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You may have read my post about the new GS accident last Saturday. The only visible sign is a sling because of a broken collarbone. Well, I started telling acquaintances and strangers the truth. After about thirty stupid or ignorant remarks about motorcycles, I decided to try alternate stories. Here's a few summarized, along with the typical replies (note: it always starts with "What happened to you?"). I put the typical motorcycle reply last to illustrate the clear bias against motorcyclists:


"I was broad sided in an auto accident." ... "Uh, sorry. Get well soon."



"I was in a motor vehicle accident." ... "Uh, what happened?" "A car ran a stop sign and lurched out in front of me." ... "Too bad."



"I was riding my motorcycle when a car ran a stop sign and lurched out in front of me."

... "Gosh, motorcycles are dangerous!"

... "Are you going to give it up?"

... "You have kids?" Yes." "You shouldn't ride motorcycles."

... "You were lucky this time, are you going give it up?"

... "You are lucky." "I'm not lucky, my skill and good judgment to wear the good apparel is what mostly saved me." "You ought to give it up."



Conclusion: I think people constantly wonder whether the events in other peoples lives could happen to them. The reaction to "I was broad sided" gets the minimal response because like cancer, it might be contagious. It's important to run away and dismiss the possibility it could happen to them. At least that's why I think I get the quick 'so sorry' before they exit ASAP. Whereas, the motorcyclist should be lectured for several reasons, including the reassurance that they couldn't possibly get hurt or killed today because they're not stupid enough to ride. And, there's the added benefit of feeling superior.

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Every time someone tells me they've been in a car accident, I always use it as an opportunity to tell them how dangerous it is to drive a cage!


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That sounds about right, JG.. you're going to be a better rider once you get back in the saddle... ride on....

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Lost track of how many times I have tripped and fallen, but I am still walking (not much running anymore).
Besides everyone knows the most dangerous activity going is stepping in and out of the bathtub.

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Getting in and out of the bathtub is very dangerous also. That's why I only take a shower once a month--wether I need it or not!

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I agree about how people think when they find out you've been in m/c crash. I got to where I asked them if they would stop driving a car if they had same injury as I did. Folks just don;t think about it. They assume the motorcycle is the danger.

NASCAR champ Jimmie Johnson broke his left wrist falling off the tOP of a golf cart. I broke my left wrist in a MC crash. People get the same injury as I did all the time. I have had so many people tell me about breaking their wrist in so many other ways. Did they stop doing the activity they were doing at the time? No. Hopefully Jimmie Johnson has learned from his stupidity.

I learned from my crash.

Best thing to do is think about the questions and come upi with reasonable responses when folks ask if you;re going to ride again. I like to try to enlighten folks that motorcycles aren't some kind of dangerous thrillseeking activity, that it is as much a part of my life as the car or truck.

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...motorcycles aren't some kind of dangerous thrillseeking activity
Guess I'll sell the GT and go back to playing with sharp objects again.
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A few monts ago, a woman on a bass fishing board I post on, made a post in the Lounge (general chat) saying she was interested in buying a motorcycle and asked if anyone had any experience with the particular bike she was thinking about. (A Yamaha 650 Cruiser.) Now this woman is not an 18 year old kid. She is a police detective, second higest in her dept. She has been shot at and shot at people. At some point in her career, I would think it was reasonable to figure that she had worked traffic and seen her share of both automobile and motorcycle accidents. She didn't ask for advice as to IF she should ride a motorcycle, she asked if anyone had any experience with this particular type of bike.

After reading a half dozen or so posts that ranged from "NO DON'T DO IT!" to "WE WON'T LET YOU" and "I knew a guy, who knows a guy, who's mother's hairdresser's, cousin got killed on a motorcycle, I had to post to ask those who felt they had to tell every horror story they had ever heard about someone on a motorcyle did that with other things too. How about automobiles? Flying? Eating hot dogs? Or even bass fishing. Frankly I know more people who have been in boating accidents, than I do motorcyle accidents. That doesn't count drownings.

The thread then turned to one of telling me how much they "care" for us and don't want us to get hurt, and how crazy we are to ride motorcycles. I was told my post was "harsh." Running a bass boat 70 mph in rough water is safe, even fun. Riding a motorcycle is not.
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Interesting comparison, CajunBass.. Having run airboats and bass boats my fair share growing up in St. Mary Parish, I can tell you, I like MC best. And they are far safer. Of course I've only ridden 40 years without serious incident.. yet I've had several "close calls" and even lost more friends on the water than I did on the road.

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Next time someone asks you about the sling, tell them it was a masturbation accident.
See if theu tell you how dangerous that is
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Next time someone asks you about the sling, tell them it was a masturbation accident.
See if theu tell you how dangerous that is
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Momma said that would make me go BLIND!!!
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Motersickles is dangerous...


Ok, this is what I get for trying the internet dating thing.

On the site I chose, I posted four pictures. TWO actually have a motorcycle in the picture with me. A THIRD is me in riding gear.

MmmmK? that's 75% of my pics moto related.

I get the following email... from a woman who INITIATED CONTACT and spent a couple of days corresponding.


>> I want to be honest and confess that I don't like motorcycles and don't want to ride on one. Is that a problem? I'm sorry if it is, I've known a few people who were seriously hurt and one that died. Are they a big part of your life? <<



My response,

I want to be honest and confess that I don't like CARS and don't want to ride in one. Is that a problem? I'm sorry if it is, I've known a few people who were seriously hurt and one that died. Are they a big part of your life?



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Motersickles is dangerous...


Ok, this is what I get for trying the internet dating thing.

On the site I chose, I posted four pictures. TWO actually have a motorcycle in the picture with me. A THIRD is me in riding gear.

MmmmK? that's 75% of my pics moto related.

I get the following email... from a woman who INITIATED CONTACT and spent a couple of days corresponding.


>> I want to be honest and confess that I don't like motorcycles and don't want to ride on one. Is that a problem? I'm sorry if it is, I've known a few people who were seriously hurt and one that died. Are they a big part of your life? <<



My response,

I want to be honest and confess that I don't like CARS and don't want to ride in one. Is that a problem? I'm sorry if it is, I've known a few people who were seriously hurt and one that died. Are they a big part of your life?



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Sounds like he won't get ... May have to resort to wearing a sling

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Sounds like he won't get ... May have to resort to wearing a sling

Sorry Keith, couldn't resist.

A sling??? Where do I wear it?

Izzat like an elevator thong?
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Lost track of how many times I have tripped and fallen, but I am still walking (not much running anymore).
Ha, Ha, Ha, ouch, ouch, ouch!!! ... my ribs.

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... and the doctor said stop dooooing that!

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Good analysis, human nature.

Quote: "Conclusion: I think people constantly wonder whether the events in other peoples lives could happen to them. The reaction to "I was broad sided" gets the minimal response because like cancer, it might be contagious. It's important to run away and dismiss the possibility it could happen to them. At least that's why I think I get the quick 'so sorry' before they exit ASAP. Whereas, the motorcyclist should be lectured for several reasons, including the reassurance that they couldn't possibly get hurt or killed today because they're not stupid enough to ride. And, there's the added benefit of feeling superior."

Your post and analysis reminded me of medical visit I made last spring to have my foot checked. I had crushed my foot against a guard rail riding my CB550. My appointment was a follow up; I was concerned that a fracture had been missed on prior xray because of the length of time it was taking to recover. The guy I ended up seeing was an internal medicine resident at my local VA hospital. He didn't examine my foot, he didn't review the earlier radiographs, all he did was pull up my file on the computer, read the prior report and then proceeded to lecture me on the dangers of motorcycle riding.

I'll give him credit for perhaps being well intentioned, but I found him condesending and boorish. Not only did he fail to evaluate my chief complaint, he failed to consider that I might have done an objective risk analysis of motorcycling and the events that led to my mishap. He assumed that I was some childish bonehead who needed to be chastised for my risky behavior.

Okay, according to his thinking I needed couseling... but this young, recent medical school graduate, now in his residency, was one of the most overweight health care professionals I have ever seen. So here's an overweight guy with an education that makes him highly knowledgeable about the risk factors for high blood pressure, heart attack, stroke, diabetes, etc., lecturing me about brusing my foot motorcycle riding.

Isn't human nature amazing?
Denial... oh, yeah, that's a river in Egypt.
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Guess I'll sell the GT and go back to playing with sharp objects again.
You too, huh?!

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." (Some really OLD friggin' White dude who couldn't have possibly known what he was talking about!) WARNING: Official HATE speech!
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Just had to add this to this thread. I was at the funeral home the othe night, (my brother in law passed away) and I saw one of the guys I grew up with who I hadn't seen in years. I mentioned riding my motorcycle to the funeral home, and he looked at me like I was from Mars or something, and said "Those things are dangerous." I just smiled and said, "I've heard that."
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Momma said that would make me go BLIND!!!
My vision is just a little blurry!

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." (Some really OLD friggin' White dude who couldn't have possibly known what he was talking about!) WARNING: Official HATE speech!
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Okay, according to his thinking I needed couseling... but this young, recent medical school graduate, now in his residency, was one of the most overweight health care professionals I have ever seen. So here's an overweight guy with an education that makes him highly knowledgeable about the risk factors for high blood pressure, heart attack, stroke, diabetes, etc., lecturing me about brusing my foot motorcycle riding.

Isn't human nature amazing?
Denial... oh, yeah, that's a river in Egypt.
Yep, very amazing! A lot of medical professionals smoke and drink heavily. Death wish? Calculated risk? ... who cares? live and let live. ... live and let die.

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on this topic, I showed a class my helmet cam video of my May R1150RT crash, and had one student openly say what a "f**kin' idiot I was for riding a 'donor-cycle'" and that he'd "never ride a motorcycle!!!"

A week later, he was showing the class some video taken of his parachuting club, including video of him deliberately collapsing his chute, "stacking" with other jumpers, and when they would come in and skim across shallow water at high speed--including a couple who hit at the wrong angle of incidence and either wiped out or, in one case, fractured both femurs.

Also fun is when people who are telling you that "motorcyclists are idiots" say that as they remove a cigarrette from their mouth to speak their words of wisdom...

I've read all of my manuals, and all the stickers on the bike, but never saw "warning, dragging a footpeg in a chicane can cause cancer..."

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Every time someone tells me they've been in a car accident, I always use it as an opportunity to tell them how dangerous it is to drive a cage!


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Yep, very amazing! A lot of medical professionals smoke and drink heavily. Death wish? Calculated risk? ... who cares? live and let live. ... live and let die.
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You're so right! I have a very large public hospital in my patrol area that I get called to all the time. The medical personnel, especially the nurses, smoke like trains.

Interesting! Stress from so many patients during a 12 hours shift?

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... and the doctor said stop dooooing that!
Yeah well you got to make it a good story; i.e.
There I was wearing nothing but leather chaps w/suspenders a rainbow afro wig and a hockey mask . With a picture of the new Duc 1098 taped on the freezer door in front of me. As I reached for the lime jello---
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Getting further off topic, but ...
Depression? I can't imagine catering to whining, sickly, feeble customers day in and day out. Not mention all the blood, guts, and puke! And, nurses get such great pay and respect.
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You're so right! I have a very large public hospital in my patrol area that I get called to all the time. The medical personnel, especially the nurses, smoke like trains.

Interesting! Stress from so many patients during a 12 hours shift?

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Yeah well you got to make it a good story; i.e.
There I was wearing nothing but leather chaps w/suspenders a rainbow afro wig and a hockey mask . With a picture of the new Duc 1098 taped on the freezer door in front of me. As I reached for the lime jello---
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Hmmm, pretty good, except that would be new GSA pinup and cherry jello!

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Let's face it the cagers like their cages. And the car makers keep mak'in em bigger and bigger, while bike makers just make em faster. What we need is to start making bikes big enough to take out a semi. Then we can turn this whole thing around.

The beatings will continue untill morale improves.
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Let's face it the cagers like their cages. And the car makers keep mak'in em bigger and bigger, while bike makers just make em faster. What we need is to start making bikes big enough to take out a semi. Then we can turn this whole thing around.
I was thinking about developing advanced countermeasures.

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I was thinking about developing advanced countermeasures.
Depending on if you can yank the front wheel or not, you could put it through the drivers window .
Honestly I think the impact on the wheel and bottom of the bike will be less severe on the rider, than the over the top route..
Hopfully you'll kill the driver in the process, may take awhile, but enough reports "Yet Another Car Driver Killed , From Pulling Out In Front Of A Motorcycle, (film at 11) Then they will start looking for us.
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Depending on if you can yank the front wheel or not, you could put it through the drivers window .
Honestly I think the impact on the wheel and bottom of the bike will be less severe on the rider, than the over the top route..
Hopfully you'll kill the driver in the process, may take awhile, but enough reports "Yet Another Car Driver Killed , From Pulling Out In Front Of A Motorcycle, (film at 11) Then they will start looking for us.
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Well, that would probably work.
However, I are an engineer and I was urr thinkin more along the lines of rocket-propelled depleted uranium. The launchers could be mounted on the topside of the PIAA light bar. How’s that for poetic justice? As they stare into the light with a zombie expression, the auto-targeting system locks onto the infrared signature from their eyes.
Regarding the DU projectiles, I know someone, who knows someone, who might know someone ... After all, I do live in the land of the A-bomb, urr, I mean Land of Enchantment.
Then again, maybe it's not such a good idea considering the CG would get all fouled up.

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Well, that would probably work.
However, I are an engineer and I was urr thinkin more along the lines of rocket-propelled depleted uranium. The launchers could be mounted on the topside of the PIAA light bar. How’s that for poetic justice? As they stare into the light with a zombie expression, the auto-targeting system locks onto the infrared signature from their eyes.
...and this would also work on deers!!!

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...and this would also work on deers!!!
Wow! the world is filled with business opportunities!!
What's the saying? ... Find a knee and kill it?

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Well, that would probably work.
However, I are an engineer and I was urr thinkin more along the lines of rocket-propelled depleted uranium. The launchers could be mounted on the topside of the PIAA light bar. How’s that for poetic justice? As they stare into the light with a zombie expression, the auto-targeting system locks onto the infrared signature from their eyes.
Regarding the DU projectiles, I know someone, who knows someone, who might know someone ... After all, I do live in the land of the A-bomb, urr, I mean Land of Enchantment. [/font]
Well since we are at war, I'm sure the defence department wont mis a few hundreds chopper helmets with the heads up look to target features .
When you want to get started and where to deliver them ?
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