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Unhappy Deal's Gap . . . in the dark!

Due to some inclimate weather (both leaving Cleveland last Thursday, and riding through almost 500 miles of rain), I ended up having to ride through Deal's Gap in the dark. Not fun! I can't imagine Yellow Wolf riding the Dragon for 24 hours straight...especially during the night time hours.
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Due to some inclimate weather (both leaving Cleveland last Thursday, and riding through almost 500 miles of rain), I ended up having to ride through Deal's Gap in the dark. Not fun! I can't imagine Yellow Wolf riding the Dragon for 24 hours straight...especially during the night time hours.

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Due to some inclimate weather (both leaving Cleveland last Thursday, and riding through almost 500 miles of rain), I ended up having to ride through Deal's Gap in the dark. Not fun! I can't imagine Yellow Wolf riding the Dragon for 24 hours straight...especially during the night time hours.
Also heard he did 100 runs to 'be sure'. Pit-stops?
None of the math makes sense, I'll leave it at that and hope nobody gets killed trying to do one better.....

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Sure it's much more fun in the daylight, but serious LD riders learn to be just as comfortable at night. It's all about preparation, proper riding gear, and proper lights on the bike.

During the Cal24 Rally I ran a long section of Highway 36 at night, as well as other small two-lane roads up into Mt. Lassen and down through Susanville towards Reno. I'd love to do those roads again in the daylight, but that ride had different goals and therefore different requirements.

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Sure it's much more fun in the daylight, but serious LD riders learn to be just as comfortable at night.
Few are at your level Ken. It must be great to be you.
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Also heard he did 100 runs to 'be sure'. Pit-stops?
None of the math makes sense, I'll leave it at that and hope nobody gets killed trying to do one better.....

Just because you don't think it can be done, doesn't mean it isn't within someone else's capabilities. The ride was witnessed by several reputable folks. I'll leave it at that....

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Also heard he did 100 runs to 'be sure'. Pit-stops?
None of the math makes sense, I'll leave it at that and hope nobody gets killed trying to do one better.....
41.66 MPH average for a 1000 in 24, I havn;t looked into this furhter, but I wonder exactly where his turn around points were

regardless it was some serious riding

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Few are at your level Ken. It must be great to be you.
I don't know, been there done that, I wouldn't say it was great. But I did have a strange urge to paint my M/C mauve and take off the mirrors afterwards.

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Sure it's much more fun in the daylight, but serious LD riders learn to be just as comfortable at night. It's all about preparation, proper riding gear, and proper lights on the bike.

During the Cal24 Rally I ran a long section of Highway 36 at night, as well as other small two-lane roads up into Mt. Lassen and down through Susanville towards Reno. I'd love to do those roads again in the daylight, but that ride had different goals and therefore different requirements.

Ken you ever ride Deals Gap? let alone at night?, I have rode it a bunch during the day and several times at night.

It's pretty wicked at night. it's a lot of work during the day to try and make time on it. although I am a florida boy soooo....

I got to say the fellow worked at this one pretty good even though it only takes 41.66 mph for 14 hours

I'm sure it wasn't raining! well i hope it wasn't anyhow!



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Just because you don't think it can be done, doesn't mean it isn't within someone else's capabilities. The ride was witnessed by several reputable folks. I'll leave it at that....
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Where did you come up with "Just because you don't think it can be done"? I absolutely know it is possible.
Have you ridden the dragon, battled the c/rockets, in the rain?
Who were the folks that stayed up 24 hours to watch?
BTW was this done on a weekend?
Wasn't looking for an argument, and if proven 100% valid, will go down as a truly amazing accomplishment! No need for sarcasm.

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41.66 MPH average for a 1000 in 24, I havn;t looked into this furhter, but I wonder exactly where his turn around points were

regardless it was some serious riding
I'm with you on that! Ever see his pegs...full tilt boggy and deep! He sure can handle that Wing!
What's the current speed record? Some guy said 11:53 another 13:10? So thats over 60 mph (on a Crotch Rocket)
I'm guessing the turn around was at the overlook (not the official dragon end) and Deals Gap Store.
Hell I get dizzy running it 2 times in a row!

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I'm with you on that! Ever see his pegs...full tilt boggy and deep! He sure can handle that Wing!
What's the current speed record? Some guy said 11:53 another 13:10? So thats over 60 mph (on a Crotch Rocket)
I'm guessing the turn around was at the overlook (not the official dragon end) and Deals Gap Store.
Hell I get dizzy running it 2 times in a row!
There is another one on a wing as well rides a blue wing that fellow can ride that wing, his pegs are cut in half as well, asked him if he wanted to race the gap one time, in reverse (I know my lt was faster than a wing in reverse (yea me and a friend were bored one day)

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IIRC, the turn around points were Deal's Gap on the southern end and turnouts at the north end before you dropt down to the lake.

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I had to change mine once after it!

there was a awesome dirt access road that went from the back of cades cove and came out in the middle of the gap, it's closed off now as they will not repair it. that was a great road!

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the gap is 11 miles long but most people that ride it turn around at the overlook which is 9.44 miles"longer if you figure my u-turns and gas stops"!!!!

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I had to change mine once after it!

there was a awesome dirt access road that went from the back of cades cove and came out in the middle of the gap, it's closed off now as they will not repair it. that was a great road!

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That would be the Parsons Branch Road - didn't know it was closed all the time now. Great road.

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I don't know, been there done that, I wouldn't say it was great. But I did have a strange urge to paint my M/C mauve and take off the mirrors afterwards.
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Due to some inclimate weather (both leaving Cleveland last Thursday, and riding through almost 500 miles of rain), I ended up having to ride through Deal's Gap in the dark. Not fun! I can't imagine Yellow Wolf riding the Dragon for 24 hours straight...especially during the night time hours.
Zat's cuz you ride a cafe racer and not the ultimate riding thingie, the LT. The LT has superior lighting, yes even stock! The GPS is linked to the the Moronic computer, which in turn "learns" the route, including every turn, how much braking is necessary, and it will roll the throttle up and down as needed. All you have to do is turn on the cruise control!
Et voila! A Dragon in the box!
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Zat's cuz you ride a cafe racer and not the ultimate riding thingie, the LT. The LT has superior lighting, yes even stock! The GPS is linked to the the Moronic computer, which in turn "learns" the route, including every turn, how much braking is necessary, and it will roll the throttle up and down as needed. All you have to do is turn on the cruise control!
Et voila! A Dragon in the box!
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Did you happen to be sitting on a pen, or your keys, or something when you typed that one?!

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Deals Gap in the dark....NO PROBLEM, try the million dollar highway from Montrose, CO to Durango,CO in the dark. YEEEEEHAAAAAA the wife and I rode it a couple of summers ago. arrived Durango after midnight.

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Sure it's much more fun in the daylight, but serious LD riders learn to be just as comfortable at night. It's all about preparation, proper riding gear, and proper lights on the bike.

During the Cal24 Rally I ran a long section of Highway 36 at night, as well as other small two-lane roads up into Mt. Lassen and down through Susanville towards Reno. I'd love to do those roads again in the daylight, but that ride had different goals and therefore different requirements.
Joe:

I've ridden the Dragon dozens of times but only once after dark. It is definately a challenge at night. Made me wish I was driving a Tucker!

Ken:

If a LD rider is just as comfortable after dark, he has some mental issues. I'm running HID's along with Hella Micro DE's, alos HID's. Two years ago I hit at deer at 75MPH after dark. I wasn't comfortable before that night and even less since. Thankfully I was more fortunate than Larry Grodsky (sp) but eight broken ribs, broken shoulder, broken collarbone, broken right foot and a ruptured spleen helped me "see the light."

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I wonder if there's a room large enough to contain Floyd's and Ken's egos simultaneously? Hhmmn... Kinda doubt it. Between Ken's international riding experience, and now that Floyd is a know-it-all MSF instructor . . . there isn't anything that these two guys can't do. We all bow down at your collective greatness.
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Whatever happened to the new, more mellow Joe? That sure didn't last long.

Yes, I've ridden the Dragon, on Barbara no less. It was fun, and I'd love to do it again on my own bike, but haven't yet had the opportunity.

As for ego, that's not the issue. I ride within my own comfort level. That may differ from someone else's; so be it. I don't recommend learning to ride in L.A. traffic, but it does prepare you well for whatever else you may encounter later. I don't consider myself special for having ridden in multiple countries and continents, just lucky to have had those opportunities. And I always wait up at major intersections when riding with a group, because that's just courteous. Whatever happens between the intersections is up to the individual riders.

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Dick, maybe just as comfortable isn't quite the right choice of words. But I know riders who are plain scared to ride at night. I don't think that's healthy either.

Biking is about knowing the risks, taking steps to minimize them, and enjoying the ride regardless. There will always be the unknown or unexpected, but it sure beats hiding at home where it's "safe".

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Sure it's much more fun in the daylight, but serious LD riders learn to be just as comfortable at night. It's all about preparation, proper riding gear, and proper lights on the bike.

During the Cal24 Rally I ran a long section of Highway 36 at night, as well as other small two-lane roads up into Mt. Lassen and down through Susanville towards Reno. I'd love to do those roads again in the daylight, but that ride had different goals and therefore different requirements.
Agreed. I don't find night riding to be an issue which is good since very few of my rides are short enough to pull over with less than a 16 hour day. I admit I felt different before installing the HID kit. I do save peg scrapping for day light though.
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I've ridden the Dragon dozens of times but only once after dark. It is definately a challenge at night. Made me wish I was driving a Tucker!

Ken:

If a LD rider is just as comfortable after dark, he has some mental issues. I'm running HID's along with Hella Micro DE's, alos HID's. Two years ago I hit at deer at 75MPH after dark. I wasn't comfortable before that night and even less since. Thankfully I was more fortunate than Larry Grodsky (sp) but eight broken ribs, broken shoulder, broken collarbone, broken right foot and a ruptured spleen helped me "see the light."

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I wonder if there's a room large enough to contain Floyd's and Ken's egos simultaneously? Hhmmn... Kinda doubt it. Between Ken's international riding experience, and now that Floyd is a know-it-all MSF instructor . . . there isn't anything that these two guys can't do. We all bow down at your collective greatness.
Seems somebody said it aint bragging if ya done it. whats ego got to do with it?

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Due to some inclimate weather (both leaving Cleveland last Thursday, and riding through almost 500 miles of rain), I ended up having to ride through Deal's Gap in the dark. Not fun! I can't imagine Yellow Wolf riding the Dragon for 24 hours straight...especially during the night time hours.
WOW! That's the best 11 miles I've ever heard about. Nice web site. Wonder if we have anything like that closer to Cali?

Now, about those 500 miles in the rain......

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There are thousands of miles of great roads in California, many the equal of the Dragon or anything Europe has to offer. Start at Pashnit and go from there.

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Well, I guess a man really does have to know his limitations! Call me a pussy.

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There are thousands of miles of great roads in California, many the equal of the Dragon or anything Europe has to offer. Start at Pashnit and go from there.
Outstanding! Thanks, Ken.

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Seems somebody said it aint bragging if ya done it. whats ego got to do with it?
Well, I changed it just a little......

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Ego isn't the issue, it's just jealousy.
And I keep trying to tell you...there's no need for you to be jealous of my GT. You can buy one some day . . . some year . . . some decade. Maybe.
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WOW! That's the best 11 miles I've ever heard about. Nice web site. Wonder if we have anything like that closer to Cali?

Now, about those 500 miles in the rain......
Sure! Come to Colorado - we have tons of great roads that make the Dragon pale in comparison.

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Sure! Come to Colorado - we have tons of great roads that make the Dragon pale in comparison.
Next April, I'm riding out to the left coast. I'm hoping (if our schedules work) that I can swing on into Golden, CO for a tour of those roads. If that doesn't work, maybe right before or right after CCR.
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Next April, I'm riding out to the left coast. I'm hoping (if our schedules work) that I can swing on into Golden, CO for a tour of those roads. If that doesn't work, maybe right before or right after CCR.
Hummmm, Golden, CO - that could also be a tour of the Coors Brewery!! If not the beer, worth the stop.

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Hummmm, Golden, CO - that could also be a tour of the Coors Brewery!! If not the beer, worth the stop.

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You're suggesting to a Guinness drinker to tour the Coors Brewery?! Hhmmn... Not bloody likely. But, we'll see what the tour guide has to say.
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That brings back memories. I've got video of my wife stumbling out of there drunk from the after tour tasting. I think they only allowed 2 or 3 drinks, but she hadn't eaten and those new at the time Zimas were potent and she isn't a big drinker anyway. Funny stuff.


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....I don't recommend learning to ride in L.A. traffic, but it does prepare you well for whatever else you may encounter later....
I wonder if it prepares us for those deer strikes outside SO CA?

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WOW! Maybe I better stay in Cali?!....

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And I keep trying to tell you...there's no need for you to be jealous of my GT. You can buy one some day . . . some year . . . some decade. Maybe.
I don't know, Joe.... Not everyone can ride a GT!

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Next April, I'm riding out to the left coast. I'm hoping (if our schedules work) that I can swing on into Golden, CO for a tour of those roads. If that doesn't work, maybe right before or right after CCR.
Sounds like a plan to me! I would suggest later in the year though - we still have lots of sand on the roads in April. Nothing sucks the joy out of a good ride like a blind corner filled with sand, ya know? Come out early for CCR and you can lead us to MO, O Great One!

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That brings back memories. I've got video of my wife stumbling out of there drunk from the after tour tasting. I think they only allowed 2 or 3 drinks, but she hadn't eaten and those new at the time Zimas were potent and she isn't a big drinker anyway. Funny stuff.


Go on Joe, it won't kill you to try the mountain spring water
When I was in high school we would ditch school and take the "short tour", straight to the tasting lounge. We did a fair amount of stumbling out of there too!

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Yes, I've ridden the Dragon, on Barbara no less. It was fun, and I'd love to do it again on my own bike, but haven't yet had the opportunity.
Well it is fun for sure, as long as you are not there on a weekend, traffic isn't bad and there are no semi's coming through.

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