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Will the BMW dealer dicker?

Ok, after a long an careful look at all available bikes, my wife has decided she wants a f650gs low. There aren't many used ones floating around so I guess I am going to get a new one from the dealer. Having never bought a new bike, I was wondering how much, if any, will they come off sticker. Any ideas?
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Ok, after a long an careful look at all available bikes, my wife has decided she wants a f650gs low. There aren't many used ones floating around so I guess I am going to get a new one from the dealer. Having never bought a new bike, I was wondering how much, if any, will they come off sticker. Any ideas?
Some dealers will make a little concession, but I think BMW really discourages it and dealers in general stay with the program. I found when buying my KLT that I could get the dealer to throw in a couple of helmets, discount the extended warranty, and a couple of other things, which were all financed by BMW financial. The price of the bike never really changed, the package deal did.

Others may report different experiences wrt dealer discounting.
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post #3 of 17 Old Dec 3rd, 2006, 7:01 pm
 
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HeLL Yes

If the dealer wants your business he'll reduce his asking price at least 5% without blinking an eye. Start higher and work down to 10%.

Selling bikes are his job, you do this for fun, have command over your checkbook.

Keep in mind, Harley dealers are giving deals these days, you know the rest are too.

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I bought my '02 LT new (it was also my first new bike) from Chicago BMW. Mike Abt, who is still the manager there, was very willing to negotiate a price. In fact, I've not heard of a dealership that didn't until this thread. I don't recall the numbers exactly but I believe my sales price was roughly $2,500 off list. But don't quote me on that!

BMW has also offered various financing incentives over the years. If that is of interest to you check into it, it could be a significant way to reduce the cost of the financing rather than using your bank (or whoever you typically use). I look at the BMW USA website occasionally. It seems their deals fluctuate with model year and/or how popular a model is.

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F650 lowered with top box and other extras for $7200 in cycletrader.

I got about 18% off my '05 LT a year and a half ago. Watch the extras added after the price.
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Has the wife ridden an F650? Carolina BMW let me take one while they were servicing my LT and I didn't care for it at all. Too vibratory. I guess the 650 Vstrom is out, since you;re looking at the LOW version of the F650? I would think the Vstrom would be cheaper to start with. I had a 1000 Vstrom and it was an awesome bike. Might want to consider the 650 strom, if possible.

Where ya looking at buying? Capitol BMW? Nice place. Been there looking around. never bought from them but my LT came from there originally, by way of G-ville, NC.

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F650 lowered with top box and other extras for $7200 in cycletrader.

I got about 18% off my '05 LT a year and a half ago. Watch the extras added after the price.
You guys have done well. Back in 2000 when I bought my LT I worked two different dealerships and the most concession I could get on the bike was about $1K. I was using BMW 0.9% financing at the time and maybe that influenced what price concessions they were willing to make.
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You guys have done well. Back in 2000 when I bought my LT I worked two different dealerships and the most concession I could get on the bike was about $1K. I was using BMW 0.9% financing at the time and maybe that influenced what price concessions they were willing to make.
which is why you always make separate deals! First you negotiate the purchase price. Then and only then do you negotiate financing. Third, if it applies, negotiate your trade-in. Never never never tell them ahead of time that you will finance through them and whether you have a vehicle in trade.

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Anyone who sells a product will dicker...period. Cars. Bikes. Clothes. Food. Services. ANY "thing". If I'm paying for it with money out of my bank account, you can bet I'm not going down without a fight. I've bought two brand-new BMWs in the past 4 years. Both came with healthy discounts. And some service thrown in for good measure.
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The price with a hand full of $1000 bill packets (you know the wrappers they put [email protected]'s in) has much more of an impact than going the other way. After all you showed up with cash, your serious about doing this.
Best one I ever saw was Fat Bob RIP at the HD dealership. He told me meet him there we were going to ride after he traded this truck in on a Low Rider.
So I pull in go in the office with them, I'm drinking some coffee.(He set this up,but didn't tell me till later)
While they are arguing about price he turns and says Rock go make sure there is nothing left in my truck, I don't want to give them any extras.
I come back into the office, they are still at it Bob says to me "find anything?" I reached into my vest pocket and dropped 2 44mag, 3 45 and one 20MM shell on the desk.
The sales guy looks up and says, "yeah that last set of numbers will be fine".
He got the bike an we left, then he blamed me for extorting the guy. This was my preacher
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Rock, you and I are old enough to remember when bringing a bag of cash got you the best discount, but that ain't true any longer. I was a car salesman over this past summer, and the sales managers definitely did not want an all cash deal. I dunno exactly how much they make on financing, but they were quite happy when we got the buyer to finance thru us. (We the salesmen also got a piece of that action) They did give a good discount off sticker if they knew the buyer was financing thru us. ( Most buyers only want to be able to tell their friends that they got a lot off the sticker price, and are oblivious to the fact that they gave the dealer back two grand in the finance office- the "back end".) Once they have a buyer seated in the finance office, they also know they have a fair chance to sell them an alarm, LoJack, window etching, accessories, and one of the best money-makers, the extended warranty.

I don't know, but I assume its the same with bikes- on the last day of the month you DO stand a better chance of getting a better deal. I've had my sales manager letting cars go for dealer cost all because he was tied in the standings for a trip to the Caribbean being given to the top sales manager in the region. (He did win the trip, but I'd like to know what he told the owner of the dealership with regard to the missing profits.)

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Will the BMW dealer dicker?

Well, the old car salesmen joke..."Bring your wife in and we'll dicker."

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Has the wife ridden an F650? Carolina BMW let me take one while they were servicing my LT and I didn't care for it at all. Too vibratory. I guess the 650 Vstrom is out, since you;re looking at the LOW version of the F650? I would think the Vstrom would be cheaper to start with. I had a 1000 Vstrom and it was an awesome bike. Might want to consider the 650 strom, if possible.

Where ya looking at buying? Capitol BMW? Nice place. Been there looking around. never bought from them but my LT came from there originally, by way of G-ville, NC.

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She is riding a Yamaha 250 Virago, which I think virbrates more than one of those beds you put a quarter into, so she doesn't think the f650 will be an issue. She has never even sat on a low, she just thinks she will like it based on the regular she has sat on . When the low comes in I will try to arrange a test ride. Her major concern is comfort of seating position (she is 5'2"). I think she also has some bmw envy (I have and Lt). When did you get your LT. I know a guy here who got rid of his recently, probably the same one. I think there are only about 5 in town. Yeah Capital BMW is great, the new General Manager is an ex NCSHP who taught my wife in the MSF course so she is really prone to listen to him!
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BMW/Ducati of Charlotte had a nice used one last week.
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I bought my LT in August (I think it was) from a pastor, David Griffin. NEar a Hampton Inn. Charcoal 03. Sweet deal. He said he just didn't have time to ride and apparently no desire anymore. Was trying to get rid of all his gear and stuff.

We use the 250 viragos in MSF class. At those speeds, never noticed the vibration issue, but I assume it would be there, due to engine configuration. I hope you can get her a test ride, just to make sure she'll be happy with that bike. I didn't like it, but I'm not everyone else. The mirrors were pretty much useless at hwy speeds. Buzzy little bike, compared to an LT (what isn't when compared to an LT). Good luck with your purchase.

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Ok, after a long an careful look at all available bikes, my wife has decided she wants a f650gs low. There aren't many used ones floating around so I guess I am going to get a new one from the dealer. Having never bought a new bike, I was wondering how much, if any, will they come off sticker. Any ideas?
Wait,Wait,Wait!!
I bought my wife an F650GS brand new. She kept on falling with the darn thing. I thought that it was just her until I rode it - awful! We had a sneak preview of the new 800s class at a BMW rally, and all the wives were raving about it. Try this one before you shell out the hard earned cash! This is a ladies bike for sure! Just mt 2c

I would rather be riding my bike and thinking about God than sitting in Church thinking about my bike!

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Anyone who sells a product will dicker...period. Cars. Bikes. Clothes. Food. Services. ANY "thing". If I'm paying for it with money out of my bank account, you can bet I'm not going down without a fight. I've bought two brand-new BMWs in the past 4 years. Both came with healthy discounts. And some service thrown in for good measure.
And I believe that the service is worth every bit as much as that great price.

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