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Another left turner- accident

I wanted to give everyone another reminder to be careful!! I don't think you can have enough reminders.

My uncle was involved in an accident yesterday afternoon as he was driving his Honda Valkyrie Interstate bike through an intersection. It is the "so common" instance of a cage turning left on an unprotected green right in front of an oncoming motorcycle.

My uncle said he thought he had made eye contact with the person and that the person had stopped. Thank God he was wearing a helmet and fortunately it was not at a high rate of speed. I saw the helmet last night (beanie style) at the ER and had he not had it on, I am certain he would have sustained serious head injury. He has a broken wrist, broken ankle,some cuts and I am sure some bruising now.

BE CAREFUL OUT THERE OF THE FREAKIN "NO LOOKING" CAGERS!!!!!! They seem to be everywhere.

I just learned that the driver of the car was a 17 year old girl with no license or insurance and the passenger was her mother. They took the girl to jail after the accident. Typical.

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I just learned that the driver of the car was a 17 year old girl with no license or insurance and the passenger was her mother. They took the girl to jail after the accident. Typical.

There you have it! But, this was no accident. This mother-daughter disaster team are playing russian rillet with peoples lives. I would have taken mom to jail also!

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." (Some really OLD friggin' White dude who couldn't have possibly known what he was talking about!) WARNING: Official HATE speech!
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I wanted to give everyone another reminder to be careful!! I don't think you can have enough reminders.

My uncle was involved in an accident yesterday afternoon as he was driving his Honda Valkyrie Interstate bike through an intersection. It is the "so common" instance of a cage turning left on an unprotected green right in front of an oncoming motorcycle.

My uncle said he thought he had made eye contact with the person and that the person had stopped. Thank God he was wearing a helmet and fortunately it was not at a high rate of speed. I saw the helmet last night (beanie style) at the ER and had he not had it on, I am certain he would have sustained serious head injury. He has a broken wrist, broken ankle,some cuts and I am sure some bruising now.

BE CAREFUL OUT THERE OF THE FREAKIN "NO LOOKING" CAGERS!!!!!! They seem to be everywhere.

I just learned that the driver of the car was a 17 year old girl with no license or insurance and the passenger was her mother. They took the girl to jail after the accident. Typical.

James
Send him my wishes for a speedy recovery. A cage zombie hit me a week ago. I've concluded we often mistake eye contact with their blank expressions while they drone from one place to the next. "No looking" cagers ARE EVERYWHERE!

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Send him my wishes for a speedy recovery. A cage zombie hit me a week ago. I've concluded we often mistake eye contact with their blank expressions while they drone from one place to the next. "No looking" cagers ARE EVERYWHERE!
Thanks John, will do. I hope you are recovering well from your accident. When I read your report, I couldn't believe it. Still can't. I guess that motorcycle wasn't meant to be for long. Have fun on picking out a new one. I am assuming from your recent posts you are going to be able to get a new one.

Jay, I agree 100%. The "Mom", and I use Mom very loosely, is just as guilty and stupid as the daughter in my book.

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I do not know what will come of this accident with regards to criminal/financial liability, but if someone knows a Personal Injury Attorney in the D/FW metroplex who has handled cases of this nature, please PM me with that information.

Like I said, I do not know what will result from a legal standpoint and want to have options available should the need arise.

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i don't look to see if other drivers are looking me in the eye. i look to see if they are stopped and whether i can make it if they are not stopped. i always try to be ready to take evasive maneuvers if anything changes from what appearances were. it's that and a whole lot more plus luck and lots of luck. don't be complacent. i ride nearly every day and every day riding is every day practice. but all of this doesn't mean a thing. i could still get smoked in the blink of an eye. all of that said, be careful, good luck, keep it between the ditches, rubber side down, and shiny side up. i hope you uncle makes a full recovery and rides for many many more years. there are a couple of other things that will help: a headlight modulator, front side lights that are bright(mine are so bright that i get flashed in the day time), brake light modulator that flashes continuously, and a higher brake light(drivers' eye height), and keep the brake on while stopped so, that the brake light or an auxiliary flashes. be safe.

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....BE CAREFUL OUT THERE OF THE FREAKIN "NO LOOKING" CAGERS!!!!!! They seem to be everywhere.

I just learned that the driver of the car was a 17 year old girl with no license or insurance and the passenger was her mother. They took the girl to jail after the accident. Typical.

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From a MADD and collision investigators' standpoint, I think we should stop referring the these collisions as "accidents."

The M-W dictionary definition of an accident: 1 a : an unforeseen and unplanned event or circumstance b : lack of intention or necessity : CHANCE

When someone drives a vehicle without a license (or on a suspended license), and hits someone else, there is nothing unplanned, unforeseen or unintentional about it! Unless you live in an area where you are the only vehicle on the road, the consequences of driving without a license are a certainty.

There are multiple regular posters on this site. I hope we all can start using "collision" to refer to these type of events.

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." (Some really OLD friggin' White dude who couldn't have possibly known what he was talking about!) WARNING: Official HATE speech!
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....Jay, I agree 100%. The "Mom", and I use Mom very loosely, is just as guilty and stupid as the daughter in my book.
Actually James, I hold mom more responsible then the daughter. Yes, daughter is certainly old enough to know better. But, in the eyes of the law, daughter is still a juvenile, and mom is responsible for her.

Shame on mom for allowing such reckless behavior of her own daughter!

When you secure that PI lawyer, guess who he's going to go after?

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Up the ante... Let's call it attempted murder and assualt with a deadly weapon



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I hope we all can start using "collision" to refer to these type of events.
I can see how you could even use collision in the event of an unwanted pregnancy



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I can see how you could even use collision in the event of an unwanted pregnancy
Oh my! Genius, Grif, complete genius!

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Thanks for the support and advice guys.

OMurphy, when he gets back on his bike (and I believe he is), I will be strongly advising him of the headlight modulator and other lighting products you had mentioned. Very good stuff. Thank you.

I know that on my LT I have the PIAA auxiliary lights which are very bright as well as the topcase rack light. I am a big believer in the lights. I am not sure if his bike had the additional two lights besides the front headlight. I am going to be checking just to know. My next upgrade will be installing HID.

The wife and I are off to the Big Texas Toy Run this morning. Looking forward to it.

Ride safe everybody,

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I'm sorry to hear of your uncle's accident. Hopefully he will heal quickly. Did the 17 year old driver possibly have a learners permit? I know here in Georgia a driver with their learners permit does not have insurance but it is covered under their parents policy. Hopefully this might be the case, otherwise what was that Mother thinking letting her daughter drive.

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WAS the mother thinking? I don't think so.
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I'm sorry to hear of your uncle's accident. Hopefully he will heal quickly. Did the 17 year old driver possibly have a learners permit? I know here in Georgia a driver with their learners permit does not have insurance but it is covered under their parents policy. Hopefully this might be the case, otherwise what was that Mother thinking letting her daughter drive.

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Glenn, I wish it were the case with the parents having insurance but I do know now that the Mother received two citations, and one of those was for no insurance on the vehicle. Not sure what the other citation was.

I appreciate the words of support.

I just visited my uncle today after the Toy Run and he seems to be a little better, but of course now feeling more bumps and bruises than right after the accident.

Unfortunately, their are too many people in this world with no consideration at all about anyone else. The mother and daughter are among those many.

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I am just amazed they took the 17 yr old to jail. Around here it seems to be year round open season on bikes. Myrtle Beach even had a police officer kill a couple on a bike stopped at a light. No charges. I am sure a civil case took place though.

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Send him my wishes for a speedy recovery. A cage zombie hit me a week ago. I've concluded we often mistake eye contact with their blank expressions while they drone from one place to the next. "No looking" cagers ARE EVERYWHERE!
I'm glad I took the Missouri Safety Course when I began riding motorcycles about 3 years ago.

One thing I really remember them teaching us was that even though the cage driver was looking right at us didn't mean they SEE you. So, we must BE READY at every intersection.

I usually slow down enough so I know I can dodge them if they do pull out. Stopping is another story in itself. Even when going 18 MPH, stopping is next to impossible. However, this LT I'm riding sure has 10 times the braking ability that I had on the HD roadglide.

Hope Uncle heals up quick and gets back on the road.

just my .02 cents.

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