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post #1 of 48 Old Jan 2nd, 2007, 10:47 pm Thread Starter
 
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Well, got caught and had my first ever speeding ticket today!!

I've always considered myself cautious and within the rules of safety when it came to keeping up with traffic but not today..Was entering the 215 Beltway to merge into go-t-work traffic about 8:15 in the morning. I merged ok and then sped up to get to the high speed lane to leave myself an out(to the left) in the busy traffic. Glanced in the mirror and was sort of viz restricted due to the sunrise. Noticed a truck with what looked like a roof rack and thought that he was closing fast (like all the usual phone-in-the-ear macho construction guys) so I goosed it a little to get ahead and give myself some cushion...Wrong!! Was an NHP trooper who I guess had me in his sights as he came up behind me..
Got me doing 75 in a 65 mph zone..Must have been my high viz lime yellow Olympia jacket I just bought to increase my viz in traffic..
Sigh!!! And, of course, it had to be on my LT..Can you imagine that!! LOL!!

Lesson learned but still hard to restrain the urge to let it loose at times..
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75 in a 65?! Dag! You really need to go back and edit that. Something a little more respectable like 86 in a 65. And don't forget the part where you could've out-ran the cop, but you just wasn't feeling it that day. Yea...that's it.

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I met a guy on the board here, "danbrew," who also lives in northeast Illinois and we met up for a ride one day. We went west on 20 out of the western suburbs of Chicago toward a town on the Mississippi river, Galena. It's an old mining town and also the one-time home of Ulysses S. Grant.

It really is a nice ride and has some scenic landscapes along the way. For most of the way 20 is a typical two-lane road, gentle curves, a few bumps trying to be hills, and a bridge or two. Plant this right in the middle of some corn and you've got 20.

Dan was to my left and slightly ahead of me. There were absolutely no cars on the road at all, we had it entirely to ourselves. At some point the road opened up to a divided four-lane highway. It was straight, flat, and wide open. Dan kind of looked back at me and somehow I knew just what he meant, we gunned it. A minute later I noticed Dan's radar detector light up like a Chrismas tree. We both slowed down immediately, bringing it down to a paltry 60-70.

We were both looking around but didn't see any cars. Then he appeared, a white, unmarked, cruiser coming up fast from behind. We pulled over, shut the bikes down, got our helmets off, licenses out, etc. The trooper took his time getting out of the cruiser but when he did it was priceless. Clint Eastwood himself couldn't have strutted any better!

As it turns out this was to our benefit. The trooper walked right past both of us and started looking at the bikes. He didn't even make eye contact with me. As he walked by he said "You guys are lucky I just bought one of these." Yeah, you heard that right! He then started talking about getting his new BMW about a week earlier. He had gone to a dealer in Iowa and then to Rockford. I don't remember what model he had except that it was a K bike but not an LT. At some point Dan, obviously trying to suck-up to the officer, said "We don't have any excuse, sir." The cop actually responded, "Yes you do, those things can't go slow."

The trooper explained that he wouldn't be allowed to write us a warning for the speed we were actually going so he brought it down a tad bit. I suppose a warning for 100 in a 55 would look a little suspicious to his supervisor.

Naturally we had to ask the trooper where he has and how he spotted us, we never saw him as we rode past. He explained that's because he wasn't behind us. He had passed us going the other direction and turned around and caught up to us. Now that would have been a fun ride!

We continued on to Galena and found a place for a burger and a drink. The sun was shining, the skies were clear, we had a nice day's ride and got a good story to tell.

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[...] Noticed a truck with what looked like a roof rack [...]
Ahhhh, the old truck with a roof rack trick. Gets 'em every time.

Must have been a slow day for him to write you you for ten over. . . especially merging onto the freeway, IMHO.

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I can not even believe that he gave you one for that.
Just the wrong place at the wrong time.
You will have to do it again to survive out there to get into the right position and lane to make your turn and your destination.

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[QUOTE=bmwusmc]Well, got caught and had my first ever speeding ticket today!!.................
Noticed a truck with what looked like a roof rack and thought that he was closing fast (like all the usual phone-in-the-ear macho construction guys) so I goosed it a little to get ahead and give myself some cushion...Wrong!! Was an NHP trooper who I guess had me in his sights as he QUOTE]
Man thatís a petty ticket, I'd fight that ticket. With all of the traffic around and him coming from the rear...did he pace you or radar you? You did not admit to anything, RIGHT? (if you did, forget it)

IMO, Go to court with your work clothes on so the judge observes that you are taking off valuable time at work to fight the ticket. The time and money wasted pays off in the long run on insurance and future pull over checks. I'm sure some of our officers on the board will chime in.

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10 over!

Im a cop in the NW suburbs of Chicago. In fact im a motorcop which means aside from my elite riding skills (tongue firmly planted in cheek), I write a lot of tickets. Traffic enforcement is usually the main function of motor cops, but I digress.

Ive been a cop for over 15 yrs, and I have never alone written a ticket for less than 13 over, and my normal standard is 15 over. 10 over I would not have even bothered to stop you for speeding alone. Im suprised you were given a ticket for that speed, but then again cops are people too and culturally things here in the midwest are way different that they are out west in Nevada. The contact the rider on his way to Galena, IL is more of what I like to think typical of LEO's in out area. Not taking it personal, seeing the bigger picture, and being a human being once in a while.

Unless of course the NHP cop was on a zero tolerance type of special assignment. We do get a lot of requests from the USDOT and the ILDOT and they use our enforcement figures in roadway design(speed limits, traffic control devices etc...) Otherwise I woulda given you a warning.

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Well, got caught and had my first ever speeding ticket today!!

I've always considered myself cautious and within the rules of safety when it came to keeping up with traffic but not today..Was entering the 215 Beltway to merge into go-t-work traffic about 8:15 in the morning. I merged ok and then sped up to get to the high speed lane to leave myself an out(to the left) in the busy traffic. Glanced in the mirror and was sort of viz restricted due to the sunrise. Noticed a truck with what looked like a roof rack and thought that he was closing fast (like all the usual phone-in-the-ear macho construction guys) so I goosed it a little to get ahead and give myself some cushion...Wrong!! Was an NHP trooper who I guess had me in his sights as he came up behind me..
Got me doing 75 in a 65 mph zone..Must have been my high viz lime yellow Olympia jacket I just bought to increase my viz in traffic..
Sigh!!! And, of course, it had to be on my LT..Can you imagine that!! LOL!!

Lesson learned but still hard to restrain the urge to let it loose at times..
I'm surprised he wrote that up. He must be behind quota. I always try to support the cops, but that ticket is telling me he was having a bad day. As others suggest, go to the court and you probably will benefit. Here in OH, if he does not show for court you walk, no blood. You do not need an attorney, just show up early on the right day. I know. Owning an M3 for six years, I have some experience on this issue in four states!

I have been very lucky on 2 wheels....so far......

The German cops pulled me over in Frankfurt when I cut across some painted lines on the road. Driving a rental, he got a kick out of my bad German. When I told him what I rode at home he loved it. He rides an R, very well. He said follow me and he took us thru town to the best ramp for our ride to Koblenz. He even pulled wheelies for us. Great guy with a good sense of humor. He reduced my fine to the minimum of 35 Euro, which I naturally expensed!!.

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Thx for the comments..I think he was gunning for a m/c that morn..He just asked me one question - where was I going so fast?..I told him I was just trying to merge into the traffic flow(which I was as I had just entered from the on ramp)..He then asked for license and registr and filled out the ticket..I never admitted to anything..Just bit my tonque and took it..And a few other cars had just passed me as I was changing lanes..(Oh, and I never cut anyone off as that is one thing that really torques me when I see other m/c's cutting off motorists when changing lanes).
Aahh, well, so it goes when trying to keep the LT impulses under control..
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I'm surprised he wrote that up. He must be behind quota. I always try to support the cops, but that ticket is telling me he was having a bad day. As others suggest, go to the court and you probably will benefit. Here in OH, if he does not show for court you walk, no blood. You do not need an attorney, just show up early on the right day. I know. Owning an M3 for six years, I have some experience on this issue in four states!
With all due respect, your generalizations seem to fall a bit short. Quota? Hah! Quotas are generally illegal. Besides, most officers have no quota, they get to write as many as they want. Seriously, I see nothing that qualifies a judgment of whether the officer was having a good day or a bad day. While I am not the only LEO who chimed in to say that I would not ordinarily have written a ticket for ten over, there may be other reasons why the citation was issued. Some of these reasons were outlined in this thread, such as STEP or Zero-Tolerance enforcement campaigns. The truth is, I don't know either; I wasn't there and I don't know the officer. Perhaps he was having a bad day, but I can't say.

Most, if not all, states are like Ohio in that if the State's witness (the officer) is not in court, the prosecution has no witness and the case is either dismissed (assuming the defendant shows up) or the prosecutor requests a reset. I can't speak for all departments, or even any given "x" number of departments, but I can tell you that in departments that I am familiar with, an officer may be subject to disciplinary action for missing a court date unless there is good cause. Again, the prosecutor often requests a reset in such cases (at least around here).

I am not an attorney, but I feel safe in believing that your advice against needing an attorney may fall short. My experience has always been to expect the officer to show or the state to request a reset for cause. In other words, if you show up for court, and the case goes to trial, an attorney could be helpful. I haven't seen many self-represented defendants get out of a ticket, while many good tickets have gone to the wayside because an attorney was involved.

You say you always try to support the police. I don't know you -- and perhaps you are a supporter -- but it seems more like a fair weather support if your support is so easily shaken by sketchy information. Then again, that's just my opinion, and I could be wrong (nod to Dennis Miller).

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In fact im a motorcop which means aside from my elite riding skills (tongue firmly planted in cheek), I write a lot of tickets.
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I have yet to ride with a motor cop in the twisties so I can't comment. But if I need someone to ride in a parking lot or a parade...I know who to call.
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I have yet to ride with a motor cop in the twisties so I can't comment. But if I need someone to ride in a parking lot or a parade...I know who to call.
Thats a good one, in fact one of my persistent questions to my instructor during my long and PAINFUL training (you fall a lot, at parking lot speeds, but ur still fallin off the bike, of course as a reward for falling, you get to pick up your 700+ pound HD each and every time, which for me = a lot of times by mid week Tommy was a sore all over) was How does all of these neat-o parade tricks translate to the street? The insructor just smiled and said doing it slow is harder than doing it fast.

8 years later Im at the dragon with three motor cops and three other hard core sportbikers that all have been to racing schools and the like. The sportbike guys were very impressed, after they caught up to us, with the police motor officer training. Of course we did exceed ten over the speed limit more than a few times, good thing Tennessee or NC's finest wasnt around. If so I would've respected the officer's decision if he wrote me, paid the fine, and considered it an extra expense for my vacation.

Of course when I got back I would have many forms to fill out to inform my superiors that I received a ticket, they would/could suspend me, which of course gets the union involved, and the requsite 6 months of political backlash at work. On second thought I probably would ask for a courtesy, even though I probably wouldnt get it

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Thats a good one, in fact one of my persistent questions to my instructor during my long and PAINFUL training (you fall a lot, at parking lot speeds, but ur still fallin off the bike, of course as a reward for falling, you get to pick up your 700+ pound HD each and every time, which for me = a lot of times by mid week Tommy was a sore all over) was How does all of these neat-o parade tricks translate to the street? The insructor just smiled and said doing it slow is harder than doing it fast.

8 years later Im at the dragon with three motor cops and three other hard core sportbikers that all have been to racing schools and the like. The sportbike guys were very impressed, after they caught up to us, with the police motor officer training. Of course we did exceed ten over the speed limit more than a few times, good thing Tennessee or NC's finest wasnt around. If so I would've respected the officer's decision if he wrote me, paid the fine, and considered it an extra expense for my vacation.

Of course when I got back I would have many forms to fill out to inform my superiors that I received a ticket, they would/could suspend me, which of course gets the union involved, and the requsite 6 months of political backlash at work. On second thought I probably would ask for a courtesy, even though I probably wouldnt get it

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..He just asked me one question - where was I going so fast?..
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This is the story of the only time I talked my self out of a ticket.

I was working on a Saturday that also happened to be the day of my 12th wedding Anniversary and we were planning to go out to dinner and a movie.
Was doing a cut over that ran a little long and I did not leave the customers until 5:15 and we have dinner reservations for a very nice place at 6 and I am 50 miles from home and dirty and need to get cleaned up. So I call the wife and tell her to get gussied up and go to the restaurant have a glass of wine or two and I will met her there after stopping at home and cleaning up changing at 6:30/7. She is not happy but agrees.

I am going 58 in a 35 when I get pulled over. Officer walks up and ask "do you know how fast you were going ?"
I kindly reply "yea about 60, but I have a good reason".

He gets that angry cop look on his face as he is resting one hand on the gun and one on the baton. He said "what would be your reason for going almost double the speed limit ?"

I reply "My life is in danger"
He says 'WHAT how is your life in danger ?"

I reply "Yea my life is in danger" I explained the above to him and followed it up with "and If I do not get to that restaurant soon my wife is going to KILL me!!'

He starts laughing calls in my license and cuts me lose and told me to take it easy.

May not have hurt that it was an officer from my town and it was in my town.
He was still chuckling and shaking his head when I took off.

I made it at 7:20 to the restaurant and she was still mad

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That's pretty good, and it reminds me of a stop from back when I worked on the streets in the traffic division (the good old days, I imagine).

Violator was doing 70 in a 45. No traffic except for his vehicle, wide open area, brand new six lane divided, clear sky, perfect day.

As was my habit, I asked if there was some emergency or circumstance that would explain the excessive speed. The guy looked me dead in the eye and he said "No, sir, no good reason at all, except it is such a beautiful day, no one else on the road, and my head too far up my a&& to notice the speed limit signs or my speedometer."

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This is the story of the only time I talked my self out of a ticket.

I was working on a Saturday that also happened to be the day of my 12th wedding Anniversary and we were planning to go out to dinner and a movie.
Was doing a cut over that ran a little long and I did not leave the customers until 5:15 and we have dinner reservations for a very nice place at 6 and I am 50 miles from home and dirty and need to get cleaned up. So I call the wife and tell her to get gussied up and go to the restaurant have a glass of wine or two and I will met her there after stopping at home and cleaning up changing at 6:30/7. She is not happy but agrees.

I am going 58 in a 35 when I get pulled over. Officer walks up and ask "do you know how fast you were going ?"
I kindly reply "yea about 60, but I have a good reason".

He gets that angry cop look on his face as he is resting one hand on the gun and one on the baton. He said "what would be your reason for going almost double the speed limit ?"

I reply "My life is in danger"
He says 'WHAT how is your life in danger ?"

I reply "Yea my life is in danger" I explained the above to him and followed it up with "and If I do not get to that restaurant soon my wife is going to KILL me!!'

He starts laughing calls in my license and cuts me lose and told me to take it easy.

May not have hurt that it was an officer from my town and it was in my town.
He was still chuckling and shaking his head when I took off.

I made it at 7:20 to the restaurant and she was still mad

She did not kill me but she beat me up a little later that night but thats a story for another forum.

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... it happens to most of us. Consider it dues to support local law enfarcement.

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At some point Dan, obviously trying to suck-up to the officer, said "We don't have any excuse, sir." The cop actually responded, "Yes you do, those things can't go slow."

That's right, Pete! Never try and suck up to an officer.

Great story!

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Unless of course the NHP cop was on a zero tolerance type of special assignment.

I think it's important that we use good judgement no matter what type of assignment we're on.

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Quota? Hah! Quotas are generally illegal. Besides, most officers have no quota....

Hey Tony,

I gave up years ago trying to explain that "quotas" are illegal and that officers DO NOT have any financial interest in giving citations. It's really simple, but......

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Quota? Hah! Quotas are generally illegal. Besides, most officers have no quota....

Hey Tony,

I gave up years ago trying to explain that "quotas" are illegal and that officers DO NOT have any financial interest in giving citations. It's really simple, but......
Indeed, Jay. IF ONLY we would have been on some sort of commission or bonus structure, I would have stayed in traffic division instead of promoting out!

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I've been 'nailed' a number of times for speed on a number of bikes (but not the LT) but so far only warnings. It has lots to do with age and 23 years as a cop (in a former life.) When I remove my helmet, they realize that its not a kid on a sport bike. The ATGATT attitude helps as well. It give the signal that we are serious riders, not SQUIDS. I have yet to ask for 'professional courtesy' and don't think I would. I know that one of these days I'll get a 'pay ticket' and I'll just pay it (or take an MSF class, I'm overdue anyway.)

My best was in Colorado, south of Franktown on Hiway 83 at about 7:30 on a cool fall morning. My buddy on his ST1100 was chasing me on my FJ1100 at about 115mph when I noticed a vehicle that was not fading but not gaining. I backed off and he caught up: a DARE deputy for Elbert County. When he calmed down, we apologized for our speed and we went on our way with a verbal. I did get stopped in Colorado last summer for 9 over but just a verbal. Those dont hurt at all.

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[. . .] The ATGATT attitude helps as well. It give the signal that we are serious riders, not SQUIDS. [. . .]
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With all due respect, your generalizations seem to fall a bit short. Quota? Hah! Quotas are generally illegal. Besides, most officers have no quota, they get to write as many as they want. .....
You say you always try to support the police. I don't know you -- and perhaps you are a supporter -- but it seems more like a fair weather support if your support is so easily shaken by sketchy information. Then again, that's just my opinion, and I could be wrong (nod to Dennis Miller).
We tested new experimental brake materials with Ed Rose at CHP for years. CHP lost a great guy when Ed retired. The annual event at Pomona Speedway was always on our plan, lap after lap with many LEOS doing the driving. We tested new HP rotors and pads. We also supported the annual MI testing. We applied a lot of what we learned on race cars to the LEO cruisers. We helped improve the stopping power on both cages and 2-wheeled varieties. Worked with RCMP, IL State, and many others helping them with brake testing and improving driver training. Sent many LEOS as our guests to Bondurant and other race schools to enhance their skills [OTR in many cases to keep them clean of their "policy"]. As the VP I had control of X professional race schools per year and I made sure LEOS got many of the slots. We focused on training the trainers, if you get my drift. We later won many of the state brake bids for many of the police departments, USA and Canada. Good fun working with the LEOS and helping them learn to survive pursuits by better driving and better use of the brakes. Those old Crown Vics had some real crap brakes. The trucks in many cases are REALLY bad if you try to run after the "offenders." In addition to trying to help LEOS with safer stopping and better driving skills, we joined NAFA [North American Fleet Assn.], LEG [Law Enforcement Group]. We attended all their sessions and tried to help the LEOS face to face.

As far as the ticket strategy for resolution after citation for our friend, I got 4 of 5 gone with my strategy. Maybe I was just lucky. I still think a ticket for 10 over while a guy is blending into traffic on two wheels is not good use of the tax payers money.

Working extensively in Europe, the data there support my personal feelings that most humans can safely handle speeds higher than most USA posted speed limits. As the song says, "I can't drive 55." But, I digress..........

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Rob,

My comments about support were not directed towards your technical/training/work-related support of LEOs, which I truly appreciate. What I took exception to was the blanket generalization that the officer must have been having a bad day. There were many possible and reasonable factors that justified the citation in the mind of the officer, some of which he had no say over. I would like to think that there was a good reason for it, but maybe there wasn't. We may never know.

I don't disagree that writing for ten over, especially when merging into traffic, seems odd. I don't recall any LEOs saying that they typically write, or even stop, for ten over. I'll go a step further and say that if the officer wrote it as an "attitude ticket" due to any perceived attitude on the part of the violator, that the officer may be a candidate for a self-check of his ethics.

As regards your strategy, four out of five is pretty darned good. Doesn't often happen like that here in North Texas, but it has worked for you and I have no problem with it. I still would not advise people to follow that approach, but that's why Baskin-Robbins has 31 flavors, as my dad used to day.

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15+ years in law enforcement, 7 of those in the Criminial Investigation Bureau. I have a long list of men and 1 women Ive put in prison, most were during my time investigating sex crimes, mainly pedophiles victimizing kids. In that time I became one of the best at obtaining written statements (confessions) from these "special" types of criminals. Yet the public really is obsessed with traffic tickets.

Either we write too many or not enough,"write the other guy speeding down my street".

Im not neccessarily complaining about this thread as much as making an observation. Nothing seems to generate more responses (including from me) than this issue.

In the many forums I belong to concerning riding, traffic tickets are the hottest issue discussed. A close second is when the safety nazi's chime in on the minimum amount of riding appearel required to ride (that should start a new slew of responses) :-)

Anyway MB another way to look at it is if this is the only contact I ever have with a cop then God, Allah, Buddah (insert diety here) is smiling on me :-)!

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First. let me say thanks for you service to your community.

Every ticket I've ever gotten, albeit few, I've deserved. I've never mouthed off to or berated the officer for what he's doing. Never will. I broke the law, he's doing his job.

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Indeed, Jay. IF ONLY we would have been on some sort of commission or bonus structure, I would have stayed in traffic division instead of promoting out!
Yes, no doubt! LOL.

Also, why is it that if you do 10 traffic stops per shift (my norm) and give out 10 warnings, your supervisor thinks that 10 chicken shit citations would have been better?! Mmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Oh well--I guess if I had wanted to be liked (by supervision) I would have been A fireman!!

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Indeed, Jay. IF ONLY we would have been on some sort of commission or bonus structure, I would have stayed in traffic division instead of promoting out!
In the little speedtrap town down the road they do have a sort of "comission". Because of the number of citations written by their 30+ police officers (pop. of town around 300-400) they have no "city tax" what so ever, no property tax...nada.
The Gov. of GA sent the St. Police to this little town to tell them to stay off of I95 and to confiscate their radar guns...twice.
And don't even think of going through Ludowici, Ga with out of state plates. The stories about the corrupt southern police are no myths.
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In the little speedtrap town down the road they do have a sort of "comission". Because of the number of citations written by their 30+ police officers (pop. of town around 300-400) they have no "city tax" what so ever, no property tax...nada.
The Gov. of GA sent the St. Police to this little town to tell them to stay off of I95 and to confiscate their radar guns...twice.
And don't even think of going through Ludowici, Ga with out of state plates. The stories about the corrupt southern police are no myths.
I've got a better one than that. There's a leetle town in North Texas called Mustang. Seeing's how the whole county was dry, they voted themselves wet. The feller that owned the liquor store also opened a titty bar. The town had no taxes, nor did they have to pay for their water. The town lived off the taxes of the only businesses in town: the liquor store and titty bar. Well, in awhile, the good Baptist's of the area decided to take exception and shut the liquor store and bar down.

A few months later, the town couldn't pay for anything, their water is going into foreclosure and they're wondering what to do.

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You could take "by supervision" out of that and it would prolly still be true. But, I digress . . .

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The only ticket I ever got, I deserved. I said "Thank you officer" and called his supervisor a couple of days later to let him know what a professional job his man was doing.

(Deputy was on a BMW motorcycle. After he wrote me the ticket, we talked about bikes for about 10-15 mins or so.)
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Final thoughts:

1. Should have taken my helmet off.
2. I'm still feeling the effects of getting the ticket which has made me super cautious. Now I find myself in the midst of cagers passing me left and right. Guess I'll just have to revert to my survival mode again and be extra careful when exceeding the limit as I establish a safety cushion around me.
3. I was ATGATT and always am when riding no matter the distance or temperature.
4. I do believe in enforcing traffic regulations but here in NV it seems to be a hit or miss thing and I got hit. High speed red light runners here are notorious and are a main source of fatal accidents(night or day) but I hardly ever see anyone pulled over for the violation..

OK..all that is off my chest and I'll still be riding for as long as my bones allow it as I go about making up for lost time over the years.. Nothing beats a good ride to clear the mind and settle the soul.. It's my therapy to
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