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part 2 of fox news MC report in N Ga.

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pretty fair and acurate report I'd say. These morons need to take it to the track. They are going to ruin this for the rest of us...

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pretty fair and acurate report I'd say. These morons need to take it to the track. They are going to ruin this for the rest of us...
yea it is, we ride here all the time, we speed much of it as well, guess we better be riding the limits or face tickets galore now, for the most part Lumpkin has been decent to the riders for a while, the locals have really been complaining lately though, it will take it's toll they will crack down here in this county.

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yea it is, we ride here all the time, we speed much of it as well, guess we better be riding the limits or face tickets galore now, for the most part Lumpkin has been decent to the riders for a while, the locals have really been complaining lately though, it will take it's toll they will crack down here in this county.


I'm not saying that I always ride the speed limit, far from it. I do see a big difference between going 10-15 over, passing cars on a long straight and passing cars at triple digits on double yellows and blind corners.

There are a couple of great roads out here in that really aren't ridable any more because of this type behavior. The locals complain (as they should) and the LEO get tired of pealing people of the pavement every weekend and now the roads are so heavily patrolled that it's just not worth going.

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Okay, so what do we do? Demand less powerful motorcycles? Electronic speed limiters on m/c's? Special licensing for those that just have to go fast? Then keep their super bikes in lockup till track day where they can check them out for a day on the track? Or, how about live in a free society and when someone gets stupid, lock'em up and make'em pay the fines and damages if any? We, as riders, if we keep pushing the legal envelope, not the performance one, some politician is going to make our lives miserable. Let's police ourselves before someone that doesn't give a hoot about m/c's makes decisions for us. Ride safe. Ride often and if you have to get crazy, wait for the right time and place.

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Okay, so what do we do? Demand less powerful motorcycles? Electronic speed limiters on m/c's? Special licensing for those that just have to go fast? Then keep their super bikes in lockup till track day where they can check them out for a day on the track? Or, how about live in a free society and when someone gets stupid, lock'em up and make'em pay the fines and damages if any? We, as riders, if we keep pushing the legal envelope, not the performance one, some politician is going to make our lives miserable. Let's police ourselves before someone that doesn't give a hoot about m/c's makes decisions for us. Ride safe. Ride often and if you have to get crazy, wait for the right time and place.
There is nothing we can do. It is strictly up to the responsibility of the driver, For now...

This is just one more little tiny bit of info that can be used to push for ideas like you have stated in your reply here, also for controlled speed vehicles such as being tested in Ca. now. It is also just a little more ammunition for those that want to stop motorcycling in this area all togehter.

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The speedo video has been on YOU tube for a long time, It is a fake, how they say they got it from the cops is beyound me.
All you have to do is look at the lines when they put the bike back down (at supposed 140mph) white lines should be pretty much solid.
Plus Increase the speed of the rear tire by 80mph over the front and put it back down, thats a joke.
One of the original members of the BMX/MX Mafia tried that on a closed toll road last year, they were shooting for a commercial. With only a fifty mph increase he blew the front tire when he set it down at 110mph, went down. He was fine (Full racing gear) until Danny Trent ran him over with the second bike.
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The speedo video has been on YOU tube for a long time, It is a fake, how they say they got it from the cops is beyound me.
All you have to do is look at the lines when they put the bike back down (at supposed 140mph) white lines should be pretty much solid.
Plus Increase the speed of the rear tire by 80mph over the front and put it back down, thats a joke.
One of the original members of the BMX/MX Mafia tried that on a closed toll road last year, they were shooting for a commercial. With only a fifty mph increase he blew the front tire when he set it down at 110mph, went down. He was fine (Full racing gear) until Danny Trent ran him over with the second bike.
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yea it looks like a fake to me as well, but comparing the white lines passing you would need to really know the speed of the film to be more accurate, still......
as far as the blow out, i sat a front tire down on a gxr 1000 at or just over 100 with no blow out once. it is the only time i have had a front end up at 100 or over, hell I hardly even realized the damn bike was still up in the air it was soo friggen easy to do!

what was funny about the whole news thing was they never showed the 153mph shot of the radar gun or did i miss that part, what is funnier yet is how the Local LEO are really acting about it, making part of the news clip a joke IRL. On th eother hand the leo on the streets have a shit job right now trying to do something about it, this is the worse time of the year to as everyone is trying to get the last good days of riding in before it gets too cold for them up here 35 this evening after the sun went down

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There is nothing we can do. It is strictly up to the responsibility of the driver, For now...

This is just one more little tiny bit of info that can be used to push for ideas like you have stated in your reply here, also for controlled speed vehicles such as being tested in Ca. now. It is also just a little more ammunition for those that want to stop motorcycling in this area all togehter.

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Yes, it would be impossible to stop it altogether. There are just too many roads and not enough resources. It would be possible to make a substantial dent in this recklessness, however. But, it would take a tremendous amount of work and resources.

All the "target" roads would have to be surveyed for laser enforcement, and then sign posted throughout as a "special enforcement area." This would allow an increase in fines that would help cover the cost of multiple task forces. States and municipalities would also have to enact vehicle seizure laws for this type of deadly activity.

The task forces would have to be large enough to use road blocks to catch these guys. Chasing them is way too dangerous. Multiple task forces would have to be used. If there is only one working in one area, the racers just go to the next road. The radio frequencies used would also have to be stealth. The racers routinely scan LEO frequencies including trunked channels.

The complexity and resources needed for such enforcement is beyond the reach of most smaller agencies. Even the larger agencies rarely assemble the resources necessary to combat this recklessness. The result is that the road racers and canyon racers pretty much have free reign.

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yea it looks like a fake to me as well, but comparing the white lines passing you would need to really know the speed of the film to be more accurate, still......
as far as the blow out, i sat a front tire down on a gxr 1000 at or just over 100 with no blow out once. it is the only time i have had a front end up at 100 or over, hell I hardly even realized the damn bike was still up in the air it was soo friggen easy to do!

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Yeah going up or down at any speed is not a problem for them.
The dramatic speed change with the front already off the ground is what they determined made the tire blow.
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Yes, it would be impossible to stop it altogether. There are just too many roads and not enough resources. It would be possible to make a substantial dent in this recklessness, however. But, it would take a tremendous amount of work and resources.

All the "target" roads would have to be surveyed for laser enforcement, and then sign posted throughout as a "special enforcement area." This would allow an increase in fines that would help cover the cost of multiple task forces. States and municipalities would also have to enact vehicle seizure laws for this type of deadly activity.

The task forces would have to be large enough to use road blocks to catch these guys. Chasing them is way too dangerous. Multiple task forces would have to be used. If there is only one working in one area, the racers just go to the next road. The radio frequencies used would also have to be stealth. The racers routinely scan LEO frequencies including trunked channels.

The complexity and resources needed for such enforcement is beyond the reach of most smaller agencies. Even the larger agencies rarely assemble the resources necessary to combat this recklessness. The result is that the road racers and canyon racers pretty much have free reign.

although it has been getting worse this is the end of the seaons up here for th emost part and the last couple /few weeks havebeen very very packed with bikes, it wil calm down on it;s own for some time soon then the wrecks again as the new season will be here.

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Yes, it would be impossible to stop it altogether. There are just too many roads and not enough resources. It would be possible to make a substantial dent in this recklessness, however. But, it would take a tremendous amount of work and resources.

All the "target" roads would have to be surveyed for laser enforcement, and then sign posted throughout as a "special enforcement area." This would allow an increase in fines that would help cover the cost of multiple task forces. States and municipalities would also have to enact vehicle seizure laws for this type of deadly activity.

The task forces would have to be large enough to use road blocks to catch these guys. Chasing them is way too dangerous. Multiple task forces would have to be used. If there is only one working in one area, the racers just go to the next road. The radio frequencies used would also have to be stealth. The racers routinely scan LEO frequencies including trunked channels.

The complexity and resources needed for such enforcement is beyond the reach of most smaller agencies. Even the larger agencies rarely assemble the resources necessary to combat this recklessness. The result is that the road racers and canyon racers pretty much have free reign.

although it has been getting worse lately this is the end of the season up here for the most part. The last couple/few weeks have been very very packed with bikes, it will calm down on it's own for some time now, then the wrecks again as the new season will be here.

I'm told IN N.C. over 20 the limit can send you to jail. GA has no law like that i'm aware of, neither does FL where the high speed driving is a real issue, max fine in fl for speeding according to the FHP in a news interview was like 440 bucks, they were upset as the turnpike speeders were getting faster and faster commonly clocked well over 100 mph one fellow was on tv had been ticketed earlier in the week at 140 in his car this time it was over 1o0 if i remember correctly




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Yeah going up or down at any speed is not a problem for them.
The dramatic speed change with the front already off the ground is what they determined made the tire blow.
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could be, I'll tell ya the first time I rode a later model sport bike I was shocked at how much power it really had, it was a somehint nina 1100? then i rode the gxr 1000, then rode nija up here, wow those bikes are fast, I can jot imagine how fast the zx 14 thing is now, it is lighter with yet more power, MY DL does not want one of those bikes!

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It's pretty simple to take care of this problem actually. Instead of needing huge resources to try to police an area and all that, we'll start to see massive fines for speeding, possible jail time as was mentioned for NC. Then when we're used to that idea, some idiot will go and split a car in half or go cartwheeling through a windshield, only this time it won't be some no-named "mountain folks" windshield. It will be someone who is married to or related to, a Lawmaker or around the time that said lawmaker is up for re-election for office and latches onto this issue. Then we'll see the horsepower limits, stratified licensing, electronic speed limiters, pohibitive penalties, Prohibitive insurance premiums, prohibitive licensing fees, tarriffs on the "high performance machines" which will be open for description by those imposing the tarriffs, so anything over a 3lb to 1hp ratio probably, etc etc etc.

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This video has gotten a lot of attention all over the net. Killboy is talking about it as are several other sites. Also, read the activities of the Blounte county sheriff's dept. here: http://tailofthedragon.com/

Don't miss the picture all the way at the bottom either! LOL!

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....some idiot will go and split a car in half or go cartwheeling through a windshield, only this time it won't be some no-named "mountain folks" windshield. It will be someone who is married to or related to, a Lawmaker or around the time that said lawmaker is up for re-election for office and latches onto this issue. Then we'll see the horsepower limits, stratified licensing, electronic speed limiters, pohibitive penalties, Prohibitive insurance premiums, prohibitive licensing fees, tarriffs on the "high performance machines" which will be open for description by those imposing the tarriffs, so anything over a 3lb to 1hp ratio probably, etc etc etc.

People are reactive when they should have been proactive.
Yes, only a matter of time before technology takes care of it all. I can see interactive vehicles with speed limiters based on electronic input from road condition transponders.

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This video has gotten a lot of attention all over the net. Killboy is talking about it as are several other sites. Also, read the activities of the Blounte county sheriff's dept. here: http://tailofthedragon.com/

Don't miss the picture all the way at the bottom either! LOL!

now this is what is interesting
"OCTOBER 25 BULLETIN: Repairs will begin on Parsons Branch Road at mile marker 4.0 in the next few weeks. Some 7000 tons of gravel will be hauled in from the North Carolina side of the Dragon. There will likely be loose gravel on this section of the Dragon and on US 129 in North Carolina for most of the winter. Plans are to reopen Parsons Branch Road in June 2007. This one way gravel road out of Cades Cove with 19 water fords is a great dual sport ride."

woo hoo! that is a neat road!

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At least we can give the news reports credit for continually stating that it was "a very small number" of riders who are causing the problem. Thank goodness they were more professional and did not just fall into the "crazy riders" painting session.

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At least we can give the news reports credit for continually stating that it was "a very small number" of riders who are causing the problem. Thank goodness they were more professional and did not just fall into the "crazy riders" painting session.

You are right David, it could have been much worse.

Actually this has reminded me to be more considerate to other drivers, not only here but other places as well. If I'm upset about how bad it can get here, then I definitly do not want to turn someone elses backyard into the same mess.

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This one way gravel road out of Cades Cove with 19 water fords is a great dual sport ride."

woo hoo! that is a neat road!

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Thats a tough road on an LT, but doable if you ain't concerned about gettin scuffed up.
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I never had my LT on it, have had my Glide on it, last time it was in bad shape though!

it's been closed for some time now, but I just saw today ! which is prertty awesome!

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OCTOBER 25 BULLETIN: Repairs will begin on Parsons Branch Road at mile marker 4.0 in the next few weeks. Some 7000 tons of gravel will be hauled in from the North Carolina side of the Dragon. There will likely be loose gravel on this section of the Dragon and on US 129 in North Carolina for most of the winter. Plans are to reopen Parsons Branch Road in June 2007. This one way gravel road out of Cades Cove with 19 water fords is a great dual sport ride.

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Yes, only a matter of time before technology takes care of it all. I can see interactive vehicles with speed limiters based on electronic input from road condition transponders.
Unfortunately, that's already out there and being tested.

The rental car I had for my recent UK trip kept flashing "Warning! Speed Limit Exceeded" on the dash. A first I wondered if there were local sensors, or some sort of gps connection, then I noticed it happened every time I exceeded 30 mph, even if I just slowed slightly then sped up again. I eventually found the dash computer controls and turned off the warning. There was also a City light on, so I imagine there is a Highway setting as well, that probably trips at 60 or 70 mph. Seemed rather worthless to me.

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Unfortunately, that's already out there and being tested.
ahh but someplace in So Cal. they are actually testing the cars with the sensors in the road that control the vehicle

actually it is pretty awesome stuff, but I really do not want it!
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You are right David, it could have been much worse.

Actually this has reminded me to be more considerate to other drivers, not only here but other places as well. If I'm upset about how bad it can get here, then I definitly do not want to turn someone elses backyard into the same mess.

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It is like that all over already. Around Socal, I know of at least three places that are over run with sportbikers, with many accidents and scared/pissed drivers. Palomar Mountain Road near San Diego(especially the south grade), Angeles Crest Highway above LA, and Ortega Highway west of Temecula. All these have had the same problems as the GA/TN/NC roads mentioned.

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It is like that all over already. Around Socal, I know of at least three places that are over run with sportbikers, with many accidents and scared/pissed drivers. Palomar Mountain Road near San Diego(especially the south grade), Angeles Crest Highway above LA, and Ortega Highway west of Temecula. All these have had the same problems as the GA/TN/NC roads mentioned.
yup, in Fl they have the long striaght roads, and most Jap bike riders say if you pull over your nuts the helicopters can't even catch us, the bikes are faster than the police copters and not enough resources. i guess when you start really thinking about it, the problem is pretty serious huh

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Yup, in Fl they have the long striaght roads. Most Jap bike riders say if you pull over, your nuts! The helicopters can't even catch us. The bikes are faster than the police copters and not enough resources. I guess when you start really thinking about it, the problem is pretty serious-- huh?

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You're correct! Even with the electronic speed limiter, most choppers can't match the Hayabusa's 186 MPH! The only chance a chopper has is cutting corners, and traffic and road conditions to slow the road racers.

Anywho, how many times is a chopper even close enough to do you any good anyway?

The problem is serious because when mr road racer crashes--and he always does (sooner or later)--someone always gets killed. Usually, it's some innocent party.

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Please read this post: http://www.bmwlt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16317
And note the reason the bike is being sold.
If you take your bike to France, where do you hang the backup lights from?!

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." (Some really OLD friggin' White dude who couldn't have possibly known what he was talking about!) WARNING: Official HATE speech!
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