mirror while driving. Not discriminating against the handicapped, but my reasoning is that if they don;t think enough about driving to remove another obstruction from their field of vision, then they aren't too worried about how they drive.

Another is older folks in big ass Buicks. Buicks specifically. Other big cars I am wary of when piloted by older folks, but the worst offenders around here seem to be in Buicks. I try to watch their heads when I detect they may be a danger. If they are looking around or driving erratically, I try to give them plenty of room.

Another is old full size conversion vans.

Slow drivers in any of the above. Older vehicles in a state of disrepair.

Any vehicle with out of state tags (canadians included) - tourists are often lost and will do things at random. think about that next time you are being a tourist and are looking for something. The locals may not be expecting you to do something they know to be a bad idea. This has become a biggie for me since my crash witht he canadians.

Many of the things mentioned previously are important for me to be aware of, but the ones I listed are my personal "red flag" vehicles. And if any of those are combined, I try to get away from them, either by speeding up or slowing donw to let them do their thing and give me time to react safely. And this is whether I am in a car or on the bike.

there are plenty of other folks out there driving around who think the road is theirs to do as they please. I am trying to learn the patience to deal with them all.

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I always am on the lookout for the teenage girl driver on the cellphone. (Actually, that seems redundant; IMO teenage girl drivers ARE ALWAYS ON the cellphone.) I take pre-emptive action on these clueless, brain-dead, inconsiderate little twerps, getting out of their way ASAP.
Several years ago I was sitting at a stoplight on my motorcycle waiting to turn on to a 55 mph highway. My light turned green but for some reason I hesitated longer than usual before I proceeded. I looked to my right and saw a brain dead teenage cutie – talking on her cell phone – drive right through the red light. If I had gone when my light turned green I wouldn’t be sitting here typing this now.

I would also include drunk, illegal immigrants on my list. We just had one kill a young mother and her unborn baby. He was doing 75 mph in a 35 mph zone. This is the 4th or 5th episode that we have had in last two years.

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Dangerous...

Since this is primarily an LT forum my nomination for "most dangerous" is relative to me riding on the LT.

Aside from someone deliberately, actively and literally trying to kill me by some means (car, truck, gun..etc) the most dangerous thing on the road for me is........


a much quicker motorcycle on city streets

When I was on a city street that was very open on the LT in gently curving slopes putt-ing along at my usual 20 over. I was feeling confident, aware and in control. Doing my usual scan at what I believed was at adequate rate to protect Nancy and me from "danger". No one would ride or drive anything fast enough to get through my confirmed open space distance in the space of time it takes me to check again.

Whoosh!!!!.....a Sport Bike blows by me going at least double my speed. BIG time adrenalin rush. He had decided that it was safe for him to go that fast on that road at that time and for him maybe it was. For me it was a huge reminder that I have to increase the rate of review of my zones.

Was it dangerous....only to the extent that I didn't feel in control at that moment. Had an animal showed itself as a threat to enter the road I might have quickly dove the bike into what I KNEW was an open lane. Fear that a potential disaster could have occurred because I didn't anticipate that someone might go as fast as this guy was going. That was the most dangerous thing for me....my belief that I "knew" something.

Note: Now that I have a de facto Sport Bike, I understand how quickly that type of bike can travel. I have alway believed that whether in a car or on a bike, I try never to overtake another vehicle, Semi, car, or bike, so fast as to startle them. It's bad PR to scare them.


PS: I think that tinting on driver and front passenger windows are EXTREMELY anxiety inducing. When I can't see what the driver is doing and looking at it reduces the information I have to anticipate their actions. It is ILLEGAL to have the tinting across the country and yet LEO's, to my understanding, will not issue a citation for it unless they are pulling over the vehicle for another violation.


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Hey Tony, drunk driving is drunk driving! And yes, it was a little more abhorable that they were illegal, whether it be Italy or Canada or Mexico.


My half-brother was on the DUI Task Force in Chattanooga and I used to ride with him some; after the first and second drunk that he stopped it was no longer funny and it became very obvious that these idiots needed to be beaten, publically humiliated, fined harshly, and not allowed to drive for a year or two.


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Where a killer is from is not relevant. Where his victim is from is not relevant. What is relevant is that we fail to secure the borders of this country (even post 9-11) and we fail to uphold the law of the land!
Couldn't agree more. I like to see the people guarding our borders with rifles!

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Don't know what to credit this one to but driving on a four lane highway I pulled up along side an SUV while attempting to pass. The woman driving her Suburan looks right at me smiles the proceeds to pull into my lane running me off onto the shoulder. When I hit the horn she pulled back into her lane before driving me into the wall. She was not even on a cell phone and was alone in the SUV who knows what she was thinking. You need to keep you eyes open and expect the unexpected to happen.

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Don't know what to credit this one to but driving on a four lane highway I pulled up along side an SUV while attempting to pass. The woman driving her Suburan looks right at me smiles the proceeds to pull into my lane running me off onto the shoulder. When I hit the horn she pulled back into her lane before driving me into the wall. She was not even on a cell phone and was alone in the SUV who knows what she was thinking. You need to keep you eyes open and expect the unexpected to happen.
Rusty,

What you described has happened to me twice recently, a good looking gal in a beautiful Jaguar and a disaster gal in a rusted out POS GM something. Both times, the power of the GT came in real handy. I shot ahead of them into clean space. This type of lane drifter is the primary reason why I got the new HORN for the GT. Both of these women were lane drifting, on the phone, looked, DID NOT SEE. They had no sense of where they were in the lanes.

My dentist has a new stimulation system that is based on the fact that the mind can only process so many simultaneous inputs. He said the system does a great job reducing his patients' pain and discomfort. Some folks just have TOO MUCH activity in their car OTHER THAN driving. Their decisions to NOT focus on driving are OUR biggest challenge. They get bored driving, so they find other things to amuse their minds. They drift along, unaware of their failure to stay in their lanes, unaware of their danger to others.

At race schools, they strive to help drivers improve their ability to extend their vision ahead, behind, and to develop a sense of any potential for other racers to take away the space you need for your path. What could possibly keep you from getting to the best turn-in point, the optimum apex point, the safest braking point that is NOT on the painted surface where wheel lock might occur. Not many racers use cell phones. I did a lot of work with Newman Haas. I was on the spotter channel at MIS when Nigel's throttle stuck on WOT. Amazing how few words. He was real busy NOT talking. Nigel and Mario are two men who won both F1 and CART (now Champ Car) titles. Interesting how little they talked while racing.

I recently mentioned The Female Brain, a new book published in 2006. This book was written by a female doctor with superb credentials and a great sense of humor. She has done research into the brain structures (male VS female) and the relative sizes of different parts of the brain and how these structural differences relate to behaviorial differences. She says the average female uses over 22,000 words a day VS the male at less than 15% of that. My memory of the numbers might be off slightly, but you get the idea. They NEED to talk. Now, we have given ladies a device to combine their NEED to talk with driving. It's biology combined with a portable device for chat INSIDE a high speed moving object! Good luck out there! Right of way means nothing if you let them whack you!

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Don't know what to credit this one to but driving on a four lane highway I pulled up along side an SUV while attempting to pass. The woman driving her Suburan looks right at me smiles the proceeds to pull into my lane running me off onto the shoulder. When I hit the horn she pulled back into her lane before driving me into the wall. She was not even on a cell phone and was alone in the SUV who knows what she was thinking...
Who knows what (if anything, it would appear) some of these drivers are thinking when they're going down the road.

Maybe you reminded her of her motorcycle-riding ex-husband. Did she have any decals on the front door? (you know, like the WWII ace fighter pilots)

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Don't know what to credit this one to but driving on a four lane highway I pulled up along side an SUV while attempting to pass. The woman driving her Suburan looks right at me smiles the proceeds to pull into my lane running me off onto the shoulder. When I hit the horn she pulled back into her lane before driving me into the wall. She was not even on a cell phone and was alone in the SUV who knows what she was thinking. You need to keep you eyes open and expect the unexpected to happen.
That's called on attempted insurance job. She tried, but luckily you averted it!

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I couldn't agree more. I would also add to that those that think "slower traffic keep right" somehow translates into "left lane speed unlimited" and see it as their job to get a foot away at 75 to let you know.

Personally I would like to see tailgating laws agressively enforced as it's a major cause of some pretty severe (and traffic snarling) accidents. Here's a good article on the subject.

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I think that tinting on driver and front passenger windows are EXTREMELY anxiety inducing. When I can't see what the driver is doing and looking at it reduces the information I have to anticipate their actions. It is ILLEGAL to have the tinting across the country and yet LEO's, to my understanding, will not issue a citation for it unless they are pulling over the vehicle for another violation.


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Another disadvantage of illegal tint......

I'm one of those "do unto others drivers" so if I'm in a line of traffic and see someone trying to get out of a side street I'll usually roll off a bit and flash my lights to give them the go ahead. That is if they're looking at me. If I can't see their face I have no idea so I just keep going.
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Personally I would like to see tailgating laws agressively enforced as it's a major cause of some pretty severe (and traffic snarling) accidents.
Without a doubt ... tailgating is a major contributing factor to many accidents ... and at the very least causes anxiety to those being tailgated - especially those of us who choose to ride with just two wheels. It often makes me want to slow down, but I try to hold the speed steady ... rather than being "encouraged" to speed up to get away from the tailgater.

However, enforcement by leos in all but "unmarked" patrol vehicles or slick tops is difficult - if not impossible. Rarely have I been taligated when there is a light bar on top! Yes, even in a rural area like Montana we have tailgaters; is it the culture now or what? This is a great forum! Post #1 with just another $.02.
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They tried to pass a law against that here in Florida, Guvner Jeb vetoed it. He said, "it would punish drivers for doing something that wasn't illegal." Think about that...
Besides, the motorcade has the traffic moved out of the way for him!!!

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Without a doubt ... tailgating is a major contributing factor to many accidents ... and at the very least causes anxiety to those being tailgated - especially those of us who choose to ride with just two wheels. It often makes me want to slow down, but I try to hold the speed steady ... rather than being "encouraged" to speed up to get away from the tailgater.

However, enforcement by leos in all but "unmarked" patrol vehicles or slick tops is difficult - if not impossible. Rarely have I been taligated when there is a light bar on top! Yes, even in a rural area like Montana we have tailgaters; is it the culture now or what? This is a great forum! Post #1 with just another $.02.
Good to hear from Montana. Welcome.

Here in Ohio with lots of traffic the young females seem to be the worst tailgaters. One hand on their wheel and one on their cell phone riding 4' behind the guy in front of them. If I can't get thru traffic to get away from the little ladies, I just pull over and let them ride 4' behind somebody else at 80 MPH.

While in Germany recently, I shot this Smart. This should be the largest car allowed for females under 18 and cells while driving should be banned until they are 18. Good idea? Personally, I stive to avoid using my phone when I drive. I never use it while riding.
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I have two favorites (or not) - the contractor with a pickup full of crap and none of it tied down. I was on I-70 one night when a pickup passed with a large ladder in the bed and hanging off the tailgate. A couple miles down the road that same ladder was laying across both lanes and barely visable in the black of night. There was the pickup beside the road and the driver walking back to pick up the ladder. These folks dump all manner of motorcycle unfriendly stuff on the road when it wouldn't be that time consuming to tie it down. The second is the soccer mom in the family van who is already late taking her kids to some event and not focused on her driving. I saw one with a bumper sticker that said - "Get Out Of The Way, My Kid Has To Pee." She was driving like it too.

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Without a doubt ... tailgating is a major contributing factor to many accidents ... and at the very least causes anxiety to those being tailgated - especially those of us who choose to ride with just two wheels. It often makes me want to slow down, but I try to hold the speed steady ... rather than being "encouraged" to speed up to get away from the tailgater.
Whether in my car or on the bike I get over if I can. If the idiot is dangerous enough I'll even pull off and let them pass.

Little do some people know that when one is being tailgated the correct action is to lay back from the car ahead so you don't have to panick stop and have the asshat on your bumper crash into you. Unfortunately many self important "bumper huggers" take that as sign that you're playing with them which can turn into road rage. Around here they tailgate the cops with no unfavorable results. And the cops tailgate you with apparently nowhere to go. I don't blame the cops for not bothering to ticket tailgaters. Look what they did to the ones along US 301 that did try to enforce the law.

http://www.sptimes.com/News/041900/T...imit_to_.shtml

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/l...?storyid=32199

So I say, "God grant me the serenity........", do what I've gotta do to get them in front of me and enjoy the rest of my day.

Last edited by RS6654; Feb 14th, 2007 at 2:50 pm. Reason: spelling
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