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I'm thinking of buying a 4-wheeler for my kid and a small (200cc) dual-sport for me . . . umm . . . for Christmas! Of course!

My BMW dealer also carries UM (United Motors) motorcycles, scooters, and ATVs. Yes, they're made in China. But their warranty is impressive, their vehicles are very feature-rich, and they're priced below all of the Japanese competitors. Add the fact that my dealer is giving me 'an offer I can't refuse', and it's really got me thinking. What to do, what to do?



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What's on the contract??

If he's making you the "Godfather Deal" then I would take it. You've probably done this already, but talk with him in depth about his view on the quality of the bikes/ATVs and his commitment for long term sales, service and support. Also, ask for some referrals from sales of these models and talk to current owners to get their perspectives. Ask pointed questions about what they like and don't, problems they've had, what they would do differently if they could do the purchase again, etc. The Chinese and Korean bike makers are working hard and heavy to get into the US marketplace and they understand the preceived quality (or lack thereof) their products may carry, so I'm guessing they're making sure these things are pretty solid vehicles. The great deals are another spoke in the wheel of getting their foot in the door. The dealer support is the other part they have to nail. If you get a good feeling on these various fronts, whip out the checkbook and go play in the dirt with your kid!

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Joe: Out here in California they have restrictions on when and where these imports can be ridden. All due to not meeting emissions standards. In don't know if Ohio is getting as strict as my state but it might be something to look into.....

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Add the fact that my dealer is giving me 'an offer I can't refuse', and it's really got me thinking. What to do, what to do?
Resist the temptation Joe, resist the temptation!!!
Of course this is one of those "Do as I say, don't do as I do" type of advice!
On the other hand... you could ask your wife how she feels about this...? Or not!
In any case... Merry upcoming Christmas!

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I'm thinking of buying a 4-wheeler for my kid and a small (200cc) dual-sport for me . . . umm . . . for Christmas! Of course!

My BMW dealer also carries UM (United Motors) motorcycles, scooters, and ATVs. Yes, they're made in China. But their warranty is impressive, their vehicles are very feature-rich, and they're priced below all of the Japanese competitors. Add the fact that my dealer is giving me 'an offer I can't refuse', and it's really got me thinking. What to do, what to do?



Joe I think you will be very disappointed with the anemic power of a 200cc 4 stroke. A person of your size need's at least a 400 cc 4 stroke or 250 cc 2 stroke . Also the suspension on the 200 will be way soft for you.
The quad may be a good starter machine for your son.
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At the risk of being hammered... if we all keep buying Chinese made goods, then we will get exactly what we deserve, a country devoid of manufacturing. I know, I know, what doesn't have Chinese made parts in it? Well, at least buy something that puts a reasonable percentage of the purchase price back into the USA. (Honda comes to mind)

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Well, at least buy something that puts a reasonable percentage of the purchase price back into the USA.
Like......

BMW?


Actually, I'd like to have one of those UM 250R's. Got a dealer just down the street. It's just a little heavy for a 250 though.

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Yes, like BMW... They are one of our best customers over-seas. You help employee people in Solon Ohio.

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Today, I bought my son a 4-wheeler. But I did not buy him the United Motors unit. I found an '05 Honda 350 with less than 200 miles on it for less money than the UM. I can't believe the deal I got on this Honda. And the feeling that comes with buying my son the things that I didn't have as a boy is PRICELESS.
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Today, I bought my son a 4-wheeler. But I did not buy him the United Motors unit. I found an '05 Honda 350 with less than 200 miles on it for less money than the UM. I can't believe the deal I got on this Honda. And the feeling that comes with buying my son the things that I didn't have as a boy is PRICELESS.
Very cool. Congrats to you and your son! I know he's going to hav a blast riding it.

So, when does daddy get his new toy?????


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Today, I bought my son a 4-wheeler. But I did not buy him the United Motors unit. I found an '05 Honda 350 with less than 200 miles on it for less money than the UM. I can't believe the deal I got on this Honda. And the feeling that comes with buying my son the things that I didn't have as a boy is PRICELESS.
Joe,

This Champ Car story may help your son avoid what the Champ Car Champion could not. ATV's have a habit of flipping over and landing on the person who was exceeding the stability of the ATV. Kinda like Big Ben not needing a helmet in his blue hair Chrysler story, but four rather than two wheels. Thankfully, my sons lived thru their teenage two wheel phase and are both now college grads. Hope your boy has a blast on that thing. Just remind him if Paul can get hurt by pushing the limits, he needs to be careful not to tip over the rolling apple cart. They flip before you can say ATV..........

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Indianapolis, Indiana Ė November 6, 2006 Ė Forsythe Championship Racing announced today that it will withdraw the #3 INDECK Ford-Cosworth/Bridgestone/Lola entry from the Gran Premio Telmex Presented by Banamex due to the injury suffered by Paul during an ATV accident at his home town of Las Vegas, Nevada. Tracyís withdrawal will end a streak of 136 consecutive Champ Car starts, which ranks him seventh in the all time list. The Team will focus its efforts on its two new rookie drivers, Buddy Rice and David Martinez, who will both make their Champ Car debuts at the Mexico City event, November 10th Ė 12th.

Paul: ďThis story has gotten blown way out of proportion. Basically what happened is that I was out with some friends playing around with an ATV that I own and it just got a little out of hand, I flipped it over and it landed on top of me. The first three or four days I was making a lot of progress and I thought that I was going to be okay for Mexico. I was doing therapy and some exercises and I think I just overdid it, I just went backwards really fast and the injury got worse.

Iím very disappointed obviously. Itís been a long season, Iíve done Grand Am races, Nascar races, Iíve done a lot of testing, so for now the best thing is to relax and let my shoulder heal, I donít want to risk hurting it even more. Dr. Trammell reviewed my X-rays and he recommended that I stay out of the car for a few weeks so the bone can heal properly.

Iím disappointed for the Team, itís been a long and unsuccessful season and we wanted to end it on a high note. But now the focus is next year, I know that we are going to come back with the new car and we are going to be super strong and challenging for the Championship.Ē

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[QUOTE=fas]Joe,

This Champ Car story may help your son avoid what the Champ Car Champion could not. ATV's have a habit of flipping over and landing on the person who was exceeding the stability of the ATV.

Rob,

Life is not without risk , Things happen. Joe will outfit his boy with the right gear to help lessen the risk. Yes 2 wheel bikes dont slam you like quads when you crash. Perhaps a 2 wheeler is in the future. Some people prefer quads over bikes. Even the most competent riders can crash. Lets be positive!

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My son will ride ATGATT, or get the keys yanked. We will be buying him riding gear while I fill out the paper work on his new ATV tomorrow. But understand this; my son is extremely conservative and cautious in all that he does. I attribute this to his birth defect. My son didn't walk until he was 18 months old. He is not a dare-devil by nature. In other words, he's nothing like his father. In fact, when I showed him the pics of this 350, his questions were more focused at the safety features. Yes, he's a unique kid. And come Sunday, we'll be out there getting his new toy all muddy. I'll be on my old '83 Suzuki ALT125 (see attachment).
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My son will ride ATGATT, or get the keys yanked. We will be buying him riding gear while I fill out the paper work on his new ATV tomorrow. But understand this; my son is extremely conservative and cautious in all that he does. I attribute this to his birth defect. My son didn't walk until he was 18 months old. He is not a dare-devil by nature. In other words, he's nothing like his father. In fact, when I showed him the pics of this 350, his questions were more focused at the safety features. Yes, he's a unique kid. And come Sunday, we'll be out there getting his new toy all muddy. I'll be on my old '83 Suzuki ALT125 (see attachment).
Now THAT'S Old School! You guys are going to have a blast!

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Today, I bought my son a 4-wheeler. But I did not buy him the United Motors unit. I found an '05 Honda 350 with less than 200 miles on it for less money than the UM. I can't believe the deal I got on this Honda. And the feeling that comes with buying my son the things that I didn't have as a boy is PRICELESS.
Joe,
You obviously where hit hard on the head a few to many times growing up, so make sure you give your kid a fighting chance with a good hard helmet.....

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You obviously where hit hard on the head a few to many times growing up, so make sure you give your kid a fighting chance with a good hard helmet.....
Will do sir.
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Lots of UM products here in Puerto Rico. VERY INEXPENSIVE!!! Judging by what we see by the side of roads on Sundays (that is when hoards of young locals take their scooters out) they are not reliable. There is currently a bike show in the local mall. UM makes a knock off of every popular japanese bike made. It's almost funny.
Good choice, you can't go wrong with a Honda.

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Lots of UM products here in Puerto Rico. VERY INEXPENSIVE!!! Judging by what we see by the side of roads on Sundays (that is when hoards of young locals take their scooters out) they are not reliable. There is currently a bike show in the local mall. UM makes a knock off of every popular japanese bike made. It's almost funny.
Good choice, you can't go wrong with a Honda.
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